My expiriences from 10 and up

reply to post by Wandering Scribe


Nope I am merely trying to help them awaken and thus that is all my friend

nothing more and nothing less. It is their choice if they want to or not so I do not see your point.

I can become anyone or anything I want to become and a person like you Scribe and ac500 will not stop me. For I believe and I will not let anyone tell me otherwise thus I am who I am. I do not lie about my experiences and the only aim of my thread is to help people to become more aware, to wake up and become who they truly are. So if you have something wrong with me helping people wake up to who they truly are and what they can do by giving them an advice. Then you have somethings to figure out as to who you truly are. I mean all you do is pick on a 18 year old who is sharing his experiences and is helping people. Honestly that outlines the no life policy and I am sure this is why you are here to do because you have nothing better to do then annoy people who are trying to help.

Love and Light as always.

you are not helping by claiming you have "anime-type" superpowers, that does not help anybody, you are a complete nutjob.

reply to post by ac500


Do you think that is air you are breathing now?????

Have you ever breathed true air and not what air it is you are breathing. The real air is like energy a liquid comprehended beyond the human mind. For it is as if a smoke/ liquid in a way that is inhaled by us all and it is a mere energy. Thus we breath energy that is what we call air and many will not realize this to a full extent until they start to wake up to the true reality. Everything is energy strips, dots and codes of energy for it is a mere plane of existence that hides within our reality.

See not with the eyes you have but with the true eyes you have been given from birth. Seek out that true self is an important key to the understanding of this world for what it truly is within its own shell. For what we learned and what we thought we have learned is far off the truth that is given to us by all around us.Your self, the universe is one inside you, we are only aware of ourselves, when you free your mind allowing it to see as a human population, a planet, or the universe then you'll know. It's beyond words, beyond my description. For I can only show you the door and yet you must be the one to open it. There are many others like me and people who have awakened to the truth. We are here to help and yet some will not accept it. The time will come soon when many will realize the truth and see that they were wrong to ignore. Yet still it is your choice to accept the help and nudge now or later. In due time you will have to make the choice anyway.

There is much to be learned by all sides of what we call life and thus yet what is truly life. It is a illusion time of tests, tasks, missions and assignment to help us advance through out the universe also spiritually. Thus we must think as to what we think, believe that you are stronger, faster, smarter and anything you want to become for do not think you are know that you are. For it is growth inside us that will be the assessment of how well we did in this life , past or the next. Yet the past does not matter for it is the now and future we must look in together to build the better world.

Love and Light I hope you will wake up to the true reality soon. Good luck

Seriously ShadowNinja, when you "borrow" so many lines from superhero comics and movies, do you think it adds to your credibility?

I agree with Dr Slim. You are a complete nutjob.

Or you haven't read my (and others) posts, because you're still brushing aside all evidence we present exposing your hoax/delusion. Ill just say, evading isn't going to work any more. The burden of proof is on you, and time is ticking.

[edit on 19-5-2010 by ac500]

Originally posted by ac500
Seriously ShadowNinja, when you "borrow" so many lines from superhero comics and movies, do you think it adds to your credibility?

I agree with Dr Slim. You are a complete nutjob.

Or you haven't read my (and others) posts, because you're still brushing aside all evidence we present exposing your hoax/delusion. Ill just say, evading isn't going to work any more. The burden of proof is on you, and time is ticking.

[edit on 19-5-2010 by ac500]

You havn't presented any evidence of anything and sharing his expereinces is not a hoax. Also this is actually the way this Universe is, who is here, and what its about, including the way back home. So, its up to you. Seriously, very negative, opionated, closed minded people who think they have the right to put down others.

There is no burden of proof, just sharing in the grey area. You get the happy happy joy joy of truly searching yourselves, however......you can't do it from that mindset, so find ways to free your minds up and then look within.

reply to post by Wandering Scribe

Scientific fact is neither a distortion, nor is it a belief. Scientific fact is exactly as it states: a valid, proven, testable claim of verifiable authenticity.

