Gays 'will never go to heaven'

reply to post by northof8 Wow! With vituperation like that we could almost believe you were comfortable with your sexuality, but "methinks the lady doth protest too much." Know what I mean, nudge nudge, wink wink?
Or is it just that your blood pressure is so high because you aren't getting any? Here's a genuine tip that'll help, if that is the case: angry bigotry is a very unattractive quality.

reply to post by Blender Wow! A full-on feeding frenzy of misinformed, generalised bigotry! In the spirit of spreading the love, I'll give you a tip too:
In my long experience as a serial adulterer (with my wife's full knowledge & participation), I've found that strongly homophobic men are often also very possessive of their wives or girlfriends. Ironically, this seems to plant the notion of playing around in the woman's mind, if the man's difficult personality hadn't done so already.

I am very thankful I grew up in a open, free thinking and liberal place.

I can not imagine what it is like to like in a close minded, controlling environment (in the emotional/spiritual/mental sense, I am from the land of CCTV after all)

Gays here are as much an integral part of our society as Christians are, indeed as Jedi's, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, under age drinking, teenage high jinx, dirty weekends, porn shops, prostitution, drugs and all the other things that make society spin :-)

I know gay Christians, gay Muslims, gay Atheists and like the rest of us, some are open minded, some prejudiced, while some are in the middle. No different really to anyone else I know.. In fact thinking about it I am sure I also must know some gay Jedi's

I guess I am not used to shoving a label on someone and then judging that person by that label.. I either like them or I don't.. I don't think I am intellectual enough to get more complicated than that.

However we do also have a tradition of burning effigies of the pope (and anyone else who is annoying and we dislike) so I guess we're all going to hell anyway..

Edit: just becuase

[edit on 9/12/09 by thoughtsfull]

Originally posted by Gaspode
reply to post by blueorder

 

And that's exactly my point. Some of these religious theories make no sense at all. My example - a poor one at that - is in the line of "sinner by association"... but that's beside the point.

According to this old geezer it doesn't matter if a gay person lives a righteous life, go to church every other day, pray on a daily basis, read the Bible twice a day, give to the poor, look after the old, share the Word of God and accept Jesus as his saviour... he is still going to hell...?

Not the Graceful and Forgiving God I'm familiar with.

yes, but I don't see the need for some homosexuals to trot out the victim card in relation to the afterlife- that same religious fella would also say that ALL non christians will not enter heaven- are we all going to be the victims now?

Believe what you want, if some homosexuals don't like the guy, don't go to his church- same way as I will choose not to go to an explicitly gay nightclub or attend one of those gay parades

All Christians should just go to their New World and leave this one to us..........

Originally posted by GreyWolf2012
All Christians should just go to their New World and leave this one to us..........

You are more discriminatory than this priest

reply to post by blueorder

but I don't see the need for some homosexuals to trot out the victim card in relation to the afterlife

Ah, "victim card" - the latest dehumanising phrase used to dismiss an entire argument rather than address its points.
It is a fact that homosexuals & those who engage in other minority sexual practices do suffer as a result of ongoing prejudice. It is also the nature of prejudice that is is irrational & thus clutches at any straw in order to justify itself. Therefore, it matters not that this old crackpot added that people should not be discriminated against, because simply by making a distinction, a discrimination, between types of people, the damage is already done.
An analogy:
Some read the bible & find "an eye for an eye". They then go on to find "vengeance is mine sayeth the lord" & somehow the full import of the latter doesn't quite sink in, or it gets ignored completely, or some twisted logic about doing the lord's work pops up. The same people, calling themselves christian, then ignore the reported words of Jesus, that the Mosaic Law is replaced & now they should judge not, but turn the other cheek.
Why? For the simple reason that to overturn one's prejudice requires a re-think of one's beliefs & most people are too fearful of insecurity &/or too lazy to do that. So, they instead continue irrationally with the venting of whatever anger their lives have provoked on those against whom they feel they can get away with it towards. So, in the same way that people often call for brutal revenge against criminals, out of all proportion to the crime, simply because their boss treats them like dirt or some such thing, then, as long as anti-gay prejudicial speech is tolerated, there is a perceived acceptance that gays can be victimised with impunity.
I'll tell you tho, anyone that wants to attempt to call me an abomination to my face will quickly find the boot on the other foot.

