Reasons To Believe

reply to post by davesidious

You can believe whatever irrational feel-good fluffy nonsense you want, but don't bother trying to convince someone of said nonsense. It just makes you look like a desperate fool. Which I'm sure you're not.

Why thank you, I think.
You see Dave I'm not trying to convince you of anything. That would just be nieve to say the least. You come on to thread after thread spouting slanderisms and making all these untrue
statements by way of ignorence towards something others have respect for.
Then on top of it no one should try and get a rise out of you for being unnecessarily abrasive. I got news for you pard. That isn't the real world
your live'in in. You can do better then all that crap I hope.
It's not even impressive at all. In fact it's a handicapp. Why do you
want to go around saying things that will make one person dislike you?
I can't fathom it.

reply to post by Conclusion


A well researched and thought out post/thread. I dont know why I didnt see the light earlier.

"Mindless obedience is a fickle gift to the creator of the mind."
Personally, I beleive that religion destroys spirituality and is a detriment to the human race with it's outdated values. God is the communication between conscious beings-love and love should not be distorted or twisted through human manipulation.
This is all my personal belief and opinion and i have zero evidence to back it up.

[edit on 22-2-2010 by whitezombie93]

I grew up Christian and just within the past few years have decided it was never the right path for me. I agree with the other posters who have mentioned hypocrisy, legalism, judgmentality, double standards, etc are highly prevelant in Christian religion. But I CHOOSE not to be Christian not because I have been burned by Christians for the majority of my life, but because I do not believe in the institutions of organized religions.

That's not to say I don't believe in a higher power. But I don't think "God" would want us to be so divided as humans, each picking and chosing a different religion based on such minute differences. The Bible is widely open to interpretation. If "God" had wanted this for us, shouldn't the Bible be much more understandable and clear cut? (I'm not talking about the differences between the OT and NT, I'm talking about how every different denomination has a different interpretation.)

Religion is supposed to unite, but all I have ever see it do is divide.

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by Conclusion

 

I don't believe because I know it's ridiculous to base one's view of the universe and infinity on a self-contradicting, frequently-inaccurate, allegorical bronze-age farmer's manual.

The allegorical bronze-age farmer's manual set Karen Kingston free from evil spirits. See the true and scientific deliverance of Karen Kingston from evil spirits here:
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The book is called, "The devil and Karen Kingston".

Originally posted by UnityFT
I grew up Christian and just within the past few years have decided it was never the right path for me. I agree with the other posters who have mentioned hypocrisy, legalism, judgmentality, double standards, etc are highly prevelant in Christian religion. But I CHOOSE not to be Christian not because I have been burned by Christians for the majority of my life, but because I do not believe in the institutions of organized religions.

That's not to say I don't believe in a higher power. But I don't think "God" would want us to be so divided as humans, each picking and chosing a different religion based on such minute differences. The Bible is widely open to interpretation. If "God" had wanted this for us, shouldn't the Bible be much more understandable and clear cut? (I'm not talking about the differences between the OT and NT, I'm talking about how every different denomination has a different interpretation.)

Religion is supposed to unite, but all I have ever see it do is divide.

Don't leave Christianity because of the people. It's a relationship with Christ, not religion. Just follow Jesus and you can't grow wrong. I hate religion also. All those man-made rules.

What always saddened me was how ignorant Xtians are of the bible. Most have never read it. Their "facts" oareoften wrong - like the number of the beast. They fail to realise that the authors thought the end of the world would happen in their lifetimes etc etc. I do not have the time to compile the full list off their zany thoughts. Now I understand that the latest film on Darwin cannot get a general release in the USA lest it is upset the creationists.

Yet I defend their right to be ignorant. They would never offer me the same courtesy. Xtian charity is a myth. Their minds are closed.

And what about Leviticus?? What a trip that book is.

