Rape? It's the fault of the victims, say 50 per cent of women

Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by Snarf

 

ya, there are, and ya know what, if they can't find you out there, they can just as easily kick in your door!

Ironically, it is more likely you will open the door, and in they come. For example, Dennis Rader, BTK, was a member of my church in Kansas (true!). I knew him for 13 years. If he had come to my door with his 'project' bag, I would have assumed he had church documents in there. I would have opened the door before I thought twice about it.

The best thing we can do is learn a few self defense moves, like the guys have been saying all along. No matter how frustrating it is that rapists still exist, they do, and they always will. The good guys can't make the bad guys not exist.

Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by Snarf

 

or..I could just carry a gun and blow the sob's head off!!!

Maybe you should. If he gets his head blown off, then hes responsible for trying to rape you. Just make sure you meet the requirements for being allowed to own a fire arm first...

but, well, some of yas are seeming to think that we women should just curtail our basic freedoms, like walking to a store...buying food for our families......because well, there's dangerous men in the world....
ya, there are, and ya know what, if they can't find you out there, they can just as easily kick in your door!

Actually, no. We don't. We do think you need to take caution in your life and protect yourself. And we think that if you don't do those two things and you allow something bad to happen to yourself, then you are responsible for what happened.

If you do everything you can to make sure nothing bad happens, and something bad does happen, then you are an innocent victim caught up in the wild storm and you have no blame.

But if you went looking for trouble & found it, then its your own damned fault.

Grow up and act like an adult.




Novacs4me said:

The best thing we can do is learn a few self defense moves, like the guys have been saying all along. No matter how frustrating it is that rapists still exist, they do, and they always will. The good guys can't make the bad guys not exist.

This is one of the most intelligent things said in the last several pages of this thread.

Thank you Im glad someone doesn't have their head up their you-know-what

[edit on 16-2-2010 by Snarf]

What a thread. Shudder. Applause. Tremble.


Once, a certain young woman told another older woman in a social setting that was becoming more intimate (deeper conversations, people opening up in a safe setting), that she had been raped, once when she was younger, once when she was in her late twenties. The older woman asked no questions, but sharply remarked, "Who hasn't been?"

A few thoughts:

Some of us women blame ourselves because it helps us to believe we can make choices that will make us safe. But they won't. They only make us safer, not safe. We are sensitive, and when we have to be constantly on guard against some unknown person, who will definitely be stronger, well, it wears on a girl...


We know it happens to nearly all of us, no matter who we are, no matter what we think or drive or how freaking careful we are. We could be pretty or ugly (subjective, and pointless, since every single person has a form that is attractive to a particular facet of the population, and unattractive to others), poor or rich, married or single, gay or straight, old, young, pregnant, half-dead, and even a rape victim trying to flag down some help only to be raped again by another opportunistic predator.

This drives us nuts on some level, I think, knowing there is no clear order to it. The only rules we know for sure are pretty hard-core, and require us, as modern citizens, to willingly imprison ourselves in a life the predator cannot easily reach. And that's still not entirely possible. We only can learn about the experiences of those who have suffered and survived, and try our very best not to be in "that" place, at "that" time, in "those" circumstances. That still doesn't work, but what can we do? Women need to feel secure. It's how we are who we are.

We have these types of rules for many unwholesome reasons - the ones about clothing is partially based on simple modesty, but very much based on the jealousy of some women towards the ones who are receiving more attention by unfair means (exposing more skin, shape, etc.).

So even though it's a healthy, decent practice to dress more conservatively, this would rule out things like bikinis, swimsuits, shorts, etc. Anytime we wear them, we are fair game, and should know we're asking for it?

It is certainly true that it's hard for some to have self-control, or to understand the limits of the control or awareness of the other sex.

But how many husbands don't want their wife to ever wear any swimsuit at the beach? Or a pretty dress that accentuates her shape and beauty? Because the jewel will shine too brightly, and someone will plan to take it for himself? To a certain extent, but one can see how this could fail. It bends to the rapist, and overlooks the mainstream culture, whether wrong or right in their choice of dress. It's not a reliable indicator anyway. What about babies who are raped? Old women?