Scientific fact? I see a lot of flawed theories that get blown out of the water with quantum findings, but nobody adjusts anything. So in the end you have these two separate trails of science, one for the slave crafter, mechanic type, and the other exotic where the real stuff happens. By the way my uncle is a psycist, so I tend to know the way real scientists think. They don't state, factoids, nor do they use credo's to halt exploration, those are the controllers over their heads. They ask very fascinating questions and connect many dot as supportive evidence, but the science you keep quoting ignores all the questions and keeps maintaining an illusion and a lie.

I don't believe you believe this, I believe you are a disinfo agent, so you know but are a part of the suppressing team, because of your Kabbalah type esoteric mystery school knowledge. However if not, nudge the walls on your box more, you owe to yourself.

Once again, I do not block his sharing. I merely point out that a first-person testimonial, without corroborating evidence does not make for a valid scientific fact.

Grey area! Testimony comes to mind. In addition, people will continue to share what they experience, remember and understand to nudge others irregardless of the closed minded skeptics/disiformant agents, whatever category they fall in.

ac500 is an engineer. This means he has studied, worked with, and now utilizes skills required to work with electronics and cutting edge technological machinery.

I am a history fanatic. Meaning that history, culture, anthropology and comparative religions are all well within my range of topics. I am also quite knowledgeable on neurology and various other scientific forums.

I know what an engineer is and that has no relevance whatsoever to this, my uncle was a physicist.

Skyfloating is a history buff, and author and is a lot more open minded than you, though I don't expect when someone share experiences that everyone including him would agree. Its not actually the end result of ideas that is important, for many are on their own level of development, and this Universe and the Beyond is about doing it my way! which means we have our own roles and development for the paths we will follow in progression.

Its really more important that as people wake up and or get contact, they share if they are nudged to do so, for the reason that others think out of the box more and start to push past the matrix.

Yes, yes. The day your extra-terrestrial buddies finally decide to quit speaking through ignorant and plainly unhelpful guides.

I am not only far from ignorant, and also far from unhelpful, you know me not. And your insults are your own rudeness, reflect on your development, not mine.

The difference is he is no longer "telling a story", now he is directing people on how to live their lives, and what to believe in.

This is a very negative world with controls, doors shut and locks on them in our minds, run by sadist/fascist/controllers. I know who they are.

He is not forcing anyone to run out and do as he is prompted to right, but he is reaching into his heart and writing from this Higher Self at times, and the energy signature is distinct. That is only a good thing and more should do it.

Also, where there is strong darkness there will always be strong light. You may not understand what I'm saying, seek it in your heart!



Ego, I will say that again. You argue ruthlessly going for whatever you consider weak spots in a very psychic and developing (ie flexing his goodness muscle ) kid like a pit bill, with strong mystery school opinions. I call that ego. Plain and simple.

He, though much younger, has demonstrated such amazing grace in reaching HS and tapping calm and mature beyond his years responses to you.

You should try it yourself. If you want to ask me, you're just a u2u away. I can suggest simple ways to get used to tapping within to your Source and learning how to write past your obvious stubborn blocks and tap into yourself. Its often reflective of a download.
Even if you wrote a lot of gibberish for a while it would be very liberating, like a breath of fresh air.

Also, there are very good ways to get into your right hemisphere more, art, music, finger painting, but I wouldnt suggest a fine detailed image, but more, colors, collages, being intuitive with them, those liquid ink watercolors work great for exploration of colors. The key is exploration. You may have a break through extraodinaire yourself.

[edit on 19-5-2010 by Unity_99]

Originally posted by Unity_99You havn't presented any evidence of anything and sharing his expereinces is not a hoax.

That is true, I have not presented evidence that ShadowNinja is legitimate, because I do not believe he is. Duh.

Now if you mean I have not presented evidence that he is a hoax, that's not true. Many of us are posting quite a bit of evidence, all of which seems to have been ignored to date.

The rest of your post is mad ramblings. Allow me to demonstrate:

Also this is actually the way this Universe is, who is here, and what its about, including the way back home. So, its up to you.

What is the way? What is up to me? I don't want you to give me a 3 page explanation of babble though, I'm just pointing out that this makes no sense.

Seriously, very negative, opionated, closed minded people who think they have the right to put down others.

This is not a sentence. It's like saying "Seriously, people who have cats."