Originally posted by Bunken DrumAh, "victim card" - the latest dehumanising phrase used to dismiss an entire argument rather than address its points.

Erm, not it doesn't, and I also addressed the points, hence I am comfortable in the use of the term

It is a fact that homosexuals & those who engage in other minority sexual practices do suffer as a result of ongoing prejudice.

"minority sexual practices" har har, classic.


"ONGOING PREJUDICE"- the gays are doing all right outside of Africa and Asia, cease your victim waffling

It is also the nature of prejudice that is is irrational & thus clutches at any straw in order to justify itself. Therefore, it matters not that this old crackpot added that people should not be discriminated against,

Oh but it does

because simply by making a distinction, a discrimination, between types of people, the damage is already done.

no he doesn't, he said they wouldn't enter Heaven, so if

a) You don't believe in it, then it means nothing to you
b) Disagree with his version of religion, believe your own


I am also oppressed by this Priest as he would say I would not enter heaven, yet I SIR shall not wave my Victim card!

An analogy:
Some read the bible & find "an eye for an eye".

A brown eye for a brown eye leaves us all with sore bums

They then go on to find "vengeance is mine sayeth the lord" & somehow the full import of the latter doesn't quite sink in, or it gets ignored completely, or some twisted logic about doing the lord's work pops up. The same people, calling themselves christian, then ignore the reported words of Jesus, that the Mosaic Law is replaced & now they should judge not, but turn the other cheek.
Why? For the simple reason that to overturn one's prejudice requires a re-think of one's beliefs & most people are too fearful of insecurity &/or too lazy to do that. So, they instead continue irrationally with the venting of whatever anger their lives have provoked on those against whom they feel they can get away with it towards. So, in the same way that people often call for brutal revenge against criminals, out of all proportion to the crime, simply because their boss treats them like dirt or some such thing, then, as long as anti-gay prejudicial speech is tolerated, there is a perceived acceptance that gays can be victimised with impunity.

People can say anything they like about the afterlife, people like you will just have to get over it

I'll tell you tho, anyone that wants to attempt to call me an abomination to my face will quickly find the boot on the other foot.

In terms of the afterlife, it doesn't really what you reply- he is entitled to believe it, you are entitled to act all self righteous and indignant about it

Originally posted by Bunken DrumIn my long experience as a serial adulterer (with my wife's full knowledge & participation),

Wingnut

I've found that strongly homophobic men are often also very possessive of their wives or girlfriends. Ironically, this seems to plant the notion of playing around in the woman's mind, if the man's difficult personality hadn't done so already.

I know birds that knock around on their hubbies who have gay pals, bang goes that little theory you dreamed up

reply to post by tezzajw


I think said Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan should firstly prove that a heaven exists before proclaiming any entry requirements...

So what kind of ignoarnt #$%^ coulds possibly draw a connection between being a homosexual and :

HOMOSEXUAL: being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

I havent seen any homosuxuals doing these things..... its all us straight dumb#$%^s who happen to be christians making all of humanity look like a stupid pile of $%^&.

Originally posted by Blender
Say what you will, but homosexually is an unnatural act. Everyone knows this. Its no wonder that the vast majority of homosexuals lead depraved lifestyles, over indulging in sex and drugs. It must be tough being an abomination.

Over indulging in sex? Straight people have and desire just as much sex as gay people do. Have you ever seen "The Hills"? LOL.

And yes of course there is a lot of depression in being gay. I'm sure you would get depressed too if you had people running around telling you that you were an abomination for the way you were born. Duhhhh.

Breaking Alternative News: ATS must go beyond this!

One's sexual preference is so insufficent and shouldn't even be included.

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Originally posted by Wertdagf
So what kind of ignoarnt #$%^ coulds possibly draw a connection between being a homosexual and :

HOMOSEXUAL: being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

I havent seen any homosuxuals doing these things..... its all us straight dumb#$%^s who happen to be christians making all of humanity look like a stupid pile of $%^&.

you do realise the irony in your post, castigating "all" straight people who are Christians- try and do a bif of brainwork before posting

Originally posted by Kailassa
And was it Saul and David getting a wee bit fond of each other in the old testament?

