My expiriences from 10 and up

reply to post by ET_MAN


Amazing and to the point. I wish I could give you 40 stars for that. Shadow is not trying to force anyone into agreeing with him. And has been kind and caring throughout. And it's so unnecessary to be rude or negative.

Regardless of what you're debating about, being rude and negative won't get you anywhere. If you don't agree, then say so and keep moving. If you have questions, then ask, but don't be rude and don't just try to get a rise out of people, or try to put them down. Discussions are great, but not when no one is listening, or the main objective is to make others feel stupid or hurt.

Thank you, ET_Man.

ET_MAN, you misinterpret me. I never said SN legitimately challenges us, I meant his claims boast arrogantly that they are worthy if challenging us. They do not.

And the only reason for this discussion being so excitable is due to the nature of a hoax / delusion and pulling other people into that delusion. This is not a good thing.

However I have given up at least for now at helping delusional people over the internet. I will just continue to suggest that SN and the others see a psychiatrist, it cant hurt right?

Great fictional work describing your super powers. Keep it up, you may be a famous author some day!

reply to post by ac500

Hi Ac500,

However I have given up at least for now at helping delusional people over the internet. I will just continue to suggest that SN and the others see a psychiatrist, it cant hurt right?

Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Have a nice day.

Best Wishes!

[edit on 21-5-2010 by ET_MAN]

Originally posted by Blazer
Great fictional work describing your super powers. Keep it up, you may be a famous author some day!

Hi Blazer,

Positivity is always nice.


What would Einstein have to say about it?

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."

"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
Albert Einstein

-TIME-



Best Dreams!

[edit on 22-5-2010 by ET_MAN]

So let me get this straight.

When I say Shadow should reconsider his approach of saying any view but his own is wrong - I'm some kind of negative menace who is "ganging up on a 17 year old".

When Shadow says all of my beliefs are evil, wrong, and negative he is a hero? Does this mean that my beliefs somehow differ, or that they are less deserving of appreciation then Shadow's?

That would be quite the double standard.

If it's OK for Shadow to call my beliefs evil and misguided, but it is not OK for me to say his beliefs might not be right; then it is highly important that Shadow prove his beliefs genuine beyond all doubt.

reply to post by Wandering Scribe


No, not really. That's not the point. I think it's fine for you to say that you want people to not be closed off. But I think the problem is more of how things are said and the way that things are handled. Because many of the comments (not singularly you) have been really quick to call people crazy or a hoax in some cases.

By the way, I don't think a single person on here is calling Shadow a hero. Haha, he doesn't need any inflation of his ego. Lol. Shadow, you know exactly what I mean . And everyone's ideas deserve appreciation, and I personally think they would be way more open to hearing your side, if you didn't come across as harsh, or judgmental.

It's fine if you don't believe these things. Especially since it makes for a great discussion, but not if it gets lost in egos and name calling. Both sides are guilty of at least a little bit of this, I think, lol.

reply to post by Wandering Scribe

Hi Wandering Scribe,

So let me get this straight.

When I say Shadow should reconsider his approach of saying any view but his own is wrong - I'm some kind of negative menace who is "ganging up on a 17 year old".

Where does Shadow state that any view but his own is wrong?

Do you feel that any other view but your own is wrong?

When Shadow says all of my beliefs are evil, wrong, and negative he is a hero?

Where does Shadow state that all of your beliefs are evil, wrong and negative?

If it's OK for Shadow to call my beliefs evil and misguided, but it is not OK for me to say his beliefs might not be right;

This is a discussion forum and of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

then it is highly important that Shadow prove his beliefs genuine beyond all doubt.

There are Billions of people out there that do not believe what you believe, is it important for them also to prove their beliefs beyond a shadow of a doubt?

They would also claim that they are right.

How about you prove all of your beliefs beyond a shadow of a doubt?

It's not so much what you believe or your opinion but the way you've written and shared it.

It's about handling things in a more friendly way regardless if one believes in what SN has to share or not.

If someone is truly sincere and only has the best intentions for the poster and/or is genuinely concerned for him due to his beliefs then they are not going to post rudely and negatively but nicely.