These predators sometimes look for women who are not afraid of them at first glance or even over a period of time (similar to child predators grooming their victim). Some women aren't afraid because they never had a reason to be. No one warned them, because they were safe. Maybe they were women like the ones in the polls, who stepped on their broken and shamed sisters, and dug their heels in. Arrogant, judgmental, and utterly unwilling to share the least shred of mercy (free, by the way), they did not acknowledge the real dangers and ended up raped themselves. But then, some of them were not arrogant, not judgmental, and not unmerciful, and they also have been raped.

There are also such things as non-violent rapes. No one gets beaten, no one is threatened so much as the refusal is simply ignored. When the woman loses control over her physical condition, despite clearly refusing,it can be entirely unnerving, and she may freeze, I've heard it described as trying to scream but unable to get a breath, or make a sound out of sheer panic. What may have even begun as a romantic date may end up being a long-term, life-changing event, especially if she becomes pregnant, and is forced to make a whole set of decisions she had not bargained for.



Lack of fathers is a major key to this whole thing.

Men have been pushed to the sidelines by feminism, which honors every option a woman chooses, except marriage and family.

They have been pushed out by abortion. When a man wants to make a stand against abortion, he is attacked, marginalized, and mocked. Women who have been intimate with them turn and attack them, and all we hear about are her rights, but no one else's. Everyone should have rights, or no one does. Simple as that.

Men face as much emotional turmoil and stress as women, but have few socially acceptable ways to share their burdens. Most of those ways involve guys only, and it's often hard, especially for older men, to share their insides with anyone.

Furthermore men are obviously damaged and killed in war. We are so robbed, people, of our strongest earthly ally, when we lose or never have, good fathers.

It is he who gives security to the young girl, showing her what she is worth to him, thereby teaching her what real love is, and making her naturally drawn to a man that protects and adores her like her father. If her father is good, she will, in her maturity, usually choose a man like him. Even though it doesn't always happen, it is what can happen - more often than we have today.

Many women are also cynical, and fatalistic, accepting it as inevitable, possibly to take away the dread or fear. Some even glamourize it, to take a form of control over it, IMO.

It's been around, and it's degraded more men and more women and more children for longer than we can even imagine. It's hurt, and multiplied it by generations.
We humans not only live with the realities of rape, we and the forces shaping our lives are often its products in so, so many ways.

Sometimes we just don't know it's coming, and we're not "careful," but there is NEVER justification. The predator rapist, especially, is always to blame, and should be imprisoned. If released, it should be under a special type of security, like a permanent lo-jack. With GPS and alerted communities, proven predators can be either locked up or closely managed in each and every single case. That would be a good and sane start. And more protection of girls and women, by boys and men who are good. Strong deterrent in many cases. Don't doubt it.

Originally posted by Snarf

Don't want to get raped? GOOD FOR YOU - now - don't expect the generosity and good will of others to keep you safe.

that's a realistic appraisal of the status quo. not much to add, society's tasks start and end with tax collection, right? i wonder how such a self destructive view could ever become a 'cool' thing. must have been that way in Japan during the interwar period when Bushido really took off...

Be responsible for yourself. If you refuse to look after yourself and your own well being, and go out to clubs dressed like a whore..
..

what? that's a non sequitur, repeated ad nauseum but still a non-sequitur.

most rapes among acquainted people? do you think he picked the day because of her outfit? in the proverbial dark alley type of attack, can clothing even realistically play a role?

in Saudi Arabia, the dress code is a little more stringent, but guess what?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

it doesn't help, as expected.

or, for kicks, a vastly different environment - the US army:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

kevlar armor on a woman is irresistible, i guess...


let me summarize all of this: stop with all the apologia just for a while and look what you wrote. this train of thought is repression, like it or not. which is as usual, disguised in 'caring' and 'understanding' words.

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Originally posted by dawnstar

part of growing up requires that kids get out from the watchful eyes of their parents, to decide how to react on their own to the world around them. to make stupid mistakes!! I walked home from kindergarden alone everyday!!
life must be lived!!
it's just easier to blame the women, the mother than it is to address the sickness that is in society and work to provide a safe environment to live that life!!!

exactly. first they lock them up as long as they can, drug them (read: ritalin, etc) if they don't follow their drill to the letter and when they face reality with close to zero experience and something goes wrong, the gloaters arrive en masse. of course preying on the weak has become almost a tradition nowadays, but i digress...

which brings me to the next point: recently, the following news appeared:

www.belowtopsecret.com...