If I recall it was Saul's son (Jonathan) and David that seemed as if they had "feelings" for one another.

It's not clear whether they engaged in homosexual sex though. And if they did, it doesn't necessarily mean that God condoned it. The Bible is not just a book of commandments and philosophies, but also an account of what happened (good or bad), as well as a song book and collection of letters.

I can't say I'm happy about what the Bible says concerning homosexuals, but it says what it says.

I don't think the OP is very shocking. Breaking news would be if the Priest had said that homosexuals will in fact go to heaven. I suspect this thread is really just a means of riling people up.

Originally posted by Hack28

Originally posted by blueorder
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Also, if monkeys eat their own faeces does that mean we use that as rationale for humans eating their own faeces and treating that as normal- if a monkey eats another monkey does that mean humans can eat other humans- where does this madness end

First of all its Feces not FEAces, and your logic is retarted!!!

No it is in fact "faeces" and not "feces". Feces is American spelling. Faeces is English spelling.

And it's not 'retarted', it's 'retarded'.

If you're going to be a Grammar-Nazi, at least be good at it.

[edit on 2009.12/10 by the siren]

reply to post by blueorder

Erm, not it doesn't, and I also addressed the points

You did not address the central point of Gaspode's post, that the old crackpot was spouting hypocrisy, by the tenets of his own religion, into the public domain. Nor did you attempt to address my earlier rebuttal of your disingenuous attempt to refute my assertion that religion is by definition dishonest, which is part of the same argument.

"minority sexual practices" har har, classic.

More dismissive failure to engage in discussion.

"ONGOING PREJUDICE"- the gays are doing all right outside of Africa and Asia

www.pinknews.co.uk...
Dont like this source? Follow the links from there.
en.wikipedia.org...
www.sgn.org...
This last in a catholic community, which would listen to an old catholic crackpot.

he said they wouldn't enter Heaven

By what yardstick did he judge this to be the case?

discrimination
• noun 1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition of the difference between one thing and another.
3 good judgement or taste.

www.askoxford.com...
(My emphasis)

yet I SIR shall not wave my Victim card!

What group do you belong to which is regularly denied employment, harassed, assaulted & killed for no other reason than prejudice?
Re: the rest
More failure to speak to the argument &, oh whats this? A dismissive slur as well, demonstrating right there how you feel it is indeed ok to target this minority. Why is that blueorder? Would you feel you could get away with an off-colour remark about Jews & circumcised sex, for instance?
You are a walking example of what a climate of prejudice produces.

I'm a straight Christ follower (not Catholic or of a particular denomination...I don't boast my affiliations, except for boasting Jesus Christ, the death, the ressurection, and the salvation). That said, I'm still a sinner. Despite my Spiritual Salvation, I'm still in this flesh that desires all things evil.

For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against then law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

Romans 7:14-25

Therefore, despite my best efforts I still mess up. A sin is a sin in God's eyes, at least in the case of believers. No person is too far gone to be saved by Jesus' sacrifice.

There are Homosexual Christians, who are truly saved, and will go home to meet Jesus. They'll be freed from their flesh's corruptness spiritually, and when they get a renewed body, physically as well. This doesn't just include homosexual urges, lust, etc, but all sins.

Therefore, not all gays will go to hell. Just those who don't repent. It's just a sin like the rest of us. Christian gays should try to resist the urge as best they can to live homosexual lives, though, as Christians we are instructed to do our very best with Christ's strength to resist our evil temptations and urges of the flesh.

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reply to post by blueorder


Christians say they believe in the bible.... And thats in the bible...

So either you beilve it or your not a christian. So go shove your head in the sand somewere else.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by blueorder

 

Christians say they believe in the bible.... And thats in the bible...

So either you beilve it or your not a christian. So go shove your head in the sand somewere else.

You're apparently ignorant of the facts. Old covenant = death to sinners. New Covenant in Jesus Christ = salvation for all who accept Him by faith. No sin is unforgiveable except the sin of not accepting Him.