do Birthers suffer from advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage?

here is how this argument has gone:

Snarf
Here is why i think birthers suffer from some form of mental illness


Birthers
You Government loving whore! Screw you - show me your PhD!





Snarf
Here's evidence to prove he's a citizen

Birthers
SHOW ME PROOF! YOU LIE SHOW ME PROOF




Your responses are doing nothing but supporting the diagnosis set forth in the OP

Please re-read it again - birther responses fit it to a T

reply to post by jsmappy


you sir are the subject matter of this post

reply to post by Snarf


another star....

angry and delusional... two great words for these nut jobs

Originally posted by Snarf
here is how this argument has gone:

Snarf
Here is why i think birthers suffer from some form of mental illness


Birthers
You Government loving whore! Screw you - show me your PhD!





Snarf
Here's evidence to prove he's a citizen

Birthers
SHOW ME PROOF! YOU LIE SHOW ME PROOF

All this according to the unbiased observer with no stake in the thread.


Oh wait, no, it's "Snarf" telling us how "Snarf" has handled his thread so far...

Originally posted by seethelight
angry and delusional... two great words for these nut jobs

Oh come on, you're turning "nut job" into a meaningless phrase.

[edit on 3-2-2010 by bsbray11]

reply to post by Snarf


Your arrogance precedes you.

The people pay the bills, which gives them the right to question everyone, and everything the government does.

Just because people question it doesn't mean anything, we all know the government can create any damn paper or propaganda it wants and use the MSM to sell it, just as easily as YOU bought it. People don’t believe the government for good reason, so you come here calling them names and labelling them as crazy. Well good for you, just from reading this post anyone should be able to see the narcissism in the words you spew.

If you’re so good to point this out then why aren’t you good enough to let it go like you do the crazy preacher on the street preaching end of days, what makes you so upset that you have to resort to low blows and name calling yourself.

Don’t you think people are sick of your side as well, the we believe whatever our leaders tell us, we believe Saddam has the weapons even though none were found, the sheep follow and find another excuse after excuse to preach that in their mind it’s ok to kill for their needs.

There is too much info for someone in the center to agree with the papers shown, the info leans more to him being non eligible. Headlines from years ago saying Kenyan born for senate seat.

You, imo seem like a debunker for some cause that has nothing to do with "the people" and more about what you want to believe. Its seems you can’t handle people questioning the integrity of their leaders, its seems you can’t shut off the fact that some people will believe whatever the hell they want and it’s up to you to respect it or not. Hell millions of crazies running around talking god this and god that and your upset about something that may have merit. Why not the same title about religious peoples. We all know there is no shortage of their bull#.


For one second put the shoe on the other foot, what if it’s true that he is dismantling the country in order to prepare for one world government? What would you do, sit back and trust that they have your life in their interests HAHA good one. Put it on the other foot, you should be looking at these people (well the morally sane ones anyway) as patriots that want to ensure their country survives, and I’m not talking about racist, political haters left or right, I’m talking about the average Joe that wants his answers simple and to the point, not hidden using millions to ensure it is truth, even the fact that he or someone in his party paid for it shows something isn’t right.

Obama used 700 million dollars to win the elections, doesn’t anyone see something wrong with this, 700 million is a lot of back scratching. 700 million ensures any lie will be spread as truth on a mass scale. I bet you believe 19 men with box cutters kill 3000 in the WTC, and that Osama was the master mind.

Im sure Chuck Norris knows the answer to this. We should ask him.

You know the funny thing is...

If Obama where to be a "good president" in the minds of the haters, I'm sure nobody would care if he was American-born (except maybe the racists).

If he would have saved America and made it what it's supposed to be, people wouldn't care if he was "legit" or not.

I think that comment sums up this argument perfectly.

reply to post by Snarf


Just curious and on the same line of mental problem discussion.

Do you masterbate when you make threads or posts that put down anyone that believes in our Constitution and the order of law?

Do you get real jollies trying to lead a socialistic view that is just a mental distraction of the real problems in your life? Because of this, do you find yourself easily fooled and lead on by some professional conman that applied for a job, and you do not have the sence too check out his resume?