A California high school student who police said was gang raped in a two-and-a-half-hour assault outside a homecoming dance remained hospitalized in stable condition Monday

Investigators said as many as 15 people, all males, stood around watching the assault, but did not call police or help the victim, a 15-year-old student at Richmond High School in suburban San Francisco.

"As people announced over time that this was going on, more people came to see, and some actually participated," Gagan said.

"This just gets worse and worse the more you dig into it," Gagan said. "It was like a horror movie...

participated?!

now that's news, isn't it? excuse me, but the pattern is obvious, whenever there is war, rape follows everywhere, take WW2 (both, pacific and european theaters), the Balkans during the 1990s and now (see link above) rape is about violence first and foremost (d'uh) it is dehumanizing and the perfect initiation rite for an authoritarian society. ie. it is a symptom of a larger problem, that's why it must be addressed as a mortal threat and that is why the topic here has 400+replies coincidentially, it's also the reason why muslims rape, be it in the shape of 'arranged' marriages (institutionalised rape) or pack rat hunting of f-ex. Australian women. these cultures are based on violence, a more or less obvious detail, which is so devastating that its mention is avoided like the plague by anything resembling the Media®. why, you ask, well, being a degenerate pig is considered the smart thing (as long as it works for you...), apparently and the difference between decency and worthlessness is measured in $$, 'score' (very appropriate in the context) and 'kills' (especially gangs, the army, etc). deny it all you wish.

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by riley

 

You are not telling anyone anything new !

Guess what ? We all know about 'genuine' rapes !

...

what is the purpose of your thread and your posts, my i ask? the title is about rape and what women who participated in a survey think about it. i see you find it brilliant if one carefully but insistingly advertises the (real or imagined) dressing issue for some time while criticizing female aberrations under the influence of alcohol, lack of self control and other blanket statements and stereotypes. which imho only reveal jaded personalities with an axe to grind, for whatever reason. The poll doesn't seem to include such a disclaimer in any case and therefore, it's likely that the people in question would answer the same way, whether the rape was genuine or made up. when real forcible rape is considered the victim's fault, by anyone, then we have a problem. that's what the thread should have been about, imho.

the acceptance or even endorsement of violence within a society reveals a paradigm shift, which is far from unprecedented in history and we know how it ends. if the trend continues, there won't be much if any difference between violent muslims and us (cosmetics aside). they will sense that, too and it probably emboldens them, being the 'wave of the future' and all.

welcome to the middle ages.

Originally posted by Snarf

She doesn't have to defend it any more than i'd have to defend my decision to walk down a dark alley flashing cash to all the hoodlums standing by.

Its a simple matter of personal preservation.

If you value your safety and well-being, then you will do everything you can to make sure you don't get put in a situation to jeopardize either.

Terrorists Win!

(sorry for the offhand comment, but it fits)


so, now we have to guess where we can go and when and where we can't, all based on the whims of thugs. what if they decide tomorrow that you're good for bbq and wait outside? is it your fault if you didn't 'sense' it in time and bug out if they come in and cut your throat?

[edit on 2010.2.16 by Long Lance]

reply to post by Dark Ghost


Be Modest.

Or Else.

That's a lot of words for a simple, and really disgusting, concept.

Addition:

What do I do personally to avoid rape?

Take my husband, son, dog(s) with me whenever I go out.

I gave up my right to long, solitary walks. I pray for the wisdom to avoid the predators and their attention, with my clothes, looks, demeanor, or being too preoccupied with my errands to remember they are out there. This part is very annoying because it's already hard enough to remember everything anyway. That's where faith comes in, because He carries all the trust I have in His two hands, and He has never failed me, but protected me.

He makes me smarter and thus safer. He makes me less noticeable, or something else more interesting. He makes me turn left instead of right sometimes, and I believe it's all for my good. I have reason to believe this.