I haven't read the entire thread but I have read enough to see that you have persistently cone after Shadow in a somewhat negative way while Shadow on the other hand was politely replying in a more positive way showing his true character.

But I must say in your most recent posts you've come off more sincere in comparison to your earlier posts.

If you are sincerely/genuinely concerned for this 17 year old and you somehow feel that his beliefs are dangerous than you should approach him in a more friendly manner and provide him with your own evidence showing him whatever you feel is necessary for him to know.

Provide him with some scientific data or whatever you feel necessary then further discuss the subject in a more friendly way.

From my perspective it all comes down to engaging a poster in a more friendly way.

Perhaps you really didn't mean to come off negative.

Perhaps I have misinterpreted your posts and perhaps you are truly sincere in your intentions of merely helping and assisting this 17 year old.

Either way, regardless of the differences one has in their beliefs, humans are sharing the planet together are they not.

If that is the case why not treat each other a little nicer.






Best Wishes!

[edit on 22-5-2010 by ET_MAN]

On a more serious note, I've been vaguely keeping an eye on this thread and it just seems to be going around in circles:

"Give proof!"
"I can't give proof!"
"Give proof!"
"Can't give proof!"
"Leave him alone!"
"But give proof!"

Etc.

I can see both points of view. I know that there are more involved than just SN and WS, but these seemed to be the main two involved.

On the one hand you have an intelligent teenager who claims to have had experiences which may or not be true. Now, I have no way of knowing whether these have actually happened to him or not, but I believe that he believes they have. Regardless, he strives to better understand the things that appear to be happening to him.

On the other hand you have an intelligent young man who appears to have a heck of a lot of knowledge with regards to the occult and science in general. Who strives for greater knowledge and questions everything in an attempt to better understand the world around him.

Shadow: From what I've seen of Scribe, he genuinely cares a great deal about things and people. So if he's concerned for your sanity or is questioning your beliefs, take it as a compliment, see it as a test. He's also more spiritually aware than you give him credit for, just because something works for you, doesn't mean it works or is right for other people. As I told you the other day, everyone has their own path to follow, your way isn't the only way. You could learn a lot from him. Just because you see everything as related to aliens, doesn't mean it necessarily is. Give humans a bit more credit than that, we're capable of a heck of a lot of truely marvelous things.

Scribe: Shadow genuinely wants to help people, whether his claims are true or not, he's ultimately trying to get people to be nicer to each other. Which imho isn't a bad thing and if people try to or research more into meditation or other spiritual avenues then great. I can see your concerns though of people falling into a delusion and I think it's great that you're testing him, trying to get him and others to question things and not just accept something at face value. You and I both know that you're never going to get the proof you desire from him but at least you've tried, you've poked and prodded and maybe even taught him or others (me included) on this thread something

At the end of the day, experiences and things like this are difficult, if not impossible, to prove. I've sure we've all seen or experienced something out of the ordinary that we can't explain or prove. Our senses can be tricked, our memory can be faulty but at the end of the day it's pretty much all we've got. Sure, it could turn out to be something ordinary, but then we know for future what it was, we learn, we collect data, we connect dots, find patterns.

I personally find this amazing, absolutely facinating that we can turn something from imagination, an idea, into a reality. The fact that I'm sitting here, translating my thoughts into text via a machine that is made up of random bits of metal fused together with lots of teeny tiny electrons, that we can't see with the naked eye, making it work. Just brilliant.

So whether aliens do or don't exist, we as a species have come a heck of a long way and all because we question how and why things are how they are.

I think I've rambled long enough

- Phoenix

reply to post by ET_MAN


Good day to you too, ET Man,

Where does Shadow state that any view but his own is wrong? Do you feel that any other view but your own is wrong?

First, religions (where my beliefs exist) are harshly demonozied by Shadow and Unity throughout this thread. If you've missed the slader of organized religion, Occult teachings, or Mystery School metaphors that have been posted I would strongly suggest you re-read this long thread.

My belief rest in religious ideals (paganism, polytheism, Buddhism, and some spirituality), as well as Occult theories (Thelema, magick, Kaballah, Hermetics), and general esoteric knowledge (Elysian and Dionysian mystery schools) among other things. All of those have been assaulted and ridiculed by Shadow and Unity numerous times on this thread.

