Last man on Moon says Buzz Aldrin went to Mars

reply to post by fieryjaguarpaw


Part 2

Lets call that shape W.

Reminder... X, Y, Z, R, T and W.

But wait... We can't still go in there like Rambo on a gun shop with discounts! We still have to worry about the heat from friction!

Let's be optimistic again... Lets use the vanguard system that the SPACE SHUTTLE uses, light weight and very reflective of heat.

One layer of weird looking coverage ALL OVER the aircraft.

Okay... Now you made your "airship" that has the capability of going to Mars and head back.

But first, you need to ask Buzz to hit the brakes... because you need a BIGGER (than usual) runway to land. I mean, can you imagine this baby coming down from the skies? SS is a miniature compared to this and that lame thing uses parachutes to slow down in the runway...

but WAIT, lets get the real numbers. All this things weight, and the PROBLEM of going to orbit or to another planet, is the weight leaving Earth because of the thing this guy Newton invented...gravity.

So, you have to add the weight of all factors. X, Y, Z, R, T and W...and S if you count the shape thingy with the anti-heat cover.

That aircraft, would weight up to 200 ...get ready for this... THOUSAND TONS!

Plus, it would look ANYTHING but ordinary, plus it would be a massive and weird project and most of all, you could simply choose this:



(can you imagine, a USSR spy or military looking up the sky or to photos of this 747 and thinking: "oooh...that's so cute. The Americanz are flying their "airship" again! You gotta love american industry! Bigger and better!")


OR this:




Either way, the idea of a plane that can go to Mars, or even the Moon, or even orbit, is simply...wrong on all basis.

It's possible? Yeah, to have plane that can take off and go away? Yeah! Absolutly!

Would it look like an average aircraft and be unnoticed? Big, redundant, explicit, NO.



(Btw, in case someone dreams about the SS taking off the 747, that is used to carry the SS around. It's impossible to take off from the 747)

MAYBE BUZZ ALDRIN LITERALLY WENT TO MARS...

www.mars.com...

...Maybe he fell on hard times, couldn't get a job and ended up packing sweets and chocolates for MARS INC., the manufacturers of Mars Bars. Perhaps he finally found a place he was happy, with great staff.

reply to post by Tifozi


The idea of a space plane is that it would use jets to bring it to the edge of our atmosphere. The jets would then be shut down and rocket propellant fired up. The jets might then be ejected, or kept for the return.

Like I said earlier, if they sent the supplies, and return launch vehicle ahead on unmanned craft, they wouldn't need a huge space craft to take men to Mars. Instead of sending one large craft, they could several supply stations, and three manned modules, with two men in each. This would create triple redundancy, should one of the craft develop problems. They would then hook up with supply catches along the way there and back so that they avoid having to carry large amounts of supplies.

With a vigorous training program, they could avoid the bone deterioration. Develop special suits applying atmospheric pressure, that when strapped to the floor of the module would simulate Earth's gravity.

That's how they did it.

reply to post by poet1b


Okidokey...



Now how is that going to go under the radar, with that kind of activity going on (you know that the military aren't the only ones looking up the sky and space, right? Especially after the people got excited over the man LANDING ON THE MOON), and how is that ordinary?

I fail to understand this duality of concepts and judgement of "keeping a secret" like a massive operation of going to Mars, and this ideas of incredible Hollywood notions of aviation...

...with, gear and air vehicles that look "ordinary".

[edit on 3/2/10 by Tifozi]

reply to post by Tifozi


According to this guy, there have been thousands of launches since the seventies by the U.S. alone.

www.book-of-thoth.com...

we have 119 + 3182 + ~7000 + military launches = A LOT!

Maybe some of those ICBM tests weren't ICBM's at all. Do you have any idea how heavy a nuclear bomb is? Maybe an ICBM look alike could carry a supply probe into orbit?

