do Birthers suffer from advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage?

over 3 minutes in and stewart does nothing yet so far to prove anyone wrong, he simply mocks them, just like people online seem to be doing

he wastes nothing but 3 minutes of time so far accomplishing nothing but mocking

a very immature way to go about a very serious thing in my opinion, i will struggle through the rest of this video to see if anything evidence wise comes up

This thread made me chuckle. Nice try. First off, I hate the word "birther" because it sounds like something a dungeons and dragons nerd would make up to describe someone they don't like (you know, cool people). Also, how can anyone who thinks that Obama was Kenyan born and not American born automatically be schizophrenic? That's a more serious accusation than the original premise (Obama being Kenyan born). Schizophrenia is no laughing matter, and neither is a non-naturally-born citizen being president. None of that matters anyway, though, because there is a law somewhere that states if a child in the US reaches a certain age and no one has challenged his/her citizenship, he/she automatically becomes a naturally born American citizen. So the argument might be over...

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Dramey

 

think of it this way:

You have newspapers confirming he was born (newspapers from 1961 that is)

You have Hawaii state officials confirming that his birth certificate is on records (they cannot release his BC, they don't have that authority)

Only Obama can. So, why play your games? Why should Obama care enough to play your games?

Personally, i think it's a better strategy to let people start coming up with wild insane theories and supporting them like a religion, to make themselves, and those who agree with them, appear all the more insane and not worthwhile.

You have evidence to prove he was born here. Why isn't the concrete evidence you have good enough?

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he is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA'S PRESIDENT

and he is the one playing games

if hawaii doesnt have the authority to release it and obama is the only one who does, and obama has not released it or acknowledged the situation, then he is allowing this speculation

that is irresponsible, stupid, and an incredible waste of time, on top of being incredibly insulting to every american who ponders the question


he works for us, we ask questions, he should answer them


if he is legally born, he has NO reason to not release the documents, by not releasing the documents, to me, looks INCREDIBLY suspicious


to me it incredibly suspicious that the one person who can end the whole debate, with one single document, is not cooperating and releasing that document

we are not talking about something small, we are talking about a major situation here and nothing but games are being played

that is uncalled for, immature and irresponsible, not worthy of someone who has the title THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT


i never questioned his eligibility until other began to, and now seeing the reactions, and outcomes of these questions, i have no choice but to doubt his eligibility, solely on the fact that he is responding the way that he is, by choosing not to prove the people wrong, when it would take 5 minutes of his time

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[edit on 3-2-2010 by Dramey]

Originally posted by Dramey
over 3 minutes in and stewart does nothing yet so far to prove anyone wrong, he simply mocks them, just like people online seem to be doing

he wastes nothing but 3 minutes of time so far accomplishing nothing but mocking

a very immature way to go about a very serious thing in my opinion, i will struggle through the rest of this video to see if anything evidence wise comes up

If you'd have watched the entire vidoe - you'd see where the facts come into play

but i wouldn't expect you to be brave enough to admit you might be wrong.

Watch the entire thing - write down the facts, and then disprove those FACTS

then we could continue this discussion

Originally posted by Snarf

Originally posted by Dramey
over 3 minutes in and stewart does nothing yet so far to prove anyone wrong, he simply mocks them, just like people online seem to be doing

he wastes nothing but 3 minutes of time so far accomplishing nothing but mocking

a very immature way to go about a very serious thing in my opinion, i will struggle through the rest of this video to see if anything evidence wise comes up

If you'd have watched the entire vidoe - you'd see where the facts come into play

but i wouldn't expect you to be brave enough to admit you might be wrong.

Watch the entire thing - write down the facts, and then disprove those FACTS

then we could continue this discussion

i dont have to disprove facts

there are no facts

you said it yourself

the only one with authority to release the document is obama

these are yours words


obama has not released them, thats what you told me


there is only one reason obama would not release them

I took the birthers seriously for a few months, but like many came to the conclusion that it's a wacko movement, driven primarily by racism and hatred of democrats. There is definitely a lot of hatred coming from the birthers.

The state of Hawii has verified that Obama was born there; his birth announcement was even found in an archived edition of local paper. But here's the main reason I think birthers are wackos:

No matter what proof is presented it will never be good enough. They'll say everything is a forgery. A couple months ago someone tried to present a "Kenya" birth certificate for Obama, and somebody who was an expert on forged documents totally ripped it to pieces.