Second, not in the slightest. I've accepted the belief that aliens exist, that aliens might be responsible for certain peoples' existences among other belief systems. As a student of comparative religions it is fundamental to my studies that I do not cast doubt on any set of beliefs. So no, bigotry is not among my fallacies.

What is among my peeves, is the misuse and misrepresentation of religious and spiritual phenomenon. Being that things such as meditation, vibrations, rhythm, and the Higher Self are religious/spiritual/Occult/esoteric concepts, I do consider it an affront when someone steals these concepts, from the very system they're slandering and ridiculing.

Where does Shadow state that all of your beliefs are evil, wrong and negative?

See my above response to this. On a day with more time I may go back and give you page numbers, but I'm rushed for time tonight. Look for Unity posting videos on Occult and Magick philosophy, and the first few sections of ShadowNinja's "history" lessons. Somewhere near those pages there are goldmines of them both doing this.

This is a discussion forum and of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

You forgot the "as long as they agree with ShadowNinja" on the end there. I always encourage everyone to speak their mind, and state their own opinions. Censorship is not one of my fallacies either.

It is when my beliefs and opinions are slandered without any proof that I ask for evidence of what is being raised against my own opinions and beliefs.

There are Billions of people out there that do not believe what you believe, is it important for them also to prove their beliefs beyond a shadow of a doubt?

If they say that my beliefs are wrong, yes, they do need to demonstrate how and why; otherwise they should not have made such rash and blanket statements.

Now, if they accept my beliefs as plausible alongside their own, then no they do not need to. If such is the situation, we can both coexist happily together.

How about you prove all of your beliefs beyond a shadow of a doubt?

If I claimed that my beliefs superseded your own, then the burden of proof would be on my shoulders, and I would present the information and evidence for my beliefs.

Unfortunately, such is not the case. I only state that certain of the beliefs Shadow espouses are wrong, because he misinterprets the beliefs of others' to fit his own ideal.

And yes, when he does this, I ask him to provide proof that his misuse of the beliefs of someone else is valid. When he fails to do so, I do cite and explain what the real origin and purpose of such beliefs are.

It's not so much what you believe or your opinion but the way you've written and shared it.

I don't believe in giving anyone an inch they haven't earned. Life doesn't hand out freebies. Neither do I. There are 30+ pages of Shadow making a claim, me asking him to demonstrate it's authenticity, and him ignoring my request. After so many pages of this treatment I am inclined, and some might say entitled, to be angry with him for his approach to those who are curious about what he says.

It's about handling things in a more friendly way regardless if one believes in what SN has to share or not.

I was very friendly, patient and open-minded in the early pages of this thread. Even when Shadow made negative claims about my own beliefs, I was still willing to sit and listen and hear him out. Granted, this would require him to expand on what he'd said, which he seldom, if ever, did.

If someone is truly sincere and only has the best intentions for the poster and/or is genuinely concerned for him due to his beliefs then they are not going to post rudely and negatively but nicely.

Blunt honesty is still honesty. I don't believe in sugar-coating anything for anyone. If you can't accept the truth at face-value, then you shouldn't be asking for it.

I have never watered down anything I've said, and I never will.

I haven't read the entire thread but I have read enough to see that you have persistently cone after Shadow in a somewhat negative way while Shadow on the other hand was politely replying in a more positive way showing his true character.

Offering me "love, light & and hug" is not a polite response. It is a way of copping-out. Avoiding the issue and ignoring my inquiries. I've extended Shadow good graces plenty of times on here too.

As for his "true character", finish reading all of the claims Shadow has made, and the lack of evidence for a majority of them when I ask him for it. That is a perfect demonstration of his true character.

[continued below, out of space]

[continued from above]

But I must say in your most recent posts you've come off more sincere in comparison to your earlier posts.

If you are sincerely/genuinely concerned for this 17 year old and you somehow feel that his beliefs are dangerous than you should approach him in a more friendly manner and provide him with your own evidence showing him whatever you feel is necessary for him to know.

