Why would aliens want to be kept a secret? Believers please read this.

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I suppose you want attention. Well, you got a 'smattering of it, pretty good too for an inciting but, vacuous posting. It's been said a thousand times right here on ABS--"You shoulda been there...seeing is believing. Not having that experience is your failing, not ours.

What in the world makes you think that you are sane and all of us are crazy, lonely, misguided, mistaken, etc. believers? Tip: Think again! It ain't that simple.

And going further with "What makes you think..," what makes you think you understand the social and cultural attributes of any of the ETs that seem to be visiting us? Are you an an insider, accomplish diplomat, expert in exo-politics and alien behavior or even acquainted with the human side of it? No, obviously not. Have you studied their entire civilizations start to finish. poorest to the most developed? No, obviously not. Yet you want to preach to us with your entirely human-conditoned mentality to believe you know best. --You haven't been, by chance, to the Pleiades have you? If not, I wish for you an UFO experience and maybe an anal probe.

Some things we won't know, chum, until they decided to kill us or help us. I personally doubt that the watching will go on forever.

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I wish you types of guys would wait for the full researched post. And yes that same argument is used because it's a good one. I understand it's played out but there's not much more that needs to be said.

Anyone who sees this and wants to take a shot at me should save what they got and instead go to my posts requesting your 3 favorite abduction and 3 most convincing stories and put in your choices. I will be using the top 3 of each for my next post. My next post will be just like this one except there will actually be work put into it. It will be longer, more detailed and the stories will be picked by you guys.

seangkt I think your getting fed up with all this, you hope something will happen and nothing does. Sun always comes up, it goes down, but the next day it happens again over and over.

Perhaps you should leave ATS for good and live a non-conspiracy life style.

I thinking of doing the same i think

Ets are not interested in revealing themselves to us.

I do not think it is the government hiding something, I think it is the ETs.

Their secrecy and their malicious abductions in fact bother me.

They have interest in Humanity but they don't openly reveal themselves to us at the same time.

Why are they being stealthy?
What is their agenda?
Why do they come to earth?

The point I made leads to no positive conclusion with UFOs. Most people view UFO with positive or neutral mind set. I come here and see it with a negative.

Perhaps like other posters said, there is a chance that we are living in an ET's fish tank...

The government doesnt tell its people because mass chaos will insue. aliens dont reveal themselves because humans as a race are distructive creatures and some people out there will try to shoot down the ufo's. thus causeing an intergalactic war which we would surely lose.

If the government knows anything,they likely don't tell the public because the media would be a zoo and major media frenzy would happen.They likely have done illegal criminal acts to cover up either the knowledge of aliens,possibly trying to shoot them down.Possibly killed people to shut them up.Or maybe they don't know what they are either and are afraid the public would get scared.Bottom line they have covered this subject up and a paper trail of evidence exist.It could also cause serious collapse of religious structure and chaos and frighten people and they could commit suicide.This stuff would realy be looney if the government knows the Greys abduct people and have not returned some of them.The scenarios seem looney and far fecthed but think about it like humans do to each other.

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The aliens have no wish to remain a secret. However, they have no wish to interfere in the affairs on the earth and make the revelation themselves. They would like the governments of the world (mainly the US or the UN) make the announcement.

The aliens doing it themselves would be considered (by Cosmic Law) to be interference or infringement on the free will of humanity - the aliens have no wish to do that.

The aliens approached the US government more than 60 years ago hoping they would reveal truth. But the US has not only refused to do that, they have prevented any other government or organization from doing it by using ridicule, disinformation, intimidation and even violence and murder.

The reason the US wants to keep presence of advanced alien a secret is that they think that will mean the loss of US domination of the world (economic, political, cultural, technological)

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idk if anyone has already said anything im about to say. if so, then i apologize to them for stealing what they said. lol.
well for one. if they did create us. there has been generations after generations of human beings, they prolly want to check on our dna. or something of that sort. cuz from what ive learned in science class. things degrade over time. so thousands of years of human life. somethings bound to degrade or de-evolve down the line.
they could be comparing the different kinds of humans?
cuz weve got all sorts of many races and ethnic groups. so they could be doing research on those. and then we have so many different humans in general. they could be abducting those who stand out to them for whatever reasons.

and some people actually are abducted. weather its by aliens or whatever else it could be is beyond me and you.and usually what causes the insanity in most abductees, is the abduction itself. imagine waking up on a cold table with 4 or 5 beings entirely different from you and me, standing above you, staring at you, examining you. or try waking up in the midle of the night, a bright light flooding your room, next thing you know. your in that room. then you wake up safe and sound in your bed. you prolly wouldnt sleep for a couple nights.

and the mutilations. explain the extremely precise cuts and incisions. and the lack of blood in the animal. yes anyone could drain an animal of blood. but that would take time depending on your method. at the least a couple hours. and im sure anyone could cut up a cow. but with the precision of a lazer?

and then look at the past. look at it. its all around you. dos ome research about egypt, and other ancient places. im sure youll find some more then questionable cave/wall art.