T

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Tiger5]

It's not about disbelievers have stopped looking, it's that they KNOW FOR FACT

Most bibles are a KING JAMES VERSION (as in an 'interpretation' by a 'king' of the original script.... also lots of words get lost in translation). Now lets see..... Conspiracy Forum + The Word of The Powers That Be = Water and Oil

More original manuscripts of the bible have been found (dead sea scrolls being one set) but no changes to the bible's text. Actually, I don't think we've ever been told what’s on those scrolls.... although they are biblical in significance.

It's a book of compiled stories to give some explanation as to why we are here (just like ALL other religions have). And like all stories they an important lesson behind every episode.

In my opinion God has as much credibility as Aliens.....

* Only a select few people have seen or talked to them (and half the conversations took place in their minds).
* They both can see our inner desires (God and it's ok, Aliens get the tin foil hat).
* anytime someone sees a 'weird' light its either or
* They both supposedly have great wisdom they are unwilling to share with humanity. (and the bible doesn't count, it was written by man)
* Which ever one comes to light first will be the deemed the creators of man (Insta-man or Genmodified-man).
* Which ever one comes first will be idolized by man (God because he's god & aliens for their tech).
* They have big heads (HAHAHaHaHah...ah)


Me.. I could care less if either one was true or false.

Neither one has given a lasting moral (or ethical) impact to this planet and the 'bad' people are still allowed to roam around causing havoc.

And I want nothing to do with a higher power that stands by and watches (for example) one man kill and/or rape 1000 women, children, and babies. And then forgives all, because the d00sh bag said I believe in Jesus, please forgive me..... Makes me sick to know there is a god like that.


Congratulations on a great topic.... you got me spewing more then I wanted to.... back to work...

reply to post by UnityFT


Bible can only be independently understood internally (it interprets itself)
the simple 5,000 word (Heb-Gr) vocabulary is amazingly all comprehensive,
but our million strong crossword diction of interchangable terms thesaurus
has complicated the individual interpretations of lifetimes in monasteries
as people follow persons for positions with them and power over other people,

so long as they are looking to eachother they cannot see the LORD and GOD.

reply to post by Conclusion


I can understand where he's coming from. An omnipitent being would not be able to present it's prescence, let alone it's word, as a simple human would not be able to comprehend. Remember, we are nothing but ants on an isolated island amidst a sea of ignorance and rationality.

reply to post by spaz490


No we cannot fathom God because our minds will not allow us to comprehend a power so great. Only when we die and our spirit departs from these confines of flesh will we be able to understand God. You mentioned that the Gospels were written long after Christ's death, this is true, and I am not trying to sway you or preach to you, but there is a book called "The Case for Christ" that explains a great deal about this matter. It was written by a man who was an athiest, and he is totally unbiased in his writing (He was a reporter for an upstanding newspaper)
If anything it's a very interesting read.
While I don't claim to follow the Bible word for word, no one can because no one is perfect. One more thing, yes Christians do pray to Jesus. The bible explains the Trinity, The Father the Son and the Holy Ghost. Imagine a three sided coin, though there is a different image on each side, it is still a coin. That is how the Trinity works. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same 'coin' but with different images so to speak. Anyway, I hope maybe some of the things I mentioned gave you some insight! I wish you peace and Love in your endevors.

reply to post by daptodave


Lol. I do love sarcasm.

reply to post by DasAlteLeid


No one can follow the bible word for word because it contradicts itself.

Originally posted by whitezombie93
"Mindless obedience is a fickle gift to the creator of the mind."
Personally, I beleive that religion destroys spirituality and is a detriment to the human race with it's outdated values. God is the communication between conscious beings-love and love should not be distorted or twisted through human manipulation.
This is all my personal belief and opinion and i have zero evidence to back it up.

[edit on 22-2-2010 by whitezombie93]

I know exactly what you mean about religion. Religion is just a word that groups all beliefs into one genre. We know how separate they are.

When it comes to love you cannot distort it at all. Just the thought of distorting love makes love disappear. So it can never be distorted. If you mean that using someone else's love to fool them, then yes. That can be done.