If it meant that I'm negative and close minded, then you couldn't be more wrong (in fact that would be either arrogant or stupid, depending on whether you actually read my posts dealing with SN's Iron Man suit delusion - where my open-minded offer to him to prove himself still stands).

If you meant that I am not a delusional nutcase who has lost all grasp of reality, then I must admit you are correct.

There is no burden of proof, just sharing in the grey area.

When ShadowNinja poses himself as an authority in one way or another, there most certainly is a burden of proof if there is any question to the authenticity of his claims.

Similarly if I claimed to be a professor of software engineering but the only technical details I ever published about computers seemed like complete nonsense, the burden of proof would fully be on me to explain myself in one way or another (which if I was legitimate, would be very very easy).

So sorry but ShadowNinja has no excuse any more.

By the way my uncle is a psycist, so I tend to know the way real scientists think.

Then you'll know that they don't support unfounded claims blindly. They test them.

You are correct that there is no such thing as scientific fact, except for pure evidence/data (which is certainly true in of itself, it's left to be interpreted). But to say that elephants can fly, for example, against all known data, would be grossly incompetent and quite frankly stupid.

Similarly ShadowNinja's claims go against all data gathered by years of experience from woodwytch, myself (in reference to his Iron Man suit thing), and others.

Hence all "burden of proof" as I mentioned earlier is on ShadowNinja, requiring that he provide evidence that demonstrates how we are wrong and he is in fact right. If such verifiable evidence is provided, just like any good scientists, we will accept the findings and review their implications.

But to date no proof / evidence has been supplied other than subjective "experiences". You claim through your uncle you know of the scientific method and frame of mind. Tell me, does science base itself on subjective "experiences"?

[edit on 19-5-2010 by ac500]

Hey there SD ... still waiting for a link or elaboration on your statement about ET teaching the monks about meditation ... and which group of monks did this apply to ???

Look forward to your reply.

>>> Unity

Originally posted by ac500

Originally posted by Unity_99You havn't presented any evidence of anything and sharing his expereinces is not a hoax.

Now if you mean I have not presented evidence that he is a hoax, that's not true. Many of us are posting quite a bit of evidence, all of which seems to have been ignored to date.

What you've posted are opinons and you've also used the things he is still exibiting normal human male boy interests over, that he believes is real enough, psi balls (which probably had more bearing last summer than now, for he had telekinsis and scanning ability and the situation was alarming, since he was also negative. Something that only testimony can be given for, but it is.

The iron suit, who cares! Teenager! Male at that! My kids all thought it was a great idea, but thats something that boggles my mind. However, I don't clip his or their interests or wings. Savvy? As a very female oriented person I get kind of mystified by these obvious age and gender related interests, but don't feel I'm supposed to stamp maleness out of people, or force them to fit into my boxes and expectations. Not when its their life, their journey, and some of ones who think like this, given different circumstances, training and resources may invent some pretty interesting things if they don't allow others to inhibit them.

He decided to start this thread on his own inner nudgings, and I have honor, so even if I think something should be questioned, I won't lie, he's got some pretty unsual skills, such as oobe's in your house, that I experienced, and mind scanning, ones in the beginning, a few times he walked in when I was on the computer and told him I seemed to be getting ready for a check up, my contacts actually asked him to not interfere at one point. And knows things via memories both attained by seeking and also given by guides, that are very interesting and given by others. Woodwytch may have come on in a negative fashion but that was nothign short of amazing when he went on ats for the first time, her thread, and remembered her and named her a name from Atlantis and I have the u2u she responded with saved. That was the name. They did speak and share memories.

Also, lots of coincidences. The relics of Atlantis, for example. The sword of Olympia stirred some very strong deja vu feelings in me, though how, or why I don't know, and I'm not convinced with his memory about this.

Orionfi wrote to me about his stirrings as well, and a strong tie to Atlantis, and SN could probably turn around and name him if the signature was right as well.

Now you don't have to believe them, you don't have to be left in shock over things like this, because you guys have a pretty closed mindset. Those with open ones, suddenly have questions and trails to explore once these things open up.

The rest of your post is mad ramblings. Allow me to demonstrate:

Also this is actually the way this Universe is, who is here, and what its about, including the way back home. So, its up to you.

