Why would aliens want to be kept a secret? Believers please read this.

Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by seangkt

 

But, you have to realise that you are applying human logic to comprehend what may be literally alien thought processes.

Amen, You need not say another word.

Who is to say they care?

Do you feel the need to announce yourself to the milk cows in the field everytime you drive by or do you continue on to your destination?

You have to be able to look at a situation from every angle before forming an opinion.

I have seen two UFO's in my lifetime and observed one for about 30 minutes on my birthday 3 years ago. www.abovetopsecret.com...

To try and qauntify a situation without investigating it from every angle is not entirely objective IMHO.

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reply to post by seangkt


Thank you!!! Aliens would not want to keep it a secret but the Watchers do for now, till their coming out party. No little Grey's will be real beings with souls, they are cloned bio-robots basically made by the Watchers and more than likely a few in government. They are made to fool the masses into believing in E.T. so they can fake an interstellar war and take all our rights away.

Now ask yourself why would the Fallen sons of God, the Watchers want us to get ready for a interstellar war? That is one excuse they will use to hand over all the nukes to one man and his government to defend earth. That man will be the Anti-Christ.

Read about the Watchers in the bible, book of Enoch.

reply to post by seangkt

Lets play...

This idea alone makes me wonder why aliens would "abduct" people for studies if they created us. I know if I make a sandwich I know what's on it and don't need to double check. If they can genetically create us they make more on a home planet and use those for tests.

I don't believe they completely created us...more like a fusing of their DNA and Earth primate DNA...it's really an on-going experiment I believe...of course, this is all speculation and we have no way of confirming such ideas at this stage, however, I believe evidence can be found in the fossil records...

Abductions......Just give it up already your either crazy or you want someone to listen to you way to much. Loneliness sucks, but guess what! There is a simple cure for it. DONT TELL A STORY AS DUMB AS THIS and people may want to be your friend.

That's quite a comment...won't you feel like the dumb one if disclosure does happen...will you apalogize to all the "lonely crazy" people in such an event? Why the hell would someone make up such a stupid story if they were lonely...seriously...there are so many better ways. If they were lonely or crazy, wouldn't you expect to see LOTS of other weird stories...why are the Alien/abduction stories so poplular...it makes zero sense...the only thing that makes sense is they are telling the truth...

Google Earth, WWT and all similar programs would never be allowed to leak pictures of something as crucial as alien ships. If aliens were here and trying to keep quiet or have been here do you really believe they would just show up in a fleet on satellite cameras that are available for the public to see? I think not.
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Never a picture or any valid proof and still lots of people choose to question the validity of these stories as if there NOT TRUE isn't the only answer. Once again if aliens were trying to stay hidden from us why would they abduct someone and send them back with memories of them? Once again failing on the subtelty mission.

I just thought I'd put those statements together there so you could answer one of your own questions...do you really expect a super-advanced race capable of genetically modifying intelligent beings to easily lose a piece of Alien technology or something...there is never going to be any hard evidence like that, because even if someone managed to get hold of some hard evidence like that, the Government would make an absolute point of seizing and covering it up...but the rest of the inconclusive proof when bundled together forms of body of evidence more powerful and overwhelming then that hardcore proof would ever be...we just fail to acknowledge it...because even if we did have that hard hitting evidence people would still make pointless arguments trying their hardest to explain it away as something of a mundane origin...because the mere nature of this subject means that's how things will always go...

I suspect the Aliens "move" the memories to a place where they can only be accessed via hypnotic therapy...but sometimes these memories wont stay suppressed and they will begin seeping through...

Mutliated animals found and considered to be caused by aliens. Have you guys never heard of psychopaths or maybe some random, not local, but close enough predator to have come and decided snack time was needed.

It most certiantly could be the things you describe, but so far your logic makes no sense, instead of evaluating the available evidence to see how strong the case is, you are making your arguments based on a few "theories" conspiracy-theorists have developed over the years, even if mutilations aren't caused by Aliens, that doesn't take from the fact that there is a very high chance they do exist when the situation is evaluated rationally.