Even in ancient manuscripts there is mention of covenants and contracts between these ETs and humans. The genetic experiments are still on-going. The story of Jacob wrestling with the angel was not a physical wrestling match...it was negotiations over the covenant deal. The angel struck Jacob on the thigh, so the scriptures say. The 'thigh' is a eupheumism for reproductive organs.

It was the ETs who gave man technology and it started with the mystery schools. The knowledge then was no more than 5th grade science which the prophets displayed as magic tricks of God. The deal was that they had to give God credit for the "miracle" or feat. In turn, it kept people in subjection of the rulers out of fear of their god. And what did the ETs get in return? Blood, lots of blood. Why do they need this blood?


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Originally posted by seangkt
I understand the reasons the government would keep secrets of an advanced alien life form from the masses but what I don't understand is why aliens would hide from us. And I also don't understand why any sort of alien would come to an agreement such as that.

I am completely skeptical that they want to hide from us.

First off I have read over and over that humans were possibly genetically created from an advanced alien race.
This idea alone makes me wonder why aliens would "abduct" people for studies if they created us. I know if I make a sandwich I know what's on it and don't need to double check. If they can genetically create us they make more on a home planet and use those for tests.

You have to dismiss some information while accepting others. You don't have to accept information, but if you can rationalize it (use the philosophy of rationalism rather than empiricism) then you should be able accept some of this information, genuinely. If you can't, that is alright, but your purpose for being on here should be a struck of curiosity on the subject, not to outright dismiss EVERYTHING! There is a word for what you are doing and it is propaganda and there is a word to describe yourself and that is a fanatic.

Abductions......Just give it up already your either crazy or you want someone to listen to you way to much. Loneliness sucks, but guess what! There is a simple cure for it. DONT TELL A STORY AS DUMB AS THIS and people may want to be your friend. Never a picture or any valid proof and still lots of people choose to question the validity of these stories as if there NOT TRUE isn't the only answer. Once again if aliens were trying to stay hidden from us why would they abduct someone and send them back with memories of them? Once again failing on the subtelty mission.

I am always skeptical about abductions.

Mutliated animals found and considered to be caused by aliens. Have you guys never heard of psychopaths or maybe some random, not local, but close enough predator to have come and decided snack time was needed. I have seen this story more than a few times and saw the same amount of people believing it.

Black helicopters and cattle mutilations are linked. It is not psychopaths and not aliens.

I can go on forever with these but am going to stop here and get to my point. To many of you are wanting to believe so bad and fooling yourselves. If aliens were to come to this planet I doubt they would go completely hidden to the rest of world and make it to the white house to speak to only people who are supposed to know top secret stuff. Half of these stories are nothing but complete rubbish. When aliens want us to know they exist IF they do the world will find out as one and as much as I would love to see alien life I put much emphasis on the word IF.

I am now skeptical on your skeptical views. You are basically insinuating you know how they would behave by saying they wouldn't do this or wouldn't do that. You don't know anything about them and yet clearly you have just given us a psychological analysis on their being. Unless you actually met any you really aren't doing any good for us legitimate skeptics.

Life is beautiful, so quit wasting time on nonsense and fairy tales or aliens coming to earth and stuff like this and go put time into studying and writing about something useful like maybe financial, poltical or scientific issues. I believe the dumbing down of america is a conspiracy talked about on here and I hate to say it but stories like these aren't making people look any smarter.

You are a fanatic when you tell people they should just lose interest in extraterrestrials and clearly you should be ignored.

I ran out of room, so I am going to respond to this next comment in this post here.

The aliens have no wish to remain a secret. However, they have no wish to interfere in the affairs on the earth and make the revelation themselves. They would like the governments of the world (mainly the US or the UN) make the announcement.

Right on the ball

The aliens doing it themselves would be considered (by Cosmic Law) to be interference or infringement on the free will of humanity - the aliens have no wish to do that.

I wouldn't call it Cosmic Law. And it is not free will, it is natural evolution. An act of interference on our very nature will hinder our development. It has nothing to do with free-will, but sentience. Free will does not exist. What you are speaking of in place of free will is sentience.

If you can prove free will exists then I will believe it. If you can rationalize it, I will believe it. But you cannot speak of something that clearly was made up as if it actually exists, because we don't have free will. We don't perform our actions simply without being confined in some measure by some influence or design. Our behavior is determined by our DNA and Social upbringing, there is very very little or nonexistent room for free will to take part in our actions.

Our most constant means to justify it is with random assortment of actions. But nothing is really random. If you threw a coin in the air and acknowledge the momentum you had used and the wind's trajectory, you would have to accept that the toss of the coin was ultimately going to occur regardless of the randomness we associate with it, because everything works in accordance to universal laws. There is no room for randomness, even in Quantum Mechanics our understanding is quite limited and without the association of string theory and dark matter and energy, we are very much incline to accept reality as an essence of chaos, but do note that chaos exists in a state of no order, no laws, and clearly when you re-analyze quantum mechanics with string theory and dark matter and dark energy, you begin to understand that reality is not chaotic, it is just confusing and orderly. Extremely elaborate and that is all.