What is the way? What is up to me? I don't want you to give me a 3 page explanation of babble though, I'm just pointing out that this makes no sense.

You havn't read my posts, and the metaphysics and quantum reality about here, the school and the Universe. That sentence is not mad ramblings. The full explanation of what I've been downloaded and discovered is in my signature, the two threads listed there.

If it meant that I'm negative and close minded, then you couldn't be more wrong (in fact that would be either arrogant or stupid, depending on whether you actually read my posts dealing with SN's Iron Man suit delusion - where my open-minded offer to him to prove himself still stands).

If you meant that I am not a delusional nutcase who has lost all grasp of reality, then I must admit you are correct.

I stand by what I said. Coming on rude and calling people delusional, nutcases, arrogant, stupid etc etc, is basically quite common on all sorts of threads in the grey area, from ufo abductions to many others. Its really predictable, on time, and deliberately negative and controlling. If you don't like someones metaphysics or personal testimony thread, find one to your liking, but don' think you have the right to insult and badger people who are sharing what they can their memories, and how intution and experiences happen, Et ones, astral ones, visionary ones, etc etc.

I don't have my own thread about my experiences because of people like you, and tend to write them to support others primarly, which is actually hard enough. Because of the level of rudeness on threads that many find interesting so its up to you to chose the information you like, but not to stamp out the voices of those you don't, that is nothing sort of censorhip. Because sharing is hard, many people duck and dodge after posting, and only check back in a bit, because they really don't like negativity.

I'm only surprised at how well SN can maintain his calmness and respond so well, and even with humor at time. )

When ShadowNinja poses himself as an authority in one way or another, there most certainly is a burden of proof if there is any question to the authenticity of his claims.

Authority, he is stating his experiences, and opinons about them, mixed with some of his interests, like developing some kind of armor, or inventing things, pretty hard to do without a lab or workshop by the way as he can in his words. Also, he writes out of his heart, the signature is of Higher Self at times, though coming through his vessel and more immature level.

He does not have to go around saying, "I think", "Its my opinon that its this way" for everytime he writes in a personal testimonial way, thats a given, and he can just clearly state things.

Find another thread if you cant be more positive or find some more metaphsycal, et oriented, spiritual oriented, questions, instead of insulting, and calling people down, based on OPINION!

reply to post by woodwytch


First of all, his experiences are not mine. I don't need to find validation for where the idea comes to him that meditation is an ET knowledge taught and don't know whether that is true or not.

My et experiences are always going to be testimony, and I will never be providing proof, that is unless there are very good, non black op types who can prove they are not vrill, who have funding to do the more intensive tests for implants and regression therapy on me and my children, for there would be some very interesting and cooberative evidences then.

They don't offer this for a reason. We all know why. Nor will that stop me from sharing my expriences. That is the whole purpose of the Grey area. Though the kind of skeptics that are on here, definitely make people think twice about starting their own threads, my various testimonies are skattered about, on ET_MAN's thread, Lowki's threads, and a bit here.

His advice to Lauren for example did open the doors to searches and contact herself. However, he did not even think to tell her to be careful. He did not warn her that she could leave herself wide open to any kind of influence or entity, and I had to jump in and point out she needed to go within her heart to her Infininity within and seek her Higher Self. It was within, not wihtout she should seek, and work on raising her frequency and becoming love to all, not fear, so that she would be protected. I also encouraged sungazing. Also going out in nature is a great advice, but having a young woman out alone by a river is not something I would ever encourage in this day and age.

He is told quite a bit by me to do the same thing, to ensure he is also not being "merged" by affected by something that is not himself or positive as well.

I think he's in school right now, by the way.

[edit on 19-5-2010 by Unity_99]

I haven't commented for a while, i've just peacefully followed; i have one mouth and two ears so i can talk half as much as i listen.

I think this thread is coming to a climax, we've got more people commenting, more people posting their opinions on SN's experiences and generally the tone and atmosphere of the thread is getting a little tense.

I don't want to pick sides here, but it is becoming increasingly hard to not.

Having spoke to SN privately through U2U's etc, i would like to ask him to highlight something i find, well, quite frankly rather amusing.