Maybe they found a cache alien technology on Mars, and that made it all worth the effort. Wouldn't want the Reds to know about that.

reply to post by poet1b


How big a nuclear bomb can be? It depends on the power, not in the fact that it is a nuclear bomb. And don't mix Atom bombs with Nuclear bombs.


Anyway, accordingly to your idea, the "Reds" wouldn't even notice (or any civilian with a good telescope) the train of pods going to Mars? Nor the multiple launches made in days?

They could detect a nuclear missile launch, but not 5 to 10 rocket launches carrying all sorts of cargo?


...right.

[edit on 3/2/10 by Tifozi]

First of all, the fact that "Obama"has cut out the plans to go to the "MOON" and "MARS" that's just fine, and "Why" would i say something like "That's just fine"??
Because "Obama" has already been "briefed" That "WERE ALREADY ON THE MOON"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We already have the "BASE", and"ALREADY" have the "VEHICLES" for the transportation!!! That's why he was able to do something that doesn't make any sense to the rest of us, at the moment!!!! We'll Just have to wait, for the "Disclosure" to take place, "Very Soon"!!! Some people talking trash about him, he's not as stupid as some think?Disclosure is coming,"sooner" than we think!!!

reply to post by Tifozi


How powerful a nuclear bomb is depends on how much uranium, which is very heavy stuff.

If the ruskies had seen the train going off to Mars, what would they do?

Tear down the Berlin Wall maybe

Any amateurs reporting such sightings would be attacked as goofs by people like you.

reply to post by poet1b

How powerful a nuclear bomb is depends on how much uranium, which is very heavy stuff.

So, according to your logic, 5kg's of uranium is heavier than 5kg's of c4? Is that it?

If the ruskies had seen the train going off to Mars, what would they do?

Tear down the Berlin Wall maybe

Right. Because the US were all brave and didn't fear USSR nuclear arsenal. I wonder from where the "Cold War" term comes from.

Any amateurs reporting such sightings would be attacked as goofs by people like you.

You mean, by professional pilots that actually know what they are talking about?

Shameful world. I'm not even going to sleep well tonight.


And please, if you can't argue with reason and knowledge, don't even bother replying.

OK I didn't read all posts because it would just be a waste of time however, if you are an "old" guy who, at one stage, ate, drank and lived MOOOOON and then said Buzz wants to go back to Mars (NOT VERBATIM) why not slip and say SUN or PLUTO or VENUS but... MARS!! A favourite camping spot for conspirators.

AND who says that if he did go to Mars that he used "earth" technology? Whether it takes 10 years or 7 months we are basing that on our technology assumed we KNOW of tech that will get us there before we die of old age.

So all told, and alien tech we may have, space ships we may have - who says he couldn't do it in a week or 2 weeks. Now there is also a question about a runway - perhaps there is no need for a runway.

OR perhaps they just beamed him up there and then back again. If we consider how much tech is so far beyond our comprehension and what we have been exposed to - because our minds would just NOT be able to process what it is - anything is possible - right? Don't go off now and take my email literally but think about it - let's stop thinking how he is going to do it because a carburetor needs air flowing through it so it can mix the fuel and air etc etc and space is a vacuum etc etc etc... think outside the box

Perhaps it was a slip and meant to say Buzz wants to go to Pluto.

[edit on 4/2/2010 by shearder]

Originally posted by Tifozi
reply to post by poet1b

 

How big a nuclear bomb can be? It depends on the power, not in the fact that it is a nuclear bomb. And don't mix Atom bombs with Nuclear bombs.

Despite an explicit warning not to mix up a nuclear bomb with an atomic bomb, you did it anyway:

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Tifozi

 

How powerful a nuclear bomb is depends on how much uranium, which is very heavy stuff.

The power of a nuclear bomb doesn't depend on the amount of uranium, that would be an old style atom bomb.

studysupport.info...

Question 10

Is there a difference between an atom bomb and a nuclear bomb?

Yes, atom bombs create their destructive power by means of fission reactions.

nuclear bombs (or thermonuclear bombs-to give them their proper title) are more powerful and work by the process of fusion.

