Why would aliens want to be kept a secret? Believers please read this.

Originally posted by randomname
why haven't aliens made official contact.-the prime directive.

Random actually may be right.

Imagine if we went to another world with a population much less advanced than us.

Wouldn't we be afraid of them getting our technology and altering their evolution?

reply to post by craig732


Unfortunately, Craig, we would not care that we had wrecked their evolution.

That is just what humans are like.

reply to post by seangkt


Dear seangkt

There is quite a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest that there are ET’s flying around our skies form US government papers. I forget the name now but there was one that came out I think in the late 1950’s. This paper was all about what to do if there was contact etc,.

There are also fire chief text books about what to do in the event of contact or indeed a crash of an ET craft.

That is apart from all the sightings by people who you would trust there word about any other subject.

It is obvious that hard evidence is being hidden by our governments and threads like this are helping them do there job. Very well I might add.

ET has an agenda it is certain our governments think they know what it is, maybe maybe not. However I think for the most part of the various races of ET it can’t be to destroy us. It would have happened long ago and you would not have known what hit you. It would seam to be biological that is as near as I can guess.

To question there motive is well beyond us right now.

Originally posted by seangkt
I understand the reasons the government would keep secrets of an advanced alien life form from the masses but what I don't understand is why aliens would hide from us. And I also don't understand why any sort of alien would come to an agreement such as that.

Because we would be far easier to control if they were "behind the scenes". If they came out into the open, a lot of people would become aware of their influence and rebel against them.

Originally posted by craig732
Imagine if we went to another world with a population much less advanced than us.

Wouldn't we be afraid of them getting our technology and altering their evolution?

Yes. Imagine if visitors made themselves known openly here and helped us with technology, wouldn't they then also be concerned for how we humans would act, based on our history so far? Perhaps they would think we should never be allowed to travel the stars until we grow up and leave behind our abusive ways.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
Because we would be far easier to control if they were "behind the scenes". If they came out into the open, a lot of people would become aware of their influence and rebel against them.

Well said Paul.

A lot of people would join forces into a resistence movement to fight anywhere and anyhow they could to free humanity from such enslavement.

reply to post by NuclearPaul

If they came out into the open, a lot of people would become aware of their influence and rebel against them.

I think this is starting to happen slowly anyway N.Paul. People are sensing on levels deep within them that they are being controlled and manipulated.

"This forum is dedicated to the discussion of historic and contemporary events related to extraterrestrial encounters, UFO sightings, and speculation about related subjects. Discussion topics and follow-up responses in this forum will likely tend to lean in favor of the existence of extraterrestrials and the related conspiracies, scandals, and cover-ups. Members who would seek to refute such theories should be mindful of AboveTopSecret.com\'s tradition of supporting the examination of the \"extraterrestrial phenomenon\" on the related conspiracy theories, cover-ups, and scandals."

If you're not willing to entertain the possibilities then this isn't the forum for you.

OP, you are allowing individual theories to progressively negatively bias your overall opinion. I don't think you are giving the bigger picture a fair shake at all. You build up "facts" based on subjective ideas you cook up on different ET subjects, and then proclaim this as proof there are "no aliens," and that we should be doing more productive things with our time.

How does Roswell NOT prove the alien theory, if it is true? You are claiming you KNOW it is not true? You must have in your possession some insider information that is completely new to us! If so, I'd love for you to share it. If not, then you cannot prove Roswell wasn't a cover-up. You are simply allowing your own stacked biases to force yourself to believe that Roswell COULDN'T have happened. If it had, it messes with your entire perception of the phenomena.

I personally don't believe in crop circles. I think they are all man-made. I also think a large % (maybe as much as 98% + ) of abduction cases are bunk. I don't think there are faces on Mars, or statues on the moon, or that Corso knew jack-diddly. Animal mutilations? There is something odd about them. I don't know if they are alien, but obviously you have studied them yourselves in depth, if you came to the conclusion you did.