ShadowNinja, could you please discuss - in detail - your opinion on Evolution? Well, in particular, why Evolution is false?

Firstly, i'd like to state that Evolution is a scientific fact. Most people are under the impression that evolution only occurs and has only occurred in "humans" and it is responsible for turning us from apes to what we are now.
Evolution has been observed.

I think for the ease of the discussion, it is safe to label you a Creationist, as you believe we were all created by aliens, seemingly instantly. Don't get me wrong, i believe this could quite possibly of happened, but i must point out that even though this may of happened, evolution is still a fact.

Here are a few links, explaining how evolution works, and how evolution is a fact:

Observed Evolution
Misconceptions

Onto my next point then.

I don't believe anything you say is a hoax. I believe you well and truly believe almost everything you say, but i do believe you, like all normal people, have the tendency to exaggerate certain things; such as the Iron Man suit. Therefore i will not deeply interrogate you about the suit, because i just believe you got carried away with one subject and tried to impress people with what you believe you could do.

Unity;

I have to admit, i believe your retaliation to WanderingScribe's logical responses to things is rather childish. Labelling him negative and calling him an "experience crusher" etc is silly.
I know what you're trying to do. When you were 5 on the playground at school, and you were always told to "blank" the bully. I believe in this case you are just blanking Scribe as you see him as a type of bully, a predator who wants to ruin everyones experiences and spread disinfo? Am i correct?
In my opinion, i don't believe this is the correct repsonse to someone who defies you. You talk of standing up to the Government, the darksiders, yet you can't hold your own weight over a computer screen on a forum? If you can't hold a discussion online, how in hell do you expect to hold your own against the reptillian government who will stop at nothing to take us all down? Sometimes you have to stand up against a force that opposes you, not remain quiet.

I think the real problem with the "experiencers" on this thread (and granted, we are probably all experienecers of something, but you know who i mean in this context) is their lack of ability to take in information.
If something has happened to them, they seem to only believe the "paranormal" explanation to things, rather than addressing other, more logical explanations. Sure it is cool to believe ETs are doing everything to you, but sometimes things aren't because of them and are as simple as them seem.

I don't want to call you guys liers, or hoaxers, i simply want to try and inform you that a skeptical approach to things is not pure evil and that things do happen normally.
I don't want to be accused of blocking your ability to share experiences, because by all means, i'm all for it, i just want you to take into account logical explanations aswell as paranormal explanations.

I'm out of characters, if i think of any more points, i'll continue on my next posts.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Very good timing, to read a friends post DClairvoyent, at this time, with a message he gave that was from the heart beautifully put, that pertains to everyone, including Shadow Ninja. He takes chances and shares his many visions as well, and is someone who has had some of the fema camp type visions that SN has had as well, though we all hope this can change with awareness and waking people up.

would just like to say to everybody including the non-believer's that a message from within, why do we all make it hard for oursleves? Just follow your Heart/Soul its that easy, follow the nudges/feeling's that feel right and full of courage and love for evrybody including animals and insects too.

Yes, follow your Hearth/Soul, and the nudges, inspirations, messages, and inner feelings that feel right to you.

That is what Shadow Ninja is doing on his thread, though is path and expiences are different in some ways than mine, than DClarivoyent's, for we are all the Infinite Rays, Family of Light as unique as snowflakes, though same and similar too. Furthermore we all have our own understandings, struggles, ways of interpreting the world, belief structures, and in additon, polarities, with extra luggage we carry through from previous experiences, but....each day is a new one, a new page to be written on, a new hope for new growth.

I suggest everyone find ways into their own hearts, and souls to question what they're here for and how they can assist this world, its people, the most themselves.



[edit on 19-5-2010 by Unity_99]

reply to post by OrionTri


I believe Scribe brought up the evolution "theory" some time ago, and SN posted a series of very interesting quantum physics findings, that pertain to this very question. I think the question has already been answered x number of pages back in this thread.

To ac500 and Wandering Scribe, it isn't fair to place judgment on someone else's experiences. There is never going to be proof that he truly has experienced what he has. It's not for you to judge. I've been confused and had my doubts, but then I think of how foolish it would be to turn my back on this, when the experiences are right in my hands. I know what I've felt and seen. No one can take that away from me, regardless of their opinions.