Seriously? Seriously........ This one is way to stupid for me to even laugh at but once again I ask a question. If this were caused by aliens I believe we have the proper forensic science tools to figure out what mutliated the animal and if it were something not from here well I'm sure we'd hear about it somehow.

Well, maybe it's your "this stuff is way to stupid to even laugh at" attitude which causes scientists and legitimate professionals to avoid the subject at all costs, resulting in little, to no serious study into the subject...I've seen cases where it appears high precision lasers were used...

I can go on forever with these but am going to stop here and get to my point. To many of you are wanting to believe so bad and fooling yourselves. If aliens were to come to this planet I doubt they would go completely hidden to the rest of world and make it to the white house to speak to only people who are supposed to know top secret stuff. Half of these stories are nothing but complete rubbish. When aliens want us to know they exist IF they do the world will find out as one and as much as I would love to see alien life I put much emphasis on the word IF.

I'm not fooling anyone pal, my beliefs are very well founded. However, I've never been certain if the Government has contact with them...it's possible, but I don't really think so...but in any case, I'm certain the Government (or secret compartments of it) are fully aware of the Alien presence and they have good evidence of it...

Life is beautiful, so quit wasting time on nonsense and fairy tales or aliens coming to earth and stuff like this and go put time into studying and writing about something useful like maybe financial, poltical or scientific issues. I believe the dumbing down of america is a conspiracy talked about on here and I hate to say it but stories like these aren't making people look any smarter.

I don't really appreciate a person coming to a forum where we enjoy talking about "Fringe" topics...and essentially telling us to stop talking about things this forum was made to discuss...do you suggest we just delete the Alien board because you think it's so absolutely ridiculous? Well, I think not sir, because believe it or not, some of us think this subject IS very important, if not THE most important subject that needs to be seriously addressed...

Those are all good ideas but you don't think you are putting too much thought into this? I once believed most of these stories myselves but once I started really thinking for myself again I realized that without any sort of proof at all aliens fall under the "blind faith" category which I don't take to much part in. There has never been proof and never will be.

I don't claim all cases are fully sufficient...I realize there are a vast amount of hoaxes...but I'm not talking about fuzzy video footage or half ass crop circles...I'm talking about hard hitting events and insanely complex crop circles with odd phenomena apparent in the vicinity of those crop circles...I'm talking about millions of witness testimonies with hundreds of them from highly respectable people...I'm talking about all the stuff which can't just be ignored because obviously something odd is taking place...there is just too much happening...too much surrounding the UFO/Alien subject...something is going on...these millions of people and the most important events related to the subject can not easily be ignored.

My point is when all these cases are brought together it forms a case which CANNOT be ignored...I can easily ignore stories about a lot of other things because there isn't enough evidence to support them and they are most likely hoaxes...but when I look at the body of evidence as a whole...the case outweighs any other phenomena more than ten fold...I know for certain something is going down...there's no doubt about it...THERE IS JUST TOO MUCH...countless reports and events surrounding the subject...now inject hundreds of highly intelligent and respectable people making the same claims...the truth is fairly obvious...are you telling me the legal system is a sham...we send people to their death based on witness testimony...are you telling me we sent them to their death on "blind faith"?

IMO if you HAVE actually studied, dissected, examined and scrutinized to the best of your abilities, most of the available information on the Alien presence here on Earth, only a person lacking all rational thought, common sense and logic could deny the overwhelming body of evidence...that's why it really gets to me when the average joe...people with no real knowledge in this field...can so easily state the things they do...so easily laugh and scoff at the subject like it's a fantasy...IT'S NOT...

Have you seen the disclosure project? If you can watch the entire 4 hours of witness testimony given by highly respected and intelligent people such as Astronauts, Aeronautical Engineers, Pilots, Radar Technicians, C.I.A employees, NASA Employees and so on...if you can still deny the truth after listening to what these people have to say...after they have risked everything they spent their entire life working for...respect, status, a good job...all because they feel we the people deserve the truth...and they risk all this, they risk facing extreme mockery and skepticism...they risk looking like absolute fools and crack-pots with no grip on reality...and we still deny it all and laugh at them in return? What a reward for their risk, courage and efforts...