I've never understood why birthers want to believe there would be a conspiracy in the state of Hawii to come up with a fake record of birth. Why? Why believe a document from the African republic of Kenya, which was still a British colony at the time of Obama's birth that was in the process of rebelling against the British, over one from an American state? I can only think it's because they want to believe nonsense. And when people want to believe nonsense, it is usually driven by hatred.

reply to post by Dramey

if he is legally born, he has NO reason to not release the documents, by not releasing the documents, to me, looks INCREDIBLY suspicious

So a certificate of birth, newspapers from 1961, and hawaii state officials all confirming his birth isn't proof enough?

I can say this until im blue in the face. So ill say it one last time - and be done with it:

You have all the evidence you need to prove that you're wrong - you are just unable to admit that it's true.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Dramey

 

if he is legally born, he has NO reason to not release the documents, by not releasing the documents, to me, looks INCREDIBLY suspicious

So a certificate of birth, newspapers from 1961, and hawaii state officials all confirming his birth isn't proof enough?

I can say this until im blue in the face. So ill say it one last time - and be done with it:

You have all the evidence you need to prove that you're wrong - you are just unable to admit that it's true.

no its not enough because in court they are all debatable

there is ONE piece of evidence that is not debatable, but by your own admission obama is not releasing that information

i can say that till i am blue in the face

why should we settle for evidence that would not hold up in court


if this went to court, there would be one document used to settle the situation

that is the document in question, until that shows up, there is no legal evidence either way

when you go to the dmv to get a license what do you need?

have any of those documents been shown in obamas case


no

so if its something that wouldnt fly in the dmv, why should it fly when talking about the united states of americas president?

reply to post by Dramey


Actually - the mantra of a court is "beyond a reasonable doubt"

having government officials testify that they can verify his BC is valid and on record woudl stand up in court

state officials testify on their word all of the time...happens every day.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Dramey

 

Actually - the mantra of a court is "beyond a reasonable doubt"

having government officials testify that they can verify his BC is valid and on record woudl stand up in court

state officials testify on their word all of the time...happens every day.

so if this went to court

an officials word would be enough?

lets be honest here, if we were in court right now

a health officials word would be enough? no documentation would be required even though it is easily available?

no i dont think so, there would be a request for the document, it would be subpoenaed, and the true results would be found out

am i wrong? what would happen if this was in court right now today?


i am not saying obama was not born here, im not saying he was

im saying, why cant they show proof either way?

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reply to post by Dramey

why cant they show proof either way?

and im' saying "they have"

Just because they won't play "your games" doesn't mean "they're hiding something"

reply to post by Snarf


All I have to say is this.
This thread is not as good, compared to what you normally write, snarf.
I enjoyed all your previous threads, save this one.
Sorry.

I don't know if its your personal allegiance to the POTUS, or not.
I personally think that this guy is a fraud from square one.
Don't really care where he was born; He has NO experience, nor the background for this job. He was never in his Senate seat to even vote on things, he "duped" people into thinking he was the "cool" president with all the TV ads, air-time and "celebrity-like" status.
Good god. Maybe you could call him, narcissistic.
Bad choice by the people.
Look at all the promises he kept!

Oh yeah and I like how you got that title..."Advanced Delusionary Schizophrenia with Involuntary Narcissistic Rage"...

From Jim Carrey's character in the movie: Me, Myself, and Irene.
That's what he suffered.

Just pointing that out.

Good job.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Dramey

 

why cant they show proof either way?

and im' saying "they have"

Just because they won't play "your games" doesn't mean "they're hiding something"

so youre telling me in the court of law the document i am speaking about wouldnt be required?

i am not playing any games, i am asking for one piece of evidence that is available, however those who can produce it, have chose not to for one reason or another, and the only reason that makes sense to me is that it would not be produced, if it doesnt exist

if it does why not produce, when it wouldnt take him more then 5 minutes to produce

a simple phone call from him would be sufficient to produce this document to the world

that would be indisputable evidence, and it would be something that people could plaster everywhere in the world

anytime anyone would try to question anything, all someone would need to do is copy and paste, and you would have irrefutable evidence


personally i want the evidence for the sole reason that i know, that is the sole thing, that would end this debate

no matter what you or i say, no matter how intelligent either of our stories may be

we both know, without that document, this debate will not end


*and i will say that you do a good job for your side* ( i wish to stay neutral, however it is hard to, when i cant think of a legit reason, as to why he wouldnt produce that document)

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reply to post by havok

I don't know if its your personal allegiance to the POTUS

i have said, several times, in this thread that i don't side with Obama.

