Reasons To Believe

This is my last post here, means I wont even bother reading the purile trash you'll vomit out after this.

You're a fake. You're one of those false Christians who like to inflame people and make the religion even WORSE. You're in every sense of the word (except mebbe the 'paid by the govt' part) a provocateur. You PROVOKE. You poke, you prod, you get your jollies, and then... Who knows.

It's 'people' like you who make Christianity a target.

ok ByeBye Wyleskat. Try to love life.
In need of a serious personality overhaul.
Or a labotemy or something.


You bring the heads of dead kings to my city steps!

You insult my God.

Then you accuse me of provoking you?

I have chosen my words well.

Perhaps you should have done the same?

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reply to post by Mykahel


Again with the sympathy!! Sheesh. Oh thats right..you care about my soul, dont you? Ive never seen my soul. Have you?

Missionaries in other countries. They do it for the sense of adventure and wonder-lust. To get out of the responsibility of making things better in thier own country. Yeah..lets go postulize the ignorant tribal peoples of the world.
Dude or Mam, if you were what you say you are then you wouldnt be on ATS because as you know Light and Dark cant dwell together and all you are doing is casting your pearls before the Swine.

You know what else is a shame? This web-site and my college are the only places I am allowed to be myself without loosing something that I love. Everyone I love are believers in this faith of which we speak, and if I dont go along and pretend to agree with them, eventually I will be disowned or shamed. How does that follow anything but closed mindedness and intolerance, which both lead to ignorance. Also I am forced to watch my children be brainwashed by a cult and theres not a thing I can do about it because I love them and dont want them to be ripped apart this early in life. The only comfort I find is that someday they WILL learn the true nature of things, and be able to choose for themselves the path that they will follow.


Oh and before you can say it ..I know it also says that even Satan knows thew scripture.

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reply to post by Conclusion


If you think the bible is true, and that Yahweh made the earth etc, (aka creationism), then how do you explain evolution? If life evolved, and we're all realated, then how can you still think we were made as we look today? (a few thousand years ago)



When evidence shows clrealy how things work, why do you ignore it?

This is what you believe:
You think that populations change over time, but only by a little due to a barrier or limit that stops populations from diverging too much. A barrier is the only thing that could explain microevolution occurring while macroevolution does not.

You say that species are stopped from diverging too much, so that they remain similar in "kind". I assume you have evidence to show since you believe this.



What i want to know from you christians is;
What makes it impossible for a species to diverge so much, that a new species arises? Wolves and foxes are evidence for macro evolution, yet you ignore and deny this fact.


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reply to post by Conclusion


Well thank you so very much for being at piece with my descision, as now I can get on with my daily activities that are no doubt leading me to a firey pit filled with eternal lamentations and knashing of teeth.

I would like to thank Mykahel for showing the kind of restraint in answering questions that I would love to have. lol. He has been as clear and concise with all his answers.


Well done indeed.

reply to post by psyko45


Not necessarily. Something seems to be in the works for you. You may very well be the last one.

reply to post by psyko45


You make valid points, and I myself have used those same terms upon leaving other threads as people simply demonstrated that they had rejected the word to a point where I was "casting my pearls before the swine."

I often refer to the command given to the disciples in Luke 9:4-6

4Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that town. 5If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them." 6So they set out and went from village to village, preaching the gospel and healing people everywhere.

As far as fellowship, there is a fine line between taking the light to the darkness and dwelling within it and accepting it yourself. It can be very hard to distinguish sometimes. If we had to remove ourselves from fellowship with the darkness entirely, we would have to remove ourselves from the world. Our fellowship is more under scrutiny based on who we accept as a fellow believer (not based on what they have done but what they continue to do). How can we be the image of Christ if we are corrupt. You know very well that we cannot and that is why our church is seen in such a disdainful way. Not always because we claim the truth, but because we have become weak in discipline and have accepted evil as being ok since we are forgiven.


1 Corinthians 5:9-11
9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

reply to post by Daniem


I think the main argument there is that we don't see the in-between phases of any of this Macro-evolution. I am not well versed in these studies and only have opinions so I won't say much for now.