I pay attention to my instincts and follow them without question. They know more than my conscious mind can deal with. But they are on the side of caution and also, rarely fail me. I attribute this to the current presence of the Holy Spirit in my life. It is He that is that intuition, that super-knowledge, awareness, instinct, insight. The gut-feeling. It's correct and reliable, under His control, surrendered in trust to Him. He knows where all the predators are, after all. They cannot escape His scrutiny, and He will answer my prayers about them when I bring it to Him. He doesn't ignore, but earns our trust by bringing true safety, and a measure of peace.

I keep my inner warrior ready. It requires a coldness that I pray is not permanent and does not change my core being. But I have myself ready to be more of a nightmare to any would-be rapist than he could ever be to me. Crazier, crueler, meaner, sneakier, and more low-down. That's right.

Why? I think it's clear. I hope this encourages women to think carefully about these things they can do for themselves. Strong women who are raped are just as much of a loss to society as men damaged by war. Still in life, but not as much as they could be. Still alive, but not entirely.

Thanks for listening, ATS. God bless you all.
Peace.

reply to post by dawnstar

I think you are living in a fantasy world if you think that necessity might not warrant you to go through that shady part of town in that nice richy car in the middle of the night!!!
who knows, one night you might be in a strange part of town, get lost, and find yourself in that part of town! You might have to actually stop somewhere, just to find out where in the world you are....
and then, well....I guess you can share part of the blame when you get mugged!

You are comparing getting lost in a bad neighborhood to dressing provocatively, getting drunk, and/or going somewhere with a strange man.

Do you honestly not see the difference?

But yes...I have had to walk through a bad neighborhood, it was my choice to get out of an even more potentially dangerous situation. And if I would of gotten mugged I would of admitted it was partially my fault for putting myself in the original dangerous situation in the first place. But I didn't walk through that neighborhood like I would walk through my neighborhood...I was at least smart about it. I stayed on the main road even though that took me way longer, I was aware of my surroundings, I didn't walk next to the buildings and openings of alleyways, I looked far ahead of me to see if there were any groups of guys ahead, I did not have my headphones on, I took my hat off, and I walked with purpose.

Now did any of that help me??? I don't know...I wasn't mugged...I walked past one group of guys like they didn't even notice me...not sure if what I did helped or not.

Like I said before...some girls will get it and some won't. Some will understand that wearing that micro mini skirt may not be a good idea when going to a club downtown where you have never been to and don't know anyone besides the people you are going with. And some will think "I should be able to wear whatever I want and wherever I want"...and blame everyone else for the situations they put themselves into.

Nothing we say here will change their minds. Some people are "victims" before they are ever an actual victim of a crime...they will be victims their whole life and nothing will ever be their fault.

reply to post by Snarf


You still don't see do you? All of those "what ifs" in terms of dress, demeanor and location do not matter...

The rapist is 100% to blame every time...

In sex offender treatment programs a lot of these arguments are played out by the participants, and nearly all of those points raised by your self and others have been done to death on these programs.. However the forensic psyche who runs the program is carefully listening to what you are saying.. I guarantee though that if you continued on with those arguments that you would find yourself never being released... I know this because my ex worked with prisoners on these programs and most of our friends too so know what happens...

There is NO excuse.... Ever... Ever... End of argument...

reply to post by Selahobed

There is NO excuse

No one is saying there is an "excuse".


Many are saying that women need to have some personal responsibility about the decisions they make that may put them in a potentially dangerous situation.

And the push-back we are getting is that women shouldn't have to worry about what they wear, where they go, and who they go with. They should just always be safe. They are stuck in this "perfect world" scenario which I find very confusing.

[edit on 16-2-2010 by OutKast Searcher]

reply to post by Copperflower

Copperflower - very well said and very important two posts.






[edit on 16-2-2010 by LadySkadi]

Originally posted by sos37

Originally posted by zatara

THAT IS 100% THE FAULT OF THE RAPIST.

I'll never agree to that at least if you meant to say "THAT IS 100% THE FAULT OF THE RAPIST 100% OF THE TIME"

That's an absolute and totally acquits the victim of ANY actions he/she was doing prior to the rape happening, no matter what those actions are.

That logic completely escapes me.

'

Okay ...let me explain....

The guy who forces himself on the woman and force her to have sex with him.....that is a rapist....right.

I am not going into much further discussion after saying this.... if a woman really says no and a guy force her to have sex...that is rape....and he is a rapist.