Obviously, your skepticism is understandable. But, you really need to watch how you approach these things. Because I've seen an unbelievable level of coldness and judgment. Particularly towards Unity, who I truly believe has had these experiences. She's pretty much been called crazy up front.

Scribe, I truly do believe you are looking for the truth and you yourself have said you remain open to things. But you don't act that way. Unity shared her story about being abducted and how she was forced to have a child. Despite your beliefs, you certainly don't approach such a thing in a negative and cold manor. Because you never know. You don't sound very "open" when you're harsh like that. That's just my opinion though.

Also, okay, seriously the whole Iron Man suit thing is starting to really get old. He's a teenaged guy. He's going to like these things, get excited about these things, and develop these ideas. As for the technicalities of making it, he himself has said he's not begun actually physically building it. He's got a general understanding of how he'll build it, and once he's in the process, I'm sure he'll get a better understanding of how he'll proceed. For now, let it go. Because in the grand scheme of things, it's really not relevant at all actually.

And you guys can say that this detail is what makes his story flawed, but how do you not see that he's a teenager, with teenaged ideas, in the midst of swimming through a bunch of new information? He doesn't know everything. And a cool idea, is simply a cool idea until it gets developed.

Now, if he'd said it was ready and was all fixed up, ready to use, that'd be different. But it's just an idea, and when he wants to take it further, I'm sure he will.


[edit on 19-5-2010 by LaurenVirgo]

reply to post by LaurenVirgo


Polite, nonforceful skepticism and aggressive blinded bullying are two completely different issues. They're behavior is not what I call skepticism and I don't respect their approach to this in the least.

The incidence you referred to indicated something along the line of a child took place, including details that I didn't share on this thread but were more woman's things that I shared with you. But, I don't know for sure. I discussed this with ET_MAN, and he said that it was very common, as I suspected, for masked memories to be given. But considering the intense mental gymnastics I had to go through and get out of scene after scene arranged by them , during this, all the while freezing to death on what felt like a hard like surface, I can't imagine what was taking place under the masks. Just to be on the safe side, I prayed and sought help and protection for any possible daughter for I would not wish her in negatives hands.

Having missing cylces for 2 1/2 months several times in the past, waking up with massive bruising on my thighs, huge bruises that turned dark then yellow, and sickly while the healed, and numerous other things without knowing why in the past leads me to suspect that this has happened before.

Though I want to add there is far more that is beyond human understanding and human ego about this Universe, the Infinite channels and the more advanced beings in it, without even going into negatives.

Remember how I said he called humans insects, this is a nordic looking man, actually quite beatuiful, quite cold and somewhat ruthless in his phsycological games, they constructed. Who knows what they really look like. The amount of soure/soul/Light that is within us here on this much smaller level is miniscule really. And this is more reason to be very careful about your approach, and to always go within your heart/soul, inward, not outward in your searches. The only contact that is beneficial really, is your family grouping, and you can understand what I said about the inifinite roll of film (allegorical) of our lives where we can only exist in one timeframe at a time. This is quantum. Well, there are future us's out there, and some of them watch over us here, from within the DVD, and all of our Higher Selves, and even Higher Higher Selves from the Beyond.

Some short while ago I saw a black triangle in the clouds, just on the outer layer, then it transformed into a manta ray. These crafts are Orion Priesthood, Beleguese or Belatrix, type systems. Very large stars and consciousness. And that was the feeling, signature I got too.

When discussing this with ET_MAN, he said something very odd, we were discussing living crafts, or amino acid crystal technology.

This is a metaphor, but picture humans being convinced to go aboard a craft and journey somehwere, the Intelligent living, possibly like a giant insect, craft, interacts with mental hijacking of the senses so they imagine staff and many scenes, and they transport humans like micro-organisms to another system.

Now,that isn't a pleasant thought, and it surely would cause the more egocentric arrogant human mindset that they are the top of the evolutionary chain some massive red outs, and it is allegorical, but.......can you see where I'm going with this.

We don't know enough, its far better to STAND STILL, and not react, and seek who we are inside, truly, why we're here, and my threads on waking up to source, and the steps are there.