What is dangerous is if someone else should accept his beliefs on just the faith of his word. When you meditate, chase down the stars and generally open yourself up to "spiritual forces" it is a door that swings both ways.

Shadow and Unity are no strangers to discuss all of the "evil aliens" out there waiting to destroy us. His practices are borrowed, poorly understood, and often-times incomplete. This is not the way to properly teach someone to open themselves up to duality-forces.

My concern is for his followers, more then for him. Shadow beliefs every word he says. I cannot change his mind. But I hope that I can warn those who follow in his footsteps to do their own research outside of his word, so that they don't get themselves hurt.

Provide him with some scientific data or whatever you feel necessary then further discuss the subject in a more friendly way.

Unfortunately I have tried this. Shadow does not believe in science, history, archeology, anthropology, biology, evolution or astronomy. So using historical, or scientific data to show him the errors of his ways does not work.

From my perspective it all comes down to engaging a poster in a more friendly way. Perhaps you really didn't mean to come off negative.

I'll admit that I sometimes lose my tongue. However, the "negativity" I am so heavily labeled with is actually a response to Shadow and Unity consistently trying to make others' believe I am a Black Ops agent, an evil Dark-Sider, a Zetan, a Black Magician, an evil Government Surveillance agent or a Disinformation agent.

Without their constant witch-hunt against me feeding on the paranoia and fear of other posters, I would not have a negative label on this thread. I speak as the voice of reason, science, intellect and physical reality. Typically those things are not considered evil or negative. It is only here where they are. And being their defender, I become "evil" too.

Perhaps I have misinterpreted your posts and perhaps you are truly sincere in your intentions of merely helping and assisting this 17 year old.

As above, and now here below - it is not him that I am as worried about. It is those who would follow blindly his every word that I am worried about.

Either way, regardless of the differences one has in their beliefs, humans are sharing the planet together are they not.

I believe this. You may have to ask Shadow is he beliefs humans exist anymore. According to him we're all aliens who are just stuck in these shells.



Best wishes to you too, ET Man

Alech Hai

reply to post by phoenix_zephyr


Hi Phoenix, nice to see you back on the thread again.

Shadow genuinely wants to help people, whether his claims are true or not, he's ultimately trying to get people to be nicer to each other. Which imho isn't a bad thing

Nope. Free love, and unions for all is a very good thing. I don't mind his eternal preaching that we need to love one another.

if people try to or research more into meditation or other spiritual avenues then great

I really wish it would. There are so many inaccuracies in Shadow's teachings of Higher Self, meditation and rhythm/vibration that I hope to all gods those he influences research outside of his own words.

I can see your concerns though of people falling into a delusion

I'm glad that somebody can. Not to draw up private talks we've had, but, I do know you know that spirituality can have a negative bent to it too. People need to know this, and how to prepare themselves for it.

I think it's great that you're testing him, trying to get him and others to question things and not just accept something at face value

Thank you.

You and I both know that you're never going to get the proof you desire from him

Yeah, I do know this. My questioning isn't so much for him, as it is for those who would believe his every word without their own research.

but at least you've tried

The Fourth Great Truth
The third step of the Noble Eightfold Path
Right Speech

I'm not allowed to let what I perceive to be lies, or deceivers of men speak their piece without trying to offer what I perceive the truth to be.

As long as Shadow's claims taste a lie, it is my duty as Buddhist to offer what I have been taught is the truth.

you've poked and prodded and maybe even taught him or others (me included) on this thread something

'tis all part of my duty on this Earth.



I appreciate your rambles. And I hope the rest of this thread's regulars do.

Alech Hai

~ Scribe

Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
[continued from above]

But I must say in your most recent posts you've come off more sincere in comparison to your earlier posts.

If you are sincerely/genuinely concerned for this 17 year old and you somehow feel that his beliefs are dangerous than you should approach him in a more friendly manner and provide him with your own evidence showing him whatever you feel is necessary for him to know.

What is dangerous is if someone else should accept his beliefs on just the faith of his word. When you meditate, chase down the stars and generally open yourself up to "spiritual forces" it is a door that swings both ways.