But I still firmly believe in the UFO phenomena. There are too many cases (especially the older cases), with conclusions that I think can't be explained away by conventional means (or even "super-secret" government black projects), that there really isn't any other conclusion I can come to.

I don't know that they are alien species from other worlds orbiting other suns. I think it's a firm possibility, and makes more sense than other theories (time travelers, parallel dimensions, etc.). But I think it's real.

Keep in mind only ONE sighting or ONE abduction has to be real for this to exist. ONE. Out of all the sightings and abductions over the decades, you don't think it's a bold claim to say that 100% of them were false? Either you have done a LOT of research and are one bright fellow, or you are just letting your own opinion color things in your post.

If you continue down the road you are on, you will bend up as one of the more common debunkers we see. Which is, you will vehemently defend the impossibility of UFOs, attacking every case that comes up that is easy game (which the majority of cases are), and just ignore the ones that are very plausible. I'd ask you to not close your mind that way.

If you really want to approach this fairly, go research some of the more important cases. I doubt you've done more than general reading of Roswell. Go read the book by Stanton Friedman on the subject. Perhaps once you have fully educated yourself about the UFO phenomena, you won't feel the same way any longer. Or at least, you will stop coming onto boards like this, and telling folks they should be studying politics instead.

Originally posted by seangkt
Abductions......Just give it up already your either crazy or you want someone to listen to you way to much. Loneliness sucks, but guess what! There is a simple cure for it. DONT TELL A STORY AS DUMB AS THIS and people may want to be your friend. Never a picture or any valid proof and still lots of people choose to question the validity of these stories as if there NOT TRUE isn't the only answer. Once again if aliens were trying to stay hidden from us why would they abduct someone and send them back with memories of them? Once again failing on the subtelty mission.

Mutliated animals found and considered to be caused by aliens. Have you guys never heard of psychopaths or maybe some random, not local, but close enough predator to have come and decided snack time was needed. I have seen this story more than a few times and saw the same amount of people believing it.
Seriously? Seriously........ This one is way to stupid for me to even laugh at but once again I ask a question. If this were caused by aliens I believe we have the proper forensic science tools to figure out what mutliated the animal and if it were something not from here well I'm sure we'd hear about it somehow. With that being said if aliens were leaving them behind also very stupid if trying to stay hidden.

I can go on forever with these.......

Yes, you probably can, and it would still not be much more than your opinion. Ill informed, certainly, but hey.

I want to focus on just 2 issues here.
1 - Abductions.
I used to think there was nothing much in this until I started looking deeper.
Then I found - like lots of others - that probably 95% of people who think they experienced this do not - ever - report it, and rarely even discuss it with anyone at all precisely because of posts like this.
Yes there will be fakes & hoaxes, that is a sad fact of our pathetic species & it's desire for transient fame. There is a hard core that seem to be a genuine phenomenon though, and it is not new. It goes back as long as we do - and that is a very, very long time.

Whilst there are whack jobs out there, and undoubtedly some will arrive in this area, to deride all as loners is pathetically inadequate.

2 - Mutations.
I suggest you re-read some of the literature, specifically Linda Moulton's books. This is not the work of predators, who generally do not core things out with lasers, or drain all the blood, or remove sex organs/anus etc.

reply to post by seangkt


Look, they are trying to hide here in these clouds...Recent youtube video of mysterious ring in clouds over Latin America.


Practicing embedding....and I s*ck at it. Sorry
Try this www.youtube.com...



Thank you so much tristar!

[edit on 14-2-2010 by rusethorcain]

"Wrong again, ufologists or "believers" don't mold their lives around the idea, well maybe a little, but it can't be helped when one starts considering life universally. But it is no different to studying physics, we are learning about the things we enjoy, whether as a hobby or as a professional."

I didn't mean to give the impression I thought believers mold their lives around the fact ETs exist. I understand that people see a ufo or claim to see an ET, they tell their story the first month or so and then the story is just told on those special occasions. Ufologists, however, choose to mold their lives around the subject, as a hobby of course, but still they do mold their lives around it. I don't think their is anythign wrong with believing I just don't see the point in waiting around anymore, putting so much time into the subject. Why not just leave it alone until something that can be seen by the masses and is 100% truly an ET comes around?