Survival of the fittest does not mean that every stage in between now and when we were whatever science has decided for the moment would have been killed off over time. Would not everything that was a more primitive version of ourselves have been killed off by the new and improved versions? I would say that DNA is what allows for micro-evolution./adaption but is also the very boundary that exists to prevent macro-evolution.

Again, my opinion and not much more on this topic.

reply to post by Conclusion


Thank you.

In order to make this not a one-line response, I'll also say that I am leaving for now, gotta get workin. I'll be back in a while to see if there are any other questions or points to discuss/argue/rip hair out over.

Originally posted by vkturbo
reply to post by Nichiren

 

to all that seem to be against there being a god or Christianity can you tell me what you believe in.

This is a very loaded question and I will try to answer it as best as I can with just a few words.

I practice Nichiren-Buddhism. I seem to have an affinity towards that practice. I use it for maintaining my mental health and balance. The practice doesn't "need" a belief system. I.e. you don't need to "believe" in a toothbrush to know that your dental health will benefit from it.

Re "God": Nichiren Buddhism doesn't address that question. It alludes to a "Mystic Law" that governs everything, but doesn't try to explain it. All religions that personify "God" run into enormous problems that need lengthy explanations and then resort to what I call "supernatural logic". The Trinity problem in Christianity would be a good example for that.

I believe that "God" cannot be explained. It is total consciousness that is beyond what our grey matter is capable of grasping. Do I believe in Darwinism? Yes! Do I believe that it explains the purpose of life? No!

Did anyone know they found chariot parts at the bottom of the red sea? Did you know there is a documentary on the exodus chapter and they walked the full length of it and there is a lot of evidence still there today that collaborates with what is written in the bible.

I don't see your point here. Storms happen and sink ships with cargo. Yes, Jewish history did happen.

No i'm not a Christian I've been looking at a lot of things and this is starting to be the only reason as evolution has no real basis especially when when the main thing for evolution is fossils now before you reply find out how they find the age of those fossils then find out how they find out how old the soil is they come from. Yes i have just answered half of the question

If you answered 50%, you're surely able to answer the rest by yourself.

reply to post by Mykahel


Even the most terrible quality diamond will sparkle in a mud-puddle. I dont say that because I believe you to be of terrible quality but to illustrate the fact that I believe your intentions are good and selfless. Still it is not a discipline that I feel any commitment to. Unfortunately the "christian mega corp" uses folks like yourself that are probably very good and honest to further thier agenda. I dont hold that against you personally. Alot of people who experience untolerable pain and cruelty (ie.war) find comfort and peace within the embrace of religion and faith. Also this I hold against no-one. But as another user stated last night in another thread I was on...Ask the generals at Nuremburg how they felt about blindly following orders right before the floor dropped from beneath thier feet.

reply to post by Conclusion


Yea theres something in the works alright. I just had taco bell.

I may be the last one of what..science minded people, people with a little bit of very hard earned common sense?

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Originally posted by wylekat
This is my last post here, means I wont even bother reading the purile trash you'll vomit out after this.

You're a fake. You're one of those false Christians who like to inflame people and make the religion even WORSE. You're in every sense of the word (except mebbe the 'paid by the govt' part) a provocateur. You PROVOKE. You poke, you prod, you get your jollies, and then... Who knows.

It's 'people' like you who make Christianity a target.

For some reason i just love this guy. lol. You see the way you feel right now. How I made you feel to be exact. That is how you make Christians feel every time you try ridicule, poke fun, and just be mean. I guess you just ran into the wrong believer. God knows I am not perfect and I will not act like I am. I have my flaws also, as everyone is able to see.

You see though I am a different breed. I have spent my youth in your world learning your ways. When I confront you with your attitude you call me fake. lol. That says it all. Since you will not be reading what this provocateur, as you call it, will say then I have the last word.

You my friend are everything you have accused me of being. But....you only want to provoke a Christian who is warm and kind and does not wish to offend your tender senses. Only when someone throws your ridicules back in your face will you turn tale and run.

Like the old saying goes---IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT---well your already out of the kitchen now...

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reply to post by psyko45

Ask the generals at Nuremburg how they felt about blindly following orders right before the floor dropped from beneath thier feet.

Necromancy

Big no no 45, not good.

You my friend are everything you have accused me of being. But....you only want to provoke a Christian who is warm and kind and does not wish to offend your tender senses. Only when someone throws your ridicules back in your face will you turn tale and run.