Just because i disagree with someone on their stance of Obamas citizenship

doesn't mean that i agree with Obama and his methods.

Please don't be so fast to draw such a conclusion



From Dramey

we both know, without that document, this debate will not end

Actually - i know without a doubt in my mind - even with the document - the conspiracy would continue to thicken. "It was faked" "you cant trust the government" etc would be the new battle cry

Thats why this movement is playing games.

You could have been in Hawaii, on the date of his birth, cut his umbilical cord, and you'd still be standing here claiming it didn't happen.

Games.

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Originally posted by Dramey

no its not enough because in court they are all debatable

there is ONE piece of evidence that is not debatable, but by your own admission obama is not releasing that information

There is very little that is "not debatable" in life. I was born in Dayton, Ohio. If I show proof of my birth there it's still debatable. Somebody could have slipped in a forged birth certificate for me. Somebody could have told a local paper on the day of my birth that I'd been born there, even though I really hadn't.

That's why I say It's quite obvious no matter what evidence is produced the birthers will always demand more. They'd just move the goalpost like they have before.

So it's a complete waste of time and, at this point, it is both pathetic and laughable.

reply to post by Snarf


Are you posting this out of personal concern of the dangers of schizophrenia and narcissistic rage? If so, please tell me about other threads you've created about mental disorders. Or, are you posting this as a way to personally insult people you don't agree with on politics? I think you created this topic to offend, not to help. And from the responses, I think you succeeded.

The fact is, Obama can make up whatever certificates he needs at any time. His "proof" means nothing. Its too late and we'll never know the truth. Even if he long form birth certificate were gone it could just as easily mean its been stolen by an opponent. Unbelievable that you put any faith in the documentation of a politician... especially the one with the highest rank.

Obama has rather uncomfortable ties to at least two other foreign countries. Regardless of whether he was born there its even worse than that... he lived in them for years of his childhood... he didn't violate the constitution but he is in violation of the spirit of the constitution because he has questionable biases to foriegn countries. The only comfort is that they are not major foreign powers.

reply to post by civilchallenger

he has questionable biases to foriegn countries. The only comfort is that they are not major foreign powers.

Really? So - he made the choice himself to live there? he decided at a ripe young age that "im going to go live in Kenya"?

He decided to do all of those things, so it must mean that something like 40 years later, he knew he was going to win the popular vote & electoral college to become the first black president of the united states?

The only way his childhood connections with a non-threatening foreign nation can be at all questioned is if he knew, way back then, that he'd be running for POTUS and win.

Otherwise, he just went where his parents forced him to go.



and just because i don't participate in EVERY forum on this web site doesn't mean i don't have an opinion about every topic discussed here.

Don't be so ridiculous




[edit on 3-2-2010 by Snarf]

Originally posted by ClintK

Originally posted by Dramey

no its not enough because in court they are all debatable

there is ONE piece of evidence that is not debatable, but by your own admission obama is not releasing that information

There is very little that is "not debatable" in life. I was born in Dayton, Ohio. If I show proof of my birth there it's still debatable. Somebody could have slipped in a forged birth certificate for me. Somebody could have told a local paper on the day of my birth that I'd been born there, even though I really hadn't.

That's why I say It's quite obvious no matter what evidence is produced the birthers will always demand more. They'd just move the goalpost like they have before.

So it's a complete waste of time and, at this point, it is both pathetic and laughable.

well theoretically it may be debate-able, but legally it really isnt

if you have to go somewhere as basic as the dmv
or in the court of law
if he produced that document, it would take several steps to dispute that situation further

i just dont see how it can be laughable when we are discussing the president of the united states, this is a very serious situation


people act like its unheard of or an impossible situation, but we've had a president in position illegitimately before just think about bush


the potential for abuse is there, for us not to question things, would be lazy