I just read a dream/possible experience on Lowki's thread that sounded similar to an Orion priesthood in looks, tall nordic women with reptilian eyes, some say cat eyes. She said we were like ants, (boy that sure reminded me of my conversation with that nordic male), and only concerned with materialism, cars and status and jobs. Yet, the topic sounded like it was said in an effort to wake us up.

But, the amount of energy signature in our models, software body and in their is quite massively different. My experiences, with the ets, I always kept trying to explain their expanded consciousness. People would say things like, this was some kind of ego or manipulation. No, it was specifically that they were, expanded Light signature, bigger, another level.

If we are like, blades of wheatgrass, or I prefer to say a grove of foxgloves, they're the next level, bamboo, or my preference, lilacs, or the next level, a grove of aspen, or the next level, a grove of giant redwoods, to the very stars in the sky. Allegorically, speakin only. Progression.

Yet, some of them are here, with smaller slivers of self participating in this testing grounds for a variety of reasons. And its a hard test. So I don't understand the callous way of treating their brothers and sisters, also. To me the greatest person in the Universe is found by seeking the smallest more controlled and needy one.


[edit on 19-5-2010 by Unity_99]

reply to post by Unity_99


That's exactly what it is. It seems like bullying to me. No one ever gets anywhere by being mean and not understanding. I don't understand it actually. There's no point to being harsh that way.

Honestly, the whole experience sounds traumatizing. I find it very helpful and interesting to know about your experiences, because it's teaching me to be very careful about this. I'm lucky that the most that happened that night of my encounter was just a bit of paralysis and the ET was on his way. Could have been much worse.

Gosh, I always find your posts so intriguing...

A lot of posts have popped up on here since I went to work 8 hours ago. I'll do my best to respond to everyone in as concise a manner as I can below. If I miss anything, I apologize.



@ Lauren

Look, I understand that you've had unexplained occurrences. We've shared that much through U2U. I'm not against you believing in the extra-terrestrials posed by Shadow and Unity. I'm really not.

The message of love and compassion for everyone is very altruistic. Heck, it's almost Buddhist in nature (and being a big Buddhism lover myself I can really appreciate a message like that).

My worry is that the conspiratorial aspects of this message keep getting more and more incriminating. "Love and compassion for all" is good. Meditating is fine. Trying to commune with a Higher Self is A-OK.

But fearing an oppressive, invisible, regime of twisted creators and genetic manipulators? I'm sorry, but I just can't accept that such a force could take full control of the entire human race without someone noticing and blowing the whistle.

I know, you'll say "this is us blowing the whistle". OK. Sure. If I knew that the government was composed of insidious villains who manipulated my every living, breathing emotion, thought and sensation — I would go somewhere other then ATS. Like the media, the newspapers, magazines, cable TV, the White House.

Conspiratorial talk like this thrives on a forum like ATS for one reason: the conspiracy claimers know that they'll be believed here because they don't have to back up their claims.

As for Unity and her forced-pregnancy. Has it ever occurred to you I didn't bring that up, because I don't think it's a topic that has any place on a public forum like this?

I may be skeptical; but I'm not a monster.

If something like that happened — imagined or real — I am not touching it with a ten foot pole. It is not my place to comment on that.



@ Unity

I know we clash a lot.

I'm not blind to the notion that you and I approach this life from opposite ends of the spectrum. You being the New-age-crystal-healing-UFO-cult-did-everything person, and me being the old-fashioned seeing-is-believing person.

I don't think that such is where our fundamental difference lie though. I believe it is on a simple premise, one which I believe you don't fully understand. That being the connection between experiences, preaching, and evidence.

You have thousands of experiences a year. I will accept that every single day for the past 12 years an alien from Saturn has come down and talked to you. I believe that you believe this. And I'll go further even — I encourage you to believe this.

My objection is of a moral standing.

After you and Shadow and Lauren have these experiences the three of you (Lauren to a lesser extent) come on to ATS and try to tell people like me, and ac500 and Oriontri, and Phoenix that we aren't right. That the things we trust in: science, philosophy, religion, history and more are wrong.

Instead, you want us to believe a vision you had, or a visit you had from an alien being has given you - and those like you - the special ability to know the exact way everyone should live. In addition you have been told everything that is true and false about anything.