So then I'll do the mop"in up ok OP

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reply to post by Daniem


I can tell you how God did it.

God created the heavens and earth. The first thing God did was to create the elements for life.

-God created existence by compressing energy. "God created the Heavens and earth".

-Life started after God was done creating. After the compression stops.

-Life began when existence started to expand.

-Evolution fits very well into Gods creation.

What dont fit in so well is that we dont understand what we read.


When god created the Heavens. What this means is that God created a space between him self and he's creation.
Light and the different stages of emitted energies create the space between God and his creation. Its science all of it.

Why: because existence must be in the middle of the infinite energy. And finite energies emit energy. Creating a space between God "pure energy" and the finite existence.

So evolution of life starts when the expansion begins.

Infinite pure energy must have a IQ much higher then ours. Because we are only a specific Finite combination of energies. That to is science. So if a finite combination of energy has a IQ dont you think A Infinite amount of energy would have a intelligence?

God knew exactly how much he had to compress he's energy to create the life he wanted.







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Originally posted by Mykahel
reply to post by ImaNutter

 

To your question: Who was inspired by God? The original writers, the men at the Council of Nicaea, or the bishops/whoever it was that King James hired? Was it all three?

I personally would say that it was only the original authors that were inspired by God. Those who canonized the Bible and translated it at later dates may have been exercising gifts given them by God, but I do not necessarily believe that they were inspired as well. Convenient? Yea, I suppose it is, as it lets me say that all the errors in translation are just our fault while maintaining the pure message of the originals.

Fair enough response (don't forget the books left out, not just the translational errors). I guess that's why it's called a "faith."

Since you and I were only ever taught from one of these edited Bibles... everything we knew/learned about God came from this Bible... what makes you believe what you learned about God from this book is accurate?

Originally posted by Conclusion
lol. Now that is true comedic gold my friend. By what you just said....everything that has existed came first from the mouth of a man. I guess we should dismiss everything by your reasoning.

SURVEY SAYS!! oh thats what the buzzer sounds like.

Incorrectomundo. I said YOUR, MINE, and EVERYONE ELSES understanding of God came from the teaching of a 50 times edited collection of writings, by not divinely inspired bishops, who removed entire books, and edited it to fit neatly into the culture of the time. Sounds reliable, doesn't it?

Why do we know pi?
Why do we know gravity is 9.8 m/s ?
Why do we know grass is green?
Why do we know the sky is blue?
How are we born?

It's not because someone has to tell you these things, you do not need the word of man to know that these things are facts in our shared reality (although it speeds up the process).. they're observable, quantifiable, and can be substantiated with a great deal of proof, evidence, and logic.

God... not so much... and even less so, the Bible.

You're a funny dude.

I have a feeling should our conversation go any longer, we'll just disagree some more and tell the other that they're funny If you actually have something to say like Mykahell or could even take a stab at answering my questions, then by all means please reply.

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I'd like to point something out at this juncture... I'm a creationist :p

Without spending hours explaining why I believe this so, I'll just tell you that for me it is the only logical answer.

But I can not pretend to know who that creator is or what it should be called... and I'm always amazed at the ego of men who think they do... and those who trust so fervently, what I've got a Bible Scholar to admit, is a book with man's egotistical, power hungry, deceitful hands all over it.... far removed from any message that could have been there, if we were to believe there was one to begin with.

I'm willing to admit there are things we can not explain... and my ego is allowing me to say that origins of mankind is one those

Because there is no 'reason' in a reasonless universe without order. It reminds me of the Chaos Realm from Mortal Kombat, where there is absolutely no order; if God didn't exist, I'd imagine Earth and the universe being exactly like that.

reply to post by ImaNutter


Okay fair enough. No funny stuff now. I need to know an answer to a couple of questions first.

Do you believe in God?

Do you believe Christ is the Savior?

^^^^^ I believe we were created by a creator. Do I believe in this YHWH/GOD/EL/ELOHIM character whatever you want to call it from the abrahamic faiths? No.

And a big uuuuuuuuuuuuh no to the second question!

I have made it pretty clear that I don't trust what Constantine, King James, and all the people inbetween wanted me to read.

And why oh why sir, do you ask?

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