Outdated value? I am not so sure I agree with that. Jesus preached love and peace. If you ask me, those values could do a world of good in this world. The values that were in place in Israel, at that time, were of Roman influence. Do you agree with the roman values?

reply to post by Tiger5

What always saddened me was how ignorant Xtians are of the bible. Most have never read it. Their "facts" oareoften wrong - like the number of the beast. They fail to realise that the authors thought the end of the world would happen in their lifetimes etc etc. I do not have the time to compile the full list off their zany thoughts. Now I understand that the latest film on Darwin cannot get a general release in the USA lest it is upset the creationists.

Yes. Christians should read and understand the Bible. Whether most reads them or not is an over dramatic characterization that I am not qualified to answer. Please use substantiated facts when making an assumption. The same kind of facts that you demand of Christians. As far as the authors thinking it was the end times is not a mystery to anyone who reads the Bible. Jesus said himself that He did not know. They were living like it was the end times because Jesus said to be prepared.
As far as Evolution, there are just as many holes in its theory that you claim of be Bible.

Yet I defend their right to be ignorant. They would never offer me the same courtesy. Xtian charity is a myth. Their minds are closed.

Well let me be the first to defend your right to be ignorant. (Sorry that one was just to easy. lol) You have the right of free will. Do you know the meaning of the word Charity? It means love. Most Christians that I have met shows love more than most of the non-Christians that I have met. Not all. But most. That says something to me. As for Christian minds being closed....When you know the truth then there is only one path you will follow. The path you think will most likely take you there.

And what about Leviticus?? What a trip that book is.

Yeah. That is when the Lord spoke to Moses out of the tabernacle of the congregation. I agree. Good book.


[edit on 25-2-2010 by Conclusion]

reply to post by FORMe2p00p0n


Hmmm. Well thank you for your reply. (Thinking to self) I wonder what he is going to say to Jesus when it's his turn.

Him- Do you know how much I hate you?!

Jesus- Why? What did I do to you? You had your chance. You knew of me and did not believe.

Him- Yeah, but you died 2 thousand years ago. And men wrote the Bible not you.

Jesus- If you would have read, what you call the bible, you would have known of me. Those men who wrote the bible where my witness's.

Him- Well there was not enough proof.

Jesus- Now you have all the proof you need. You was told about me and you did not believe. I came to you and you would not here me.

OR

Him- Do you know how much I hate you?!

Jesus- Depart from me ye worker of iniquity. I knew ye not.

Originally posted by TheReaver
reply to post by Conclusion

 

I can understand where he's coming from. An omnipitent being would not be able to present it's prescence, let alone it's word, as a simple human would not be able to comprehend. Remember, we are nothing but ants on an isolated island amidst a sea of ignorance and rationality.

You forgot to add all powerful, which would allow you to do anything you want. It is true that we cannot understand God in all his glory, but he does give us glances here and there. We are more than ants. We are the saved. You can live in your world, I will live in mine.

reply to post by davesidious

No one can follow the bible word for word because it contradicts itself.

Tell me what the contradictions are. Please have proof of this contradiction you are talking about.

reply to post by Conclusion


Sure! The bible is rotten with contradictions. It's almost as if, shock! horror!, the bible was written by a bunch of different guys years apart, and was not the word of god. Either that or god is flawed, and we know that can't be.

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by Conclusion

 

Sure! The bible is rotten with contradictions. It's almost as if, shock! horror!, the bible was written by a bunch of different guys years apart, and was not the word of god. Either that or god is flawed, and we know that can't be.

You have not even read the bible. Lol. I will call you the Accuser. You have no substantiated evidence nor did you give any evidence. LOL. You don't know what you speak of, so I forgive you. Learn a lot more about the Bible. Put some reasonable (good luck lol) contradictions together, then present them here with a debatable question. Now it's time for the adults to talk. Nighty, night.