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For the life of me, I cannot imagine why you would use a term for an extreme right-winger in relation to anything I've posted. Care to elaborate?
Wingnut
This is actually a non sequitur argument, since women being friends with gay men doesn't preclude them having sex with straight men because their husbands are so annoying (strong homophobia being a part of hubby's character flaws), but still, I dont suppose its ever occurred to you that almost nobody is 100% gay or straight. Of course, the homophobic cannot admit their own occasional curiosity, but many "gay" men do sometimes have sex with women. This is not anything I've "dreamed up", just like my experience of debauching married women, it comes from being part of a multi-sexual, promiscuous community.
I know birds that knock around on their hubbies who have gay pals, bang goes that little theory you dreamed up
Originally posted by technical difficulties
Wow, the posts in this thread just amaze me. He is not discriminating against gays, he is simply saying they're not going to heaven according to the bible. Unless this guy is god's bouncer, he's not discriminating against anyone. You guys are just politically correct.
[edit on 10-12-2009 by technical difficulties]
You are mistaken. To single a group out for whatever reason is discrimination. That's what the word means. Look it up for yourself, or pop back a few posts to where I quoted the OED definition.
He is not discriminating against gays, he is simply saying they're not going to heaven according to the bible.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
Christians say they believe in the bible.... And thats in the bible...
So either you beilve it or your not a christian. So go shove your head in the sand somewere else.
Originally posted by Bunken DrumYou did not address the central point of Gaspode's post, that the old crackpot was spouting hypocrisy, by the tenets of his own religion, into the public domain.
Nor did you attempt to address my earlier rebuttal of your disingenuous attempt to refute my assertion that religion is by definition dishonest,
More dismissive failure to engage in discussion
By what yardstick did he judge this to be the case?
he said they wouldn't enter Heaven
What group do you belong to which is regularly denied employment, harassed, assaulted & killed for no other reason than prejudice?
A dismissive slur as well, demonstrating right there how you feel it is indeed ok to target this minority. Why is that blueorder? Would you feel you could get away with an off-colour remark about Jews & circumcised sex, for instance?
You are a walking example of what a climate of prejudice produces.
Originally posted by Bunken Drum]For the life of me, I cannot imagine why you would use a term for an extreme right-winger in relation to anything I've posted.
This is actually a non sequitur argument, since women being friends with gay men doesn't preclude them having sex with straight men because their husbands are so annoying (strong homophobia being a part of hubby's character flaws), but still, I dont suppose its ever occurred to you that almost nobody is 100% gay or straight.
Of course, the homophobic cannot admit their own occasional curiosity,
but many "gay" men do sometimes have sex with women. This is not anything I've "dreamed up", just like my experience of debauching married women, it comes from being part of a multi-sexual, promiscuous community.
Regardless of whether or not they continue doing the sin?
Originally posted by joesomebody
The Bible condemns all sin. While specific ones are mentioned, they all fall into a big ball of wax that can only be taken care of by accepting Jesus as Savior.
Under the New Covenant (new testament), homosexuality let alone other sins fall under the category of "Jesus' blood covers it upon acceptance of Him as Savior." Therefore, the cardinal is wrong. Not all gays go to hell. What about those that go straight and get saved? What about those who are believers but are struggling with being pure?
If they truly belive in Jesus as Savior, they are saved.
Originally posted by Caleb.K
Jeez if you dont believe in religion dont get all cut up about it... Why would you be in the catholic church if it doesnt agree with homosexuality? In their books its a serious sin, one which has been glossed over by their own priests... but maybe a few are going back to bible roots... im not catholic and im not gay but really if you dont like it dont join... and dont whinge!
Originally posted by Fromabove
From the Holy Bible - Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
This is why I asked you to reply to my earlier posts. I've already shown, with a dictionary definition, that the word "discrimination" means to discern difference between 1 thing & others. This is not the same thing as "having discerned a difference between people, acting toward them in a prejudiced manner", for which the verb phrase "discriminate against" is often used, however I have previously argued that prejudice, being irrational, looks for any justification, regardless of how tenuous.
It's not discrimination, it's just politically incorrect. He also says right after that it does not justify any form of discrimination
Originally posted by Idomaths
... *Sigh*
it's this kind of stuff that really bothers me, and it's sad because it's my own religion.
If "you're going to hell" is what I have to look forward to, I'm never coming out to anyone in my church :/