First off. I would like to welcome the newest member of "Big Gov" to the site and thank you for starting this thread just to get my blood pressure boiling. It's nice to know we are not alone and always being "looked after". Secondly. This thread shows exactly what is wrong with the people of our country and why America is doomed. For anyone to say that this is not an important issue is clearly not...well, not thinking clearly. This is important not because of race, not because of political party, but because of the interests of our country.

We can say all we want about other countries and their leaders. but they atleast realize that you can not have a foreigner leading your country. Imagine what a benefit it would be if we had an American in countrol of Irag for all these years. Or if next month we could get an American leader to take over Iran. It would be awful for them but great for us. We would have a lot less to worry about if we could install an American in China as well. But the Chinese might not feel so safe anymore. The difference is that none of those Countries are dumb enough or politically correct enough to let it happen.

This is a huge issue. Especially given the fact the he has Muslim ties and background, Praises Islam and Muslims at every opportunity, and refuses to show anything from his past. And, it just so happens that we are being attacked by MUSLIM EXTREMISTS. See why that's important people. Imagine if we had a president that agreed or sympathized with them and wanted to give them American rights too. Oh wait, we do.

What I don't understand is the people who give blind loyalty to a individual or party regardless of what that individual or party does or stands for. If and when the shtf, it will splatter on you as well. Your loyalty means nothing to him or them. You will go down with the rest of us. The only difference is you will go down still thinking your are better than the rest of us. If you ask me, those are the ones who have a mental disorder. At the very least. They are the ones who are Unamerican and who will be directly responsible for the fall of our Country and the loss of our freedoms. It's called enabling.

People people ... do we really need to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside over this issue ... again?

This isn't that complicated, it has gone before the courts a stupid number of times and they found the whole thing to have zero merit. For some that is good enough, for others it isn't. For the latter that is precisely the seed of the conspiracy.

I linked an article in the first page, it seems that no one has taken the time to read it, or at least no one (that I have noticed) has taken the time to refer to it. It may not be accurate but it does address the psychological element of the conversation.

I understand that isn't as fun as saying 'no you are' back and forth, but ... ultimately it doesn't really matter. ALL of us on ATS and probably everywhere could be categorized in a nice convenient little psychological category ... if anything there is where this conversation has the most merit.

Look at what the end result is and how folks have been approaching each other. If the idea was to divide us by political dogma, the way to have each other at each others' throats by calling each other crazy is with their science to back it up. It is the same strategy!

For god's sakes, everyone here could be accused of the same ... liberals > delusional, independents > dangerous non-conformists ... it all points to the same ultimate end game, those who conform and those who will need to be marginalized and dealt with.

Surely we shouldn't help this endeavor by attacking each other here!

Plus ... birthers are adorable, haarpooners are crazy! (j/k)

[edit on 3 Feb 2010 by schrodingers dog]

Originally posted by j2000
reply to post by Snarf

 

Just curious and on the same line of mental problem discussion.

Do you masterbate when you make threads or posts that put down anyone that believes in our Constitution and the order of law?

Do you get real jollies trying to lead a socialistic view that is just a mental distraction of the real problems in your life? Because of this, do you find yourself easily fooled and lead on by some professional conman that applied for a job, and you do not have the sence too check out his resume?

Now THAT really contributed a lot to the discussion. Very level-headed of you.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by jibeho

 

Lou Dobbs also asked for some answers as well. Does that make him crazy?

is that a serious question?

Lou Dobbs proved his insanity a long, long time ago.

Sorry Doctor. I didn't realize that you have diagnosed Mr. Dobbs as well. Perhaps I will search for your thread on that diagnosis.

The first tower is already down and now you are dissing your own supporters within your thread.

Just out of curiosity, what is your diagnosis of posters in other conspiracy threads on ATS? Say perhaps those that believe in bizarre moon anomalies and mysterious moon bases on the dark side of the moon.

[edit on 3-2-2010 by jibeho]

reply to post by Snarf


I don't know what "birthers" suffer from, Snarf. I don't consider myself as such, only a person who has questions that should be easy to answer -- questions whose answers remain elusive. I don't claim President Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, I simply don't know for certain.

There have been mounds of evidence to back up the fact that Obama is, indeed, a natural born, full blooded American citizen. There are state officials that confirm it, documents that prove it, and newspapers that printed it on the day he was born.