Shadow and Unity are no strangers to discuss all of the "evil aliens" out there waiting to destroy us. His practices are borrowed, poorly understood, and often-times incomplete. This is not the way to properly teach someone to open themselves up to duality-forces.

My concern is for his followers, more then for him. Shadow beliefs every word he says. I cannot change his mind. But I hope that I can warn those who follow in his footsteps to do their own research outside of his word, so that they don't get themselves hurt.

Provide him with some scientific data or whatever you feel necessary then further discuss the subject in a more friendly way.

Unfortunately I have tried this. Shadow does not believe in science, history, archeology, anthropology, biology, evolution or astronomy. So using historical, or scientific data to show him the errors of his ways does not work.

From my perspective it all comes down to engaging a poster in a more friendly way. Perhaps you really didn't mean to come off negative.

I'll admit that I sometimes lose my tongue. However, the "negativity" I am so heavily labeled with is actually a response to Shadow and Unity consistently trying to make others' believe I am a Black Ops agent, an evil Dark-Sider, a Zetan, a Black Magician, an evil Government Surveillance agent or a Disinformation agent.

Without their constant witch-hunt against me feeding on the paranoia and fear of other posters, I would not have a negative label on this thread. I speak as the voice of reason, science, intellect and physical reality. Typically those things are not considered evil or negative. It is only here where they are. And being their defender, I become "evil" too.

Perhaps I have misinterpreted your posts and perhaps you are truly sincere in your intentions of merely helping and assisting this 17 year old.

As above, and now here below - it is not him that I am as worried about. It is those who would follow blindly his every word that I am worried about.

Either way, regardless of the differences one has in their beliefs, humans are sharing the planet together are they not.

I believe this. You may have to ask Shadow is he beliefs humans exist anymore. According to him we're all aliens who are just stuck in these shells.

 

Best wishes to you too, ET Man

Alech Hai

This and the previous post by 'Scribe' ... sum up my feelings of the way this thread has gone completely.

He has put it better than I ever could.

And I have to say to SN that you need to decide how you really want to play this game (which role do you want to be recognized for) because you cannot have it both ways ... do you want people to see you as a spiritual intellect ... a 'teacher-figure' sharing wisdom ?

This role by it's very definition will demand you respond to a multitude of questions people would need to ask ... in order to fully understand your doctrines.

Because if you do then you cannot keep drawing the 'I'm a vunerable 17yr old who is being picked on' card as if it were a weapon. People asking questions is not the same as being 'picked-on' ... answer the questions posed and help people to understand the message you want to put across.

And Unity ... I would appreciate it if you did not try to twist and manipulate my words. This has disappointed me greatly and I think you need to re-read some of my posts because you seem to have misunderstood the point I was actually trying to make. Being overly protective of SD is not doing him any favour. In fact this thread is so long now it might be worth both of you having a recap from the beginning ... you might understand what people are talking about.

In one of your earlier posts you added a link to one of my own threads. It was the thread where I first encountered SD ... and for anyone who chooses to click that link they will see that SD and another ATS member almost derailed the thread completely with their bickering and I had to ask them to stay on topic ... the other member was claiming to be a Demon ... and SD was claiming to be an Angel (not totally sure how the ranking system works ... is Angel to Alien a promotion or demotion)?

I was quite stern with both SD and the other member for disrupting what became a very informative thread for me ... and then Unity u2u'd me telling me some personal background concerning SD and the fact that he was very young ... basically saying I should treat him with kid-gloves because of his situation and tender years. (my translation of her words)

Anyhoo (I digress), SD made several posts on said thread and then asked me if I knew about 'The Blues' (as in an alien race ... not the UK football team) I told him I did ... as I had made two other threads when I first joined ATS, about an experience I had some years ago.

After that we u2u'd each other several times about past-life memories etc ... initially I thought SD and I may have some shared experiences (there were a couple of similarities) ... but I soon realised he'd only got the gist of the info from my old threads ... and he'd basically tried to build me into his memories / fantasies / delusions (as I am not inside his head and am not privvy to his thought patterns, it could be any one of the aforementioned)

Long story short, it all got a little bit strange and I stopped communication ... then he started this thread and it has gone on from there. Having seen it's decent from young man sharing experiences (as the title suggests) ... to quite frankly a hint of a God-complex I first posted a couple of pages back to offer my opinion and some advise.