To spell it out, uranium is a fission fuel, not a fusion fuel. Therefore Tifozi makes a valid point that nuclear bombs need not be all that heavy.

Therefore your theory that ICBM launches are secretly being used to shuttle up large mission to Mars payloads isn't really supported if the ICBMs are designed for nuclear warhead payloads, but they are apparently capable of launching a satellite:

LGM-30 Minuteman

The U.S. Air Force has considered using some decommissioned Minuteman missiles in a satellite launching role. These missiles would be stored in silos, for launch upon short notice. The payload would be variable, and would have the ability to be replaced quickly. This would allow a surge capability in times of emergency.

reply to post by Tifozi


LOL, you are a hoot.

5kgs of Uranium or Plutonium is tiny compared to plastic explosives. An Atomic bomb is very heavy, even a small one. If you had a clue what you were talking about, you wouldn't be making this argument.

Russia wouldn't even be tempted to start a nuclear war over a string of vehicles secretly heading towards Mars.

Large numbers of professional pilots have reported UFOs, and yet people like you refuse to believe any of them.

Me, I am ROTFLMAO.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Even Fusion bombs are very, very heavy devices. While recent technology has reduced the size of the weapon, we are talking 70ties technology. An ICBM carries several bombs.

How hard would it be to beef up a Minuteman to boost something bigger into orbit?

If this was a slip of the tongue why would he say buzz twice that he wants to go back to mars if it was a slip he would have corrected himself straight away. Especially the second time he said it. Now if you guys are going to say oh it takes about 7 to 9 months to get there people would have noticed him missing wouldnt these guys do alot of training for space missions.

Also you guys go on about UFO's if these are indeed real which i do believe they are wish i could see one then wouldn't they have an inprecidented amount of techs that we know nothing about. Especially when the stealth bomber was made in the 1950's and yet wasn't seen in combat till the 90's surely that question would have to be asked.

Well I would have to say let's stop saying UFO because though we don't know I sure as hell believe the government(s) know!!

We may as well call them IFOs!!! We need to move away from UFO - perhaps to us they are unidentified but then again they are identified - as flying vessels - LOL... a baseball that whacks you "upside" the head and knocks you out is a UFO until you see what it was

Originally posted by Common Good
I was actually watching that show thismorning.
He did not only say it once,but TWICE.

makes ya think dont it?

He did say Back to Mars bu then said Back to the Moon and on to Mars.

I think it may have been a slip, though I would love to think we have been there. (TO MARS)

Whats more interesting, IS NASA and the Gov hiding the fact that there is a lot of plantlife on Mars? Water? Is the NWO planning to take Mars as theirs?

reply to post by Arbitrageur


I explained my self wrong. What I meant was to not confuse the original "Atom Bomb" Aka Little Boy with modern nuclear warfare, that can even be fitted to a fighter.

reply to post by poet1b

5kgs of Uranium or Plutonium is tiny compared to plastic explosives. An Atomic bomb is very heavy, even a small one. If you had a clue what you were talking about, you wouldn't be making this argument.

It was a joke, you need to have some sort of intelligence to understand humor.

Joke -> 5kg's of nuclear material weights the same as 5kg's of c4.

Russia wouldn't even be tempted to start a nuclear war over a string of vehicles secretly heading towards Mars.

I find hilarious how people get dillusional and start with different fases of denial.

Russia wouldn't attack the US over some space travel, but it would attack under the launch of a rocket/missile that they couldn't figure out what it was.

You know, since you guys claim that the US was keeping this a secret, and even used a "aircraft" (I still laugh at this one) to hide it, the USSR had no clue of what was going to be launched, THAT can be considered a act of war.

If you aren't able to see past the obvious, I'm sorry, but there is no point in arguing.

The whole concept of the cold war was that the moment one of the countries STARTED the launch sequence of a missile, the other would also start, that was the kind of surveillance they had.