True. There is evidence that supports his claim of being natural-born. There is also evidence that supports the idea that he is not, or more accurately, evidence that demonstrates that he has and continues to hide something from the American public.

schizophrenia as defined:

a severe mental disorder characterized by some, but not necessarily all, of the following features: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations.

Source

they certainly fit the disorganized speech and delusions part, and since it must comprise of "sum but not all" characteristics, i'd say this is a open and shut case.

schizophrenia - CHECK

You paint with a very wide brush, Snarf, attempting to label anyone who doesn't share your conviction regarding the President's eligibility. I could continue to point-counterpoint in this manner, but I find that to be counterproductive, and your post to be somewhat self-congradulatory, even as you cast labels to shoar up your opinions.

I have to agree with you to some extent in that I don't think it's unfair to surmise that some of the people who oppose President Obama are racists, and jump on nearly every rumor, photo, smear tactic or blog trash about the President and embrace it. I don't think those folks make up the core of the set of people who see his "transparency" for what it is -- a sham, a collection of words without supportive actions.

And to top it off, i find it rather ironic that the same people who believe the earth was created 7000 years ago and that Noah crammed billions of pairs of animals onto a boat to survive a flood are all coming out and telling us that they have "proof" that Obama is not a citizen...

So now, anyone who questions the transparency of our President is lumped into the subset of Christian conservatives. That's a bit of a stretch, even for your slanted rhetoric, isn't it? So ALL (your words) those who believe a Biblical account of history are racists and also birthers. I think you do yourself a real disservice, and this thread should be moved to the "rant" forum. I think you'd do better to express your opinion, rather than to attempt to characterize the opinion of those who disagree with you.

If you believe (and it seems as if you do) that there is absolute proof existing that President Obama has nothing to hide, then you are in a unique position to really do some good. This issue is dividing the country, and that, in my opinion, is a severe detriment to the workings of the United States at a time where unity and decisiveness is paramount.

You are in the position of being able to enlighten those with questions. Think of how wonderous that could be -- to be able to actually help others, help the country to be whole again. Certainly, there are those that will never accept anything other than their view. You can tell who they are, sometimes, because they tend to insult others -- a basic strawman argument -- villify people and their opinions and people like that seem somewhat less likely to debate and discuss, as their minds are made up, regardless of the subsequent information. You're not like that, though, are you? You're willing to have an intelligent debate, and surely the truth is more important that being right, isn't it?

So, in the interest of putting some of this ongoing conflict to rest, would you please research and provide, at your convenience, any of the following:

1. President Obama's college records
2. President Obama's thesis
3. A credible document which demonstrates the hospital of his birth and/or the presiding physician.

There are, of course, many more items that would be equally useful, but those three would go a very long ways toward settling these issues. After all, there is really no reason for the holder of the highest office in the nation to have sealed any of these items on the first day of office is there? I can see why his SS number should be withheld.

I was on contract to the U.S. government for several years. I provided all documentation that was requested, and it didn't take any time to speak of to compile them. What would I have done if I couldn't produce any one of the key documents? Well, I wouldn't have applied for the position. I was not that important and there were surely dozens of others equally qualified, whom I'm sure had to go through the same background checks and such. I didn't have to have someone produce a single document for me; I had them already.

I think it's possible some of my friendships here at ATS have been damaged by my stating my opinions on this issue. Within this and other threads are people who don't seem to have a difficulty with calling others "stupid, fools, schizophrenic, idiots, morons, etc. etc." for having questions, even in spite of that being an obvious violation of the T&C here. No, I'm not a victim, it's just an observation of the one-sidedness and frequently the hypocracy of some people who have the faith and fervor of popular opinion. Yes, I agree that the majority of people do seem to believe in President Obama.

Myself, I still have questions. Questions that could be settled easily with a single document. That would finish it for me, done. I have difficulty imagining why anyone wouldn't have questions, with so much being hidden. My faith is not that great.

Cheers

Humilisunus;

I really hate to blow a hole right through
your last statement when you made
the mistake of saying anyone still in
the middle with all the evidence against
his eligibilty.

I believe he is the rightful and legal
President of the country for this
main reason.

I was born in General Wood Army
Hospital, Fort Leonardwood, Mo. Even
though it was federal property my
birth certificate states I was born
in Pulaski county Mo.