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Wow!
So many words!!

keep it up!

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reply to post by sparrowstail


Stanton Friedman is a pretty cool guy but I respect Stephen Hawkings opinion aliens. According to him he believes that the existence of aliens is a see it to believe it type of thing. He also believes that if we were to find out they exist we shouldn't make any sort of attempt to speak with any, as they are obviously going to be far more technologically advanced than we are.

As for your debunker tips, I guess we can call them.

When I wrote this post I labeled it the way I did because I was feeling argumentative writing would be fun and I always love a good debate. I am going to make an even better article hopefully by the end of next week (not sure if I will be able to finish with semester starting this week). The report will correct some of the ways I explained. I wrote this in just a few minutes based off the first 3 things I can remember that I always thought were the dumbest. I respect how you handle a situation like this and please look for the next article next week.

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Before I retort, I wrote this in less than 4 minutes probably when I woke up this morning because I felt like a good debate this isn't well thought out and it's only pieces of famous stories I used as examples. I will be writing a more in depth and researched article hopefully by the end of next week ( but not sure if it will happen as my semester starts next week and I am taking quite a few extra units.)

The whole hypnotherapy thing I have never really heard too many people say but I'm not going to say no to that but without actually looking it up I am not going to say anything leaning towards yes either.

I will save a good debate for the better written article. And also I believe you are so far from right when you say this was to the best of my abilities. This was a joke compared too what I can do with a topic I favor. Wait and watch for the better researched paper. I made this to engage and find who is worth debating with.

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It's the same argument I have for a creator.
I choose not to follow religion or believe in a creator because I don't condone blind faith. Ey experiencing what I have in life I choose to not believe in things that no one can prove for sure. Being a ufo believer you should love this question I know when I was on your side arguing vs me I loved it. I used to believe, then kind of got bored after 5 years of "The truth is coming out very soon." I'm so tired of hearing that I can't do it anymore so I am arguing it now.

Please watch for the part 2 of this that is going to hopefully come out by the end of next week. It will be very well researched for both sides and we can all have fun.

reply to post by seangkt

I will save a good debate for the better written article.

Oh, well if you must...

And also I believe you are so far from right when you say this was to the best of my abilities.

I never said that. I said if you have actually done the research, I'm guessing you would have a different opinion about the topic and wouldn't have said some of the things you did...it's fine to do the research and believe they don't exist, but your arguments suggest you haven't actually studied the topic to the degree required in order to be jumping to conclusions and making brash comments.

This was a joke compared too what I can do with a topic I favor.

...nice to know...

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TO ANYONE ELSE PLANNING ON POSTING ON THIS.

Please save all of your best arguments and and all the comments of how this is horribly written because I know that. I plan to make a very well researched part two to this hopefully by the end of next week but not sure if it will be possible as I have new semester starting next week and possibly a few appointments at doctor. I will better describe the history of my ufo research and why I choose now to throw it away until I see them. I will use some of my favorite stories from believers as well as debunkers.

Now I must say that those of you who chose to really nail the abduction comments, I plan on putting most of my time into this. I think people who claim to have been abducted are nothing more than pathological liars. Whoever brought up the lie detector argument can throw that in the trash. Lie detector tests are awesome but easily fooled. If the the person abducted suffered from a temporary delusion, very vivid lucid style dream, or if they plain want it to be real so bad they eventually fool themselves too, a lie detector would detect this as truth because it would be a false truth.
I know how stupid I will sound if the truth comes out and can handle the consequences like a big boy.

But yes all of you who plan to attack the quality of this work go ahead I'm right there with you. This was created to find good debaters and spark a few good quick arguments.

To be continued............

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reply to post by seangkt

It's the same argument I have for a creator.
I choose not to follow religion or believe in a creator because I don't condone blind faith. Ey experiencing what I have in life I choose to not believe in things that no one can prove for sure.