And it's not like we don't study other subjects. My favorite topics are probably quantum physics, electrical engineering, programming, philosophy and metaphysics.

Those are all very exciting. I favor astrophysics and geophysics.


"I would beg to differ...there are hundreds of unexplained videos and photos out there...I believe some of the NASA footage contains extraterrestrial space craft...and I've seen a lot of interesting home footage...there's obviously going to be some hoaxes...but that doesn't mean they all are..."

I didn't say anything about a space craft. I want to see an ET. Those space craft could be top secret aircraft or a small amount of other things.

"It has nothing to do with wanting it bad enough...that is a poor excuse...my beliefs are well founded and the result of years of research and investigation...I have reached the most obvious conclusion...Occam's Razor wasn't it? Are you telling me there is a more likely explanation for all of these "coincidences"? I think you are the one fooling yourself pal..."

I'm not necessarily saying you are tricking yourself into believing it. What I am trying to say, is that some of the people who claim to have been abducted could be in fact tricking themselves into believing it and when these stories make it to the public they come off real.


reply to post by amfirst

I agree...to an extent...

[edit on 14/2/10 by CHA0S]

[edit on 14-2-2010 by seangkt]

reply to post by seangkt


because we are at a state and has been for many thousands of years were we are not ready or to even grasp at something advanced as aliens. Simple as that-We are still cavemen and a living danger for many things.

reply to post by rusethorcain


This is the code you need to copy and paste in the Youtube Video link ICJe1J4yk3M

reply to post by seangkt


I just found this, story in Popular Mechanics titled 6 UFO's They Can't Explain
www.popularmechanics.com...

Non believers, please read.

Absolutely!..This is what I have been saying for so long, theres no way the goverment could hide something this big for so many years. Kennedy couldn't keep secrets about his women, nor could Clinton, but yet they can hide a secret this big, no way. Theres no men in black or secret shadow goverment, all hog wash.

reply to post by Mr_skepticc


The argument from personal incredulity just like the OP. Believers aren't the only ones who commit logical fallacies.

reply to post by Mr_skepticc


What about the Philadelphia Experiment, the Montauk Project, MJ12, Project Pegasus, Project Paperclip, Project Orion (massive nuclear powered spacecraft) Shown here www.youtube.com...
And thanks for sharing but I must ask you...What does the Builderberg Group get together for? Why are they all such powerful individuals in Media, World Banking and Government? And why so secretive? You are not denying they are secretive are you?
Let me tell you - It's not a ski club.
And why do so many incriminating clues and investigative articles lead straight back to the Rothschild's, Rockefellers the Papacy and the Monarchy?
Is it so difficult to believe those once in control would want to stay in control at all costs? Why do the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and less educated when we are supposed to be evolving? The poor do not pull any strings. When you control the wealth you control the people.

Please preface your remarks with "in my humble or inflated opinion" as the case may be -since this is what you are offering with your limited and narrow minded conclusions.







[edit on 15-2-2010 by rusethorcain]

edit

[edit on 15-2-2010 by sam_inc]

Ok skeptics you can just quit with this business of believers "being desperate to believe in the existence of UFOs and Aliens".

That is a total crock. All you have to do is look at the preponderance of the evidence collected over hundreds, even thousands of years. The thousands of incidents create a body of evidence that leads to the inescapable conclusion that Earth has been visited.

Arguments that the distance is too great and it would take too much time to get here from light years away just carry SO much weight when you consider we have been a technological society for barely 100 years and still cannot agree on the basic rules of physics. We have not a clue the capabilities of civilizations that have been in existence and technological for possibly thousands of years. We are mere infants when it comes to real "high-tech".

The only question now is when all the governments of the world are going to come out in the open and make a public announcement of what many of us are already aware of.

reply to post by expat2368


Like a knife through butter you cut to the chase and said more or less what I have been thinking all along.

Salute to you sir