Rape is rape...and it escapes me how somebody can not understand this or can twist this into something else.

reply to post by zatara


And if a woman gets so drunk that she can't remember if she said yes or no?(applies to men aswell) Like i said in my previous post this is very common and can lead to false rape charges due to a number of reasons. Alcohol has a big role to play in all this imo, a serial rapist is a different situation altogether though.



[edit on 16-2-2010 by Solomons]

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


I'm not going to argue that this is not a perfect world, and subsequently there are people living on this planet that are sexually immature, lack control and are a danger.. I am not going to argue that you could indeed be in the wrong place and wrong time, dressed suggestively to the point that an unstable individual could take advantage of those set of circumstances and attack.. That my friend is a no brainer that does not require a PhD in quantum mechanics to work out.. However what the point is.. is the seemingly endless justifications mad plain by some of the arguments on this thread that are taken in by the younger individuals on this site who are influenced by the arguments and could use them as a justification themselves...
We have a moral obligation to this young readership on this site and to possible victims of rape too who see the justifications for their pain and torment made into nothing by idiots who do not have a clue..

Have some thought people to what you say on here!!


[edit on 112828p://f55Tuesday by Selahobed]

The absoulute lack of common sense overwhelms me at times. Will you people please read and listen to what people are ACTUALLY saying and NOT twist those words to meet your, apparently, close minded views. It is VERY frustrating to have members label other members as "rapist sympathizers" or "rapist supporters", etc....when NO ONE, not ONE member in the last 23 pages is supporting the act of rape. NO ONE is sympathizing with a scumbag who rapes, and NO ONE is blaming the female for getting raped. We ALL agree the rapist is 100% at fault...what your NOT understanding, for whatever reason, is that the MAJORITY in this thread are saying is....there ARE, no matter how you wanna take it, things FEMALES do to intice and give better opportunities for the crime of rape to happen to them. Again and for the last time, does that mean they are at fault...MY DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN WITH MORE PATIENCE THEN ME...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....it simply means females in SOME cases make it easier for animals to attack...thats all....by god please understand the difference!

For those who haven't yet seen it (or feel it may defeat some of their arguments)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Girl who cried rape after sex in public toilet walks free from court

www.dailymail.co.uk


Sarah-Jane Hilliard claimed she'd been raped after a night out but a jury found her guilty of perverting the course of justice. Today she was given a 12-month jail sentence suspended for two years


A woman who accused a student of rape after dragging him into a public toilet for sex was spared jail yesterday.

Bisexual Sarah-Jane Hilliard, 20, seduced Grant Bowers when the two bumped into each other during a night out clubbing.

The young man falsely accused of rape (by Hilliard) stood to spend up to 10 years in jail as result of her lies

He says now that he's afraid to even talk to girls after his ordeal

www.dailymail.co.uk...


It's an interesting and thought-provoking article

So easy for the girl (bisexual, according to the source) to accuse him of rape

The girl even planned to profit from her lies as a 'victim of crime'


The days of warning young women to beware of men may be over

Now, it seems it's men who need to be warned


See current ATS thread about this case:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 16-2-2010 by Dock9]

reply to post by Dock9


In this case or any others like it, the people making those false allegations should not be getting a suspended sentence but should serve the whole term.. Longer than the 2 years.. After all, even though the guy on this occasion was cleared, mud as they say, still sticks and this guy will suffer repercussions for years to come... Another kind of victim of rape... The false rape claim.. Still vile and disgusting.. Still creates victims.. And worse still makes it harder for the the real victims of rape to come forward

Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by zatara

 

And if a woman gets so drunk that she can't remember if she said yes or no?(applies to men aswell) Like i said in my previous post this is very common and can lead to false rape charges due to a number of reasons. Alcohol has a big role to play in all this imo, a serial rapist is a different situation altogether though.



[edit on 16-2-2010 by Solomons]

If this woman did not mind at the time but regrets her decision when she sobers-up, it will be her life lesson. If she screams rape while not been against it at the moment of the act, it is she who should be judged for incriminating that 'lucky' poor guy.

Now you can come with the question....how can you prove it wasn't rape? This is an entire other matter and not to be answered if we weren't there or by some physical examination.

If she is drunk and said no...still rape. If they are both drunk and she says no...also rape.

If she passed out and got taken advantage of....rape.