So Unity I'm sorry if my input made you angry (as you said in one of your posts) ... but I thought a bit of grounding was required. It was not my intent to anger anyone by pointing out some shortcomings ... as a writer I actually appreciate constructive criticism ... whilst it would appear that others do not.

Woody

Woody

This and the previous post by 'Scribe' ... sum up my feelings of the way this thread has gone completely

Thank you, Woody. It's a feeling of ostracism that I have been trying to ignore since the day that I joined this thread. I'm glad that people recognize the tactics.

Otherwise, great post. Starred, and would be flagged if that was possible.

~ Scribe

reply to post by Wandering Scribe

Hi Wandering Scribe,

Thank you for that thorough explanation and I completely understand where you're coming from.

My apologies to you for anything I've written that may have come off in the wrong way. I've not read the entire thread yet only some of the more ladder conversations/posts in the thread but am reading it over now.

Respectfully,
Kind Regards!

reply to post by ET_MAN


Hello again ET Man,

Thank you for that thorough explanation and I completely understand where you're coming from

You're welcome.

My apologies to you for anything I've written that may have come off in the wrong way

Not a problem. We're all human , so we make mistakes. Nothing really offended me though.

I've not read the entire thread yet only some of the more ladder conversations/posts in the thread but am reading it over now

I do my best to reiterate the claims, and messages expounded on this thread from time to time. As you will probably see, making such a list requires a lot of space. My own memory not being a robot, I'm sure I have also left off claims and messages in my recaps.

Maybe we do need a "what's been going on" post to catch all the new readers up on the 40 + pages.

Alech Hai

~ Wandering Scribe

reply to post by Wandering Scribe


Haahahahaha Thanks Scribe

You know you and Woody are right. All the time I did meditation, listening to frequencies, trainings and most of the time I use to play around with my abilities. Trying to replicate super hero moves and anime moves as well. To try and learn their abilities so I guess I am kinda childish in my approach to my abilities also skills.

When Woody said I will have to make a choice she is right, the moment she said that I felt like being slapped by my Higher Self. As if he is saying get back on the right track kiddo you got many tasks to complete while you are here .

So I guess play time is over and I need to really mature up now to be who I am. One Of The Blues


So I think I should start touching base on everything and also start answering things better. To allow people to understand of what is really going to be happening soon in the world. Also things around them and with them as well.

Again Scribe you are right I am not doing things properly and that in a way we are both wrong. So I believe there should be better explanations on my behalf. Both sides can teach each other many things. So forgive me for my immaturity and the way I behaved. I will take a new and better approach to everything now also try to explain things in a better manner.


PS: I can reply from time to time and it is due to schooling, family and several other problems.

But I will try to write as much as I can when I have the time.
Thank you all.

Love and Light to all.

reply to post by ShadowNinja


I sincerely hope you meant what you said in that last post SD because so far they are the most mature and grounded words you have typed in the entire thread.

I look forward to reading your new and mature approach to posting and I'm pleased that you have finally taken the advice / suggestions that I and others have been trying to get across to you all along.

You must answer questions in a detailed way to the best of your ability (so that people fully understand the point you are making) ... if you don't know the answer just say so ... there is no shame attached to not knowing the answer to something (it's a learning-curve and we all continue to learn), people will have more respect for you.

Remember (everyone who is developing spiritually) ... the more we develop ... the more vital it is to remain grounded ... otherwise we just lose perspective and end up talking poop ... more importantly our ego's kick in and we actually believe the poop we talk (catch 22) ... very dangerous.

However high you climb ... always ... but always ... keep at least one foot on the ground.

Woody

reply to post by Persephany


Hey there Persephany, because there is so much going on in this thread already it might be an idea to start your own thread about this topic ... as it doesn't really add anything to the ongoing conversation.

By posting here you could be perceived as a thread hijacker just trolling someone elses thread ... but if you open your own thread then people can reply specifically to you without any derailment here.

You certainly make quite a claim ... so give it it's own space.

Woody