As far as everyone else crying about
this long form birth certificate I know
that is a load of crap because I do not
have one. The copy I have and used
for everything from passports to joining
the military is 5 1/2 inches by 8 inches,
basically a half page. It is black with
white text. Are you going to say I am
illegal.

Not every state has the same form and
you all need to understand that.

reply to post by Monts


Agreed great point!

The people have right to know, and if its covered in litigation and secrecy then people get curious, I personally don’t care if he’s legit I care about how he shapes the world and by his track record it looks like a lot of death in the future to come. People don’t believe him because he lied about everything he said while running for the job. That’s why people don’t believe him, but how could they in the first place he's a politician, his job is to lie. Because his lies were the words they all wanted to hear and they knew it when they wrote it for him.

I think he's a citizen, I just think he has travelled so much and spent so much time other countries people want to believe he is from another nation.

Now the damning info, he is in fact related to Bush and Cheney, which for me cast a shadow of doubt on the whole thing. Related, keeps working on the same policies, has brought more debt, and won’t answer unrehearsed questions. Ignores the cries of the people, and carries on with TPTB status quo agenda.

Originally posted by ClintK

Originally posted by j2000
reply to post by Snarf

 

Just curious and on the same line of mental problem discussion.

Do you masterbate when you make threads or posts that put down anyone that believes in our Constitution and the order of law?

Do you get real jollies trying to lead a socialistic view that is just a mental distraction of the real problems in your life? Because of this, do you find yourself easily fooled and lead on by some professional conman that applied for a job, and you do not have the sence too check out his resume?

Now THAT really contributed a lot to the discussion. Very level-headed of you.

Thank you.
I put it at the same level as the OP.

Just want to add to the post by Humilisunus regaring the 700 million for his campaign. Do you also realize that roughly 20 -25% came from foreign countries and interests. China, Indonesia, United Arab Emirates, Gaza, Kenya, Russia, Saudi Arabia, they all contributed to his campaign. Over 50 nations did. Including the Tamil Tiger Leaders which are considered to be the biggest or most successful terrorist group in the world. They all contributed to his campaign in a significant way and they all have an interest in America having a weak or unloyal president. Which is really funny when you consider he came out whining about the Supreme Court ruling last week talking about how foreign interests could determine our future president. It's actually still forbidden. The Supreme Court did not change that. The only reason he thinks it could happen is because he took illegal foreign donations and assumes everyone else will too. That's called projection. Snarf, you really want to keep this going?

reply to post by schrodingers dog


I do not understand why anyone would say that there is any abnormal psychology associated with wanting the president to meet the constitutional qualifications for the office.

Nothing "psychological" to discuss about it.

A great number of people simply do not believe and with valid reason that he meets the constitutional requirements and are upset about it. It is not only the birth certificate issue..it is the fact he has spent over a million dollars to keep from releasing anything but the one that was proven to be a forgery.

In addition.. there is the matter of a long list of things where he has sealed records and refuses to disclose his background.. not to mention the use of approximately 40 different Social Security numbers. Not much been said about that YET... but it is the bomb getting ready to blow up in his face.
His grandmother worked at the Probate court in Hawaii and had access to the social security numbers of deceased persons and all the information needed to access and use them. The number Zero most used was one that was issued in Connecticut to a man who would now be 120 years old.

So you can make threads with your psycho-babble all you want to but the fact is we have someone in the White House we know next to nothing about.

When are people going to realize that it doesn't matter if a D or an R is in the White House? They are both merely two different sides of the SAME COIN.

Originally posted by j2000

Originally posted by ClintK

Originally posted by j2000
reply to post by Snarf

 

Just curious and on the same line of mental problem discussion.

Do you masterbate when you make threads or posts that put down anyone that believes in our Constitution and the order of law?

Do you get real jollies trying to lead a socialistic view that is just a mental distraction of the real problems in your life? Because of this, do you find yourself easily fooled and lead on by some professional conman that applied for a job, and you do not have the sence too check out his resume?

Now THAT really contributed a lot to the discussion. Very level-headed of you.

Thank you.
I put it at the same level as the OP.

What you should do is actually READ the OP. REASONS are given for what he says. They are not given for what you say.