You are so wrong...you can't make a comparison like that...the exact reason I don't believe in any religion is because none of them can be proven...all they usually have is a book and nothing more...that is truly what you call "blind faith" my friend...let me quote something I said recently where a christian was concerned about the overwhelming "anti-christian" attitude on ATS:

Dude...people don't have enough evidence or witness testimony to believe Aliens have visited Earth...when IMO, there is more than enough witness testimony from highly intelligent and respectable people...and extremely amazing accounts where hundreds of people have been present...The Battle of LA for example...or the 52 kids all seeing a UFO land, and Aliens get out...not to mention all the extremely mind-blowing crop circles and leaked Government documents...I reckon even if a UFO lands on the white house lawn, people will still deny the truth and say it was a hologram or something...

But Christianity...that's a different story...there is absolutely no evidence to support it...merely a book which IMO, was clearly written by man without the help of God...so please forgive if I don't believe in something I can't even confirm as the truth...have you ever considered the possibility that it is COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY wrong...every word of it...what happens then? You were believing and following total lies most of your life...wonderful...but what am I saying, I mean, you MUST be right huh? I for one will never claim the bible holds the truth because I have absolutely no idea...that's why I also will not state that the bible does hold the truth...I have no idea...although, even if it did contain the words of God at some stage...it's obviously been highly modified by Man since then...and you're following lies anyway...so good luck with that...

There is a distinct difference here...there is an abundance of evidence...maybe not 100% conclusive evidence...but when you bring all the less-conclusive pieces of evidence together...it has value which cannot be ignored...the bucket of evidence is overflowing...

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Why is that not comparable? God and ETs. Both are claimed to exist, both are claimed to have created life, and both have never been seen. Still though, people choose to mold their lives around the idea of god and heaven and ET believers still debate and insist that aliens are real and still nothing with a real et has ever been shown on film or picture or anything.
Religion was not really meant to be compared but once I type anything about god or a creator I usually let people know I don't condone religion either. My choice of religion on facebook is Council of Nicea.

"There is a distinct difference here...there is an abundance of evidence...maybe not 100% conclusive evidence...but when you bring all the less-conclusive pieces of evidence together...it has value which cannot be ignored...the bucket of evidence is overflowing... "

One time, with all the proper coincidences and misleading evidence, I had completely convinced myself that someone did something they totally had never even thought to do.I confronted them about it and felt extremely dumb. I will not go into the extent of this story but my point is, if you want to believe something bad enough or if enough of the right coincidences add up anything that can be considered a logical, but not necessarily true idea can seem true.

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Why would the Aliens want to intervene in our pathetic lives and let us bring them down, when they are probably happy doing what they do. I'm sure they don't want more problems to deal with, especially with humans who do nothing but destroy each other.

reply to post by seangkt

Why is that not comparable? God and ETs. Both are claimed to exist, both are claimed to have created life, and both have never been seen.

Both have never been seen? So I suppose the millions of people that have seen UFO's and Aliens don't exist all of a sudden?

Here's another crucial difference between God and ET's:

God - Obviously some higher type of being operating on physics and aspects of reality we don't yet understand.

ETI - Perfectly possible.

Still though, people choose to mold their lives around the idea of god and heaven and ET believers still debate and insist that aliens are real

Wrong again, ufologists or "believers" don't mold their lives around the idea, well maybe a little, but it can't be helped when one starts considering life universally. But it is no different to studying physics, we are learning about the things we enjoy, whether as a hobby or as a professional. The physicist also molds his life around that which he studies...it's no different to any other subject, and it perfectly fine to be interested in it. At least it doesn't dictate how you should live your entire life based on only one book...that's what you call religion...do you get the difference yet?

And it's not like we don't study other subjects. My favorite topics are probably quantum physics, electrical engineering, programming, philosophy and metaphysics.

still nothing with a real et has ever been shown on film or picture or anything.

I would beg to differ...there are hundreds of unexplained videos and photos out there...I believe some of the NASA footage contains extraterrestrial space craft...and I've seen a lot of interesting home footage...there's obviously going to be some hoaxes...but that doesn't mean they all are...

I usually let people know I don't condone religion either

I don't condone religion either...

if you want to believe something bad enough or if enough of the right coincidences add up anything that can be considered a logical

It has nothing to do with wanting it bad enough...that is a poor excuse...my beliefs are well founded and the result of years of research and investigation...I have reached the most obvious conclusion...Occam's Razor wasn't it? Are you telling me there is a more likely explanation for all of these "coincidences"? I think you are the one fooling yourself pal...

reply to post by amfirst

I agree...to an extent...