Only the observation of that which is not understood is random to our eyes, but once it is understood, it is no longer random or spontaneous. Take for instance a computer and playing a game of solitary, the game really isn't random once you understand the schematics and design of the program and understand the properties of electricity and electrons. If everything was really so random, there would be by no means to travel through the stars and then there would be no aliens.

The aliens approached the US government more than 60 years ago hoping they would reveal truth. But the US has not only refused to do that, they have prevented any other government or organization from doing it by using ridicule, disinformation, intimidation and even violence and murder.

Our government isn't preventing other governments, they are working together. The British government, Iranian government, Russian Government, Japanese government, Chinese government, French government, Mexican government, and our government are working together.

The reason the US wants to keep presence of advanced alien a secret is that they think that will mean the loss of US domination of the world (economic, political, cultural, technological)

Wrong again. It is not a lost of dominance of one country over the entire world. It is the lost of one class of society over all others in all societies around the world. This is a battle being fought between the aristocracies and the proletariat. And for goodness sakes, the United States is Britain's slave. We do things in their interest, not our own. America is just Britain's muscle. And the Commonwealth of Nations is a pseudonym for their empire.

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Right, so you have just quoted the storylines of lots of sci fi films. This is what i cant understand, how can someone with no evidence of what the aliens do, their eating requirements etc state the reasons why...

I can just make stuff up too, look:

They hold back us knowing because the aliens really like ballons, and they dont have ballons on their homeworld because they lack the chems to produce latex. So they are worried if they find out they are here and communicating with our governments then we will suppress all the ballons and they would have failed their galactic mission of returning to their homeworld (Zorgnog the second) with ballons.

Show me the evidence they use us for food, or feed of our emotions or are stopping us from reaching a better plain - other than the sort of evidence that is a blockbusters sci fi film rental card.

Our government isn't preventing other governments, they are working together. The British government, Iranian government, Russian Government, Japanese government, Chinese government, French government, Mexican government, and our government are working together.

It is true that multiple governments are involved in the coverup. It is mainly the nuclear powers (the security council members and maybe India) who are aware of the aliens (not Iran or Mexico), but it is the US which is doing almost all of the enforcing and disinformation campaign regarding the UFOs and aliens

Wrong again. It is not a lost of dominance of one country over the entire world. It is the lost of one class of society over all others in all societies around the world. This is a battle being fought between the aristocracies and the proletariat. And for goodness sakes, the United States is Britain's slave. We do things in their interest, not our own. America is just Britain's muscle. And the Commonwealth of Nations is a pseudonym for their empire.

It is ruling class of bankers and industry leaders who are afraid of losing the positions of power, but the US is especially concerned about losing its grip over the world. Once an advanced alien race and civilization is revealed the US/UK anglosaxon dominance will be over.

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Op you are certainly welcome to your opinions, especially if they allow you to sleep at night because if you are even just a little wrong then there are reasons to be concerned.

You cherry pick scenarios that for you (and many others) were easy to dismiss. No need to research what is obviously not a mystery. Humans as genetic kin to aliens, Spacecraft on google Earth, Abductions and mutilations, haha what folly.

Yet in each of the scenarios you mention is there not a single case where perhaps you go

Humans have a great conceit of their mastery of the Earth, afterall we are Gods chosen, right?.

Well it is just as easy to imagine that we are not alone, we are not masters of our world and that our notions of God are in need of an overhaul.

i don't think ufos hide from us - just think they are rare -

if you were a blue whale and you're friend swam over one day describing an encounter with a fisherman and you hadn't seen one before...he might sound loopy...

and if these fisherman were traveling from far away to get to your planet/ocean they would be even rarer...

they prob don't care...and as to why aliens would come all the way to see us...we're incredible...most of space is sketchy nothingness...

i'd bet life is 'rare' in the sense that size of galaxies/universe make it mindboggingly abundant, but travel distance wise things seem different

most life on earth is smart as # - but how many can build rockets?

watching a species 'evolve' so 'quickly' would be 'amazing'

also i think the greys are macro nanobots reporting to someone/somewhere else

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I guess you do not understand at all.The aliens are not hiding from us.They are hiding from another alien species who are more powerful than them and if they found out they were on earth ,they would proberly kick them off.They also relise there could be alien spys amoungst the human population.Another reason to stay secret and hide there bases.Theses other aliens may be part of a federation of planets that includes the earth.The aliens being on earth may be breaking some kind of federation law and if caught here may be arrested and sent back to where they originated from.

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Why indeed. I can only point to a power structure that does not like competition. Perhaps the reason we don't have broad band disclosure is the government would not know how to do it. It has to take into account those who pray to the aliens and those who curse them. But most of all we have to be concerned with those who would "expect" the government to cover our collective ass. They won't. If my suspissions are correct, there not in any capacity to do so. The aliens are controling the agenda. Like it or not, they don't want the general population to become comfortable with their presense. They like things just the way it is. We stay confused, doub't the veracity of our own government, and they continue to go on their merry way. They sample and screw us at every opportunity. Only when we rise up against these beings on our own soil, with out fear, can we defeat them. And yes it's a matter of total control. Enough fear. We need to stop acting like such push overs.