My objection comes when someone asks you to prove that you are living the right way, and we are not. Our evolution — and that of millions of other species — can be traced in cold, hard stone. There is no uncertainty. The things I believe in have evidence behind them, telling me my belief is right.

If you would only present fossils showing we are aliens.
Or show me an alien-human hybrid.
Or reveal a dark-sider.
Show me the ruins of our ancient alien cities.

I believe in evidence, proof, and facts. If you can demonstrate them, then I would believe you. As it stands, all you do is tell me stories about what happened to you. Unfortunately, my own stories of what has happened to me disagree with yours. I am more inclined to believe my encounters (because I had them, and I have proof of them) then yours.

Do you understand my stance?



@ Shadow

I don't even know what to say to you anymore, man. I've been willing to believe in everything you've stated:

Is there a higher self - sure
Music and frequencies are important - sure
Aliens exist - sure
Aliens bio-engineered us - sure
You've been abducted - sure
You have psychic powers - sure
Your tale on human history - sure
Your tale on your own alien lineage - sure
Dark-siders/Zetans/Reptilians - sure
You have advanced technology - sure
Ancient advanced alien cities - sure
Religions are alien in origin - sure
Meditation is alien telepathy - sure

And more. And ALL I ever asked for, was if you'd do my the one coutesy of demonstrating — beyond any doubt — that any of it was real. That's all I wanted.

And you wouldn't oblige a single evidential response. Keep your love, and your light. And your hugs.

Your words are empty now.



@ ac500

You're awesome. Thanks for all the support you've given me on here. I always hoped you'd come back after your influx of posts. I'm glad you did.



@ Oriontri

Welcome back, and very good post. I look forward to Shadow's discussion on it. I hope he responds.



My apologies if I missed someone. I did my best to fit everyone into one message. Now I am almost out of characters. So I'll post this.

~ Wandering Scribe

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There is some validation that he has quite a gift, one that is most unusual, for when he joined ATS, it was due to your thread, and he recognized you from Atlantis I believe:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Oh Im pretty sure we have Ash'i t'a or was it something more Angelic hahaha

A name you confirmed, amongst 3 names you know of one in Egypt, and this one, was older than that, in a u2u to me, concerning this, and then you both talked. The threads you had written on the tall blue grey like mystical, beings, were elohim, where they not? In your signature.
Along with some shared memories of the olden days with him.

You see, I recognize what he has demonstrated since I've known him since last summer, went through some very strange things when he wrote to me alot, and experienced his psi, abilities. I may not understand all the things that he says occur, but with what happens that has happened, I know he's not just making things up.

He named another friend with Atlantian memories: Sh'a r'ie'el I'm wondering if you recall that name?

My friend who he named, that I had come close to with Sha'a'el left this as a message for awareness: ti'na ko'ch'e'a pe'ke' tal'e'a so'la'co. co'da' ne' je ma'na'de'a'le e sa'ae ta Sh'a r'ie'el ne ta'ka lo'cu'e mae'ne





[edit on 20-5-2010 by Unity_99]

Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
The message of love and compassion for everyone is very altruistic. Heck, it's almost Buddhist in nature (and being a big Buddhism lover myself I can really appreciate a message like that).

Yes, it really is a great message and has improved my life 1000 times.

I know, you'll say "this is us blowing the whistle". OK. Sure. If I knew that the government was composed of insidious villains who manipulated my every living, breathing emotion, thought and sensation — I would go somewhere other then ATS. Like the media, the newspapers, magazines, cable TV, the White House.

The reason I'm here at ATS, was initiated by my need to look for answers. Those who want to know will come seek it. It really isn't something that can be forced.

As for Unity and her forced-pregnancy. Has it ever occurred to you I didn't bring that up, because I don't think it's a topic that has any place on a public forum like this?

I may be skeptical; but I'm not a monster.

If something like that happened — imagined or real — I am not touching it with a ten foot pole. It is not my place to comment on that.

No, I don't think anyone believes you're a monster, lol. I bring it up, because I didn't feel it was right to label it "sensationalist" or have you saying you didn't want to feed in to her fantasies. Which I do believe was said in reference to her story.