A beyond secret project, with no knowledge to the Russians, would be a DANGER to the whole world, thus the public awareness of the whole space program. If you know it's a space rocket, its okay... If something else is being launched and you don't know what it is, the Russians could have panic and launched their nukes.

It's painfully obvious.

Large numbers of professional pilots have reported UFOs, and yet people like you refuse to believe any of them.

You see, you just made an idiot of yourself.

Because, I'm actually one of those pilots who have seen a UFO while in flight. Better than most cases actually, it was a 2nd kind of sighting.

The issue here, is that I'm a hardcore believer in UFO's and aliens.

What does that mean? It means that nobody can't make me believe that there isn't life out there, looking to the size and magnitude of the Universe, and even possible Universes, according to some theories.

BUT that doesn't mean that I'm an idiot, trying to use everything in my mind to "prove" to the world all the CT's that emerge in this forum.

Some are very good, some have very good bases. Others, are just plain stupid.

The story about man going to Mars when it was almost a MIRACLE to go to the Moon with the technology they had at the time is stupid, with all due respect.

Going further than that, and claiming that they had a average looking aircraft capable of reaching Mars is ridiculous, to say the least.

I don't have a problem with people finding the truth, I love this debates, I love answering questions in my areas of expertise, like aviation. I don't want to sound arrogant, but I do love to educate people in this matter and give them the TOOLS to find ou the truth.

What I do dislike, is peolpe acting like idiots, and trying to push a stupid idea forward, just because it fits in their dreams.

I LOVE ufology, the possibility of ET presence, influence, techology and whatever. I LOVE to discuss those topics.

But they must have some basis of knowledge and reason, not just throwing ideas to the air, trying to find one that sticks to the wall.

THAT is the problem with Ufology. The people bringing stupid ideas that spend time debunking, that make US (yes, me and you, believers) look like idiots and loose the help from good scientists.

I do think that they are projects that are beyond what we know, I'VE SEEN ONE!

But I don't see any pixel in Moon photos as alien bases. I don't see Mars cities in bad pixels, and so on.

I LOVE to speculate, and think about UFO's and aliens. I love it! I love the ancient connections to weird stuff, and so on.

What I dislike, is people DON'T KNOWING MORE than what I KNOW and telling me that I'm a closed minded person just because I don't follow their dreams and dillusions.

While I do love to speculate, I also hate when people speculate and say "this must be the true, and you're an idiot".


Honestly, a lot of people in ATS should see this video about Neil deGrasse Tyson. Enough said.

Originally posted by Malcram

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Its a 5 year trip to Mars

Edit- Or maybe that was one year? Cant remember

[edit on 2/2/2010 by OzWeatherman]

Not according to some people. But then you'd have conspiracy upon conspiracy, Buzz secretly going to Mars...***snip***

I believe that the Mars Room is adjacent to the Moon Room on Wright-Patterson Air Force base, where the first fake moonlanding was filmed.

Problem with the fake Mars Mission is that some of the key footage got messed up and it was too obvious that it was a fake. The Buzz Mars Mission was therefore kept a secret.

Originally posted by Tifozi
***snip***
What I dislike, is people NOT KNOWING MORE than what I KNOW and telling me that I'm a closed minded person just because I don't follow their dreams and dillusions.

While I do love to speculate, I also hate when people speculate and say "this must be the true, and you're an idiot".

I'm always thrilled and laugh a lot when I see posts with text that concludes something like "This phenomenon is unexplained and can only be an alien craft".
The poster explains it and claims by default to be an expert in all the the fields of science in one sentence.
Priceless.

reply to post by Tifozi



Wow. What an unpleasant and rude post. Not to mention you contradict yourself all over the place.

You say you belive in aliens and have seen UFOs, you claim that you know about secret technology, but then say these things are impossible.

I enjoy speculation as well, and was about to continue throwing around ideas with you and posting links to stuff, but after that last post I'll just let it go.

Thanks for repeatedly calling us all stupid idiots over and over. Go on believing you know everything just because you fly an airplane.