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why haven't aliens made official contact.-the prime directive.

Originally posted by Blueracer
I have come to the conclusion that we are not being visited by "space aliens". I know that such a statement will get me cyber crucified by the masses that have fallen for all the propaganda. I am okay with that. It happens.

Propaganda is when someone has an ulterior motive and is trying to sell you a bill of worthless goods - so to speak. Telling you aliens or flying saucers are really here is not propaganda. No one gains anything from this. We don't get anything extra if you believe or not.

People disagreeing over whether or not something is from outer space is not in any way shape or form propaganda. Now if aliens are behind the argument they don't exist that might be a form of propaganda since an ulterior motive might be present in that case.

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And if by "falling for the propaganda" you mean accepting credible evidence and arriving at the reasonable deduction that includes life other than "ours" is responsible for much of what has been witnessed and photographed over the years...yes - hook, line and sinker -I have fallen for the "propaganda".

Originally posted by seangkt
reply to post by danielsil18

 

I know the government would hide this. It's the aliens that I don't see as hiding type.

Yeah.....hmmm. What makes you think you know how an Alien would think? What exactly is your "insight" based on? There are many suggestions to why an alien race would remain covert. 1. Perhaps they have no wish to start a panic; 2. Perhaps the government is offering them some resource that they need and in exchange they volunteer to stay hidden. 3. Perhaps they have a strict policy of nonintervention. Imposing your own expectations and motives on an alien is especially arrogant because it's based on unfounded assumptions.

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If there are aliens, they would want to be kept secret for a very good reason..because the warmongering human planet would try and kill them before anything else.

And then they would be forced to exterminate humankind.

Has anyone thought that maybe they are keeping a low profile because they actually want to SAVE the world and humans?

Originally posted by seangkt


1. First off I have read over and over that humans were possibly genetically created from an advanced alien race.
This idea alone makes me wonder why aliens would "abduct" people for studies if they created us.

2. Alien space ship fleets coming towards earth viewed by google earth. If aliens were here and trying to keep quiet or have been here do you really believe they would just show up in a fleet on satellite cameras that are available for the public to see? I think not.

3. Mutliated animals found and considered to be caused by aliens. Have you guys never heard of psychopaths or maybe some random, not local, but close enough predator to have come and decided snack time was needed.

4. Life is beautiful, so quit wasting time on nonsense and fairy tales or aliens coming to earth and stuff like this and go put time into studying and writing about something useful like maybe financial, poltical or scientific issues. I believe the dumbing down of america is a conspiracy talked about on here and I hate to say it but stories like these aren't making people look any smarter.

Your categorical refusal to consider otherworldly sources for some of what happens here simply shows you have not done too much in depth investigation before arriving at this hasty, ill conceived and inaccurate conclusion.

1. WE made Dolly the Sheep. We continue to study Dolly. We did not release her into the wild and say "Well there she goes..." We keep track of her. Were we created by another race or species, certainly they would monitor our progress (or lack thereof)

2. Here you pretty much contradict yourself and state a case which actually goes a long way toward answering your own question.

3. Do you think you are the first person to suspect these mutilations might be malicious pranksters? Do you think the farmers and the local police, the veterinarians are all involved in some big conspiracy, or maybe they are all too ignorant to understand what you do about these cases. This is actually where I know you have not really done any in depth investigating yourself or you wouldn't touch this. Experts in forensics with all their high falootin fancy equipment, and are the ones saying these mutilations are impossible to perform without leaving clues like footprints or blood.

4. Aliens make life here NOT beautiful? What does the beautiful life have to do with people thinking for themselves and not believing everything they are told unquestioningly? Falling in lock step with simple minded souls who demand something like actual intercourse with an alien before they "believe" they exist is not exactly my idea of a free thinker or (and I hate to say it) a person of very high intellect.

What would you do if you heard yelling and screaming in someone's house?

Just gonna charge in? Leave the neighborhood? Just watch?