Jesus.....I read some of the comments and for some people it is very hard to understand what a woman does mean when she says no.

Some people are searching for an excuse that will justify to rape a woman...what is that all about?

I will not comment any further in this thread because it is becoming a stupid discusion....

Originally posted by rcwj1975
..it simply means females in SOME cases make it easier for animals to attack...thats all....by god please understand the difference!

yes? you'd think getting nailed by one (or several) psychopaths would be deterrent enough, wouldn't you? i mean where are y'all going with this thought? that the woman should punished for negligence or the offender's sentence reduced?

of all the issues surrounding rape, this aspect appears to be one of the least interesting when it comes to prevention, because it revolves around imagining what the perps might think, which is an exercise in contrived futility, imho. it's known as appeasement, being nice to the crocodile will somehow convince it to let you go, right? not quite.


prevention really is the only worthwhile approach and achieving that would require better awareness than what is displayed in this thread (mho, of course) for a start, if you don't agree with that i'd like to know your approach. this would of course mean neutralizing the predators, if only 1% are truly reported, rape is quite a 'safe' crime from the perp's point of view (no, i don't really believe the number, call me naive), which has to change. cutting down the noise level might help, this involves weeding out false accusations, which should at least be treated as perjury, but for some reason are not, and lowering the fear level of reporting the crime, which is quite to opposite of what's happening. see f-ex:

Raped in Oslo

The number of rapes in the Norwegian capital Oslo is six times as high as in New York City. I’ve written about the issue of rape and Muslim immigration so many times that I am, quite frankly, a bit tired of the subject. But as we all know, problems don’t disappear just because you are tired of talking about them, so here goes.

There has been an explosive increase in the number of rape charges in the city of Oslo, but both the media and the authorities consistently refuse to tell us why.
..

Two out of three charged with rape in Norway’s capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily. Unni Wikan, a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo, in 2001 said that “Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The professor’s conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: “Norwegian women must realize that we live in a Multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.”

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they are in effect already excusing the act of rape and blaming the victim! after all it's the easiest thing to do - or so it seems, using strikingly similar rhetoric as was displayed in this thread. can you see it?

[edit on 2010.2.16 by Long Lance]

reply to post by Selahobed


I agree

Makes you wonder how many times men have been jailed and their lives (and those of their family) ruined

On ebay, they warn about 'buyers' remorse'. This is when someone 'wants' something, right then. Impulse. A 'feel good' fix. So they bid. Next day, or after their item has arrived, they decide they didn't want it after all. Or decide they can't afford it

So, in order to get out of the deal --- and/or to obtain or force the seller to give them a refund --- they lie. They leave Negative Feedback, thus damaging the seller's reputation

The seller has done nothing wrong. They honoured the deal. But they are made to suffer by unscrupulous, conscienceless liars


A lot of false accusations of rape could be termed 'sexual remorse'

The girl goes out for the night. Maybe she wants to get even with her boyfriend. Or maybe she's determined to 'find a guy'. Maybe she's angry and wants to hurt a man, any man, all men. Maybe she just drank too much

Whatever the case, she sleeps with a man. The alcohol clouded her judgement, the night seems long and tomorrow might never come

But the sun comes up. She sobers up. She is appalled by what she's done. Or her boyfriend phones and they make up. Or maybe her boyfriend's waiting at the door when she arrives home, dishevelled

How can she explain where she's been all night ? If her boyfriend (or maybe it's her husband) learns that she's slept with another man, he might leave her for good

So she says tearfully, ' I was raped ! I was raped ' (that way, if it turns out she's pregnant and there's a DNA test conducted --- or if she's contracted a sexually transmitted disease --- well, it wasn't her fault, was it ? Because she was raped. Not her fault. No-one can blame her for anything if she was raped )

'Sexual remorse'. And as 'buyers' remorse' can destroy an innocent seller's ebay reputation --- so can 'sexual remorse' leading to false accusations of rape destroy a man's reputation (as well as putting him in jail for years )

Originally posted by zatara
Some people are searching for an excuse that will justify to rape a woman...what is that all about?

I will not comment any further in this thread because it is becoming a stupid discusion....

Thank god, because the only STUPID discusion is coming from people like you, NOT paying attention or comprehending.