At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas

reply to post by keeblerelf


I would not call this man one of our Solders. He sounds like he was there for the "Paycheck".

When you take the oath to be in our Military, you should be ready to go to action at any time. Most jobs don't require it, but that is not the point.

If he had a problem with being in a war, then you don't join. Ever!

I to this day would ship out to do the duty. But by being a vet and not active or retired, I get the freedom to decide wether it would be just.

Something about this fellow does not sit right.
Something about how this came down does not sit right.
Something about how much and how fast information got out does not sit right.

The fact that it's seems to be "All out there", makes me think they are controlling the story.

Like I've said before, lots of things happen on bases all the time and you will never hear about it. You think they can't find someone that put it on there cell, or computer form on a base? haha Guess again.

You don't want to be in the Military and get taken in by the "Men in Black" so to speak. They literalty own your butt. They can do whatever they want with your butt.
It usually goes away with the end of your contract, but now days they extend them for you also.

Originally posted by kdsidk
It wouldn't be hard to believe that he was injected with a rage inducing syrum of some sort without himself knowing it, handed a gun by some CIA guys and the obvious outcome would be that he used the gun. Maybe his comments made him a good target for them to frame him?

But,to what end? who would benifit from a random shooting ? some sort of offshoot of MK ultra?

reply to post by Bored To Tears


Love the sarcasm but anyway, I stand by my point...

They military trains it's troops to incapacitate and if need be kill other beings in the most efficient manner possible.

How can people be shocked something like this happens?

And by the way Bored...be grateful you have a view with flowers...I served 2002-2006 when I was in the force my view was the bottom of my friends bunk.

The "shooter" was an Army Major that had been recently transferred to Ft. Hood from Walter Reed Medical Center in D.C. He was a muslim. Ans he was a psychiatrist practicing medicine for us in the military ! He has been in the Army for 8 years. He was shot 4 times, but survives unfortunately in the hospital here. I live just a few miles from the base, and have work aquaintances that flew out some of the dead, and wounded.
Personally, I hope justice is carried out before he gets out of the hospital.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Except both of these people from tech killed more than 10 people and both injured many more in a single act of suicidal open violence, and both events seemed like they had more going on than was being reported, or media reports are already contradictory and not clear.

This is your evidence of a conspiracy? Shoddy news-reporting and a double-digit body count? Any type of yarn such as this in any other facet of life aside from conspiracy theory would be considered insanity. Some of you have completely skipped trying to connect the dots and are filling them in yourselves.

Originally posted by hungrydirt
This is your evidence of a conspiracy?

It's a strong reason to suspect there is a conspiracy. You can hardly start asking for proof of this when the news was just reporting all day that the man was dead. This is not the time to be demanding solid proof of anything here, OR to make up/close your mind to all possibilities.

Originally posted by bsbray11
It's a strong reason to suspect there is a conspiracy. You can hardly start asking for proof of this when the news was just reporting all day that the man was dead. This is not the time to be demanding solid proof of anything here, OR to make up/close your mind to all possibilities.

So this is the time to look for proof of... what? A still-born science-fiction novel? What kind of proof should I be looking for? I'm honestly a bit shocked that someone is telling me, on a message board that prompts it's community to deny ignorance, to not demand the best available hard proof on this situation. This is the type of fantastical attitude that breeds reckless paranoia. They went to the same University. They killed people. I'm sure if Hasan would've killed eight people, you would have said "They both killed more than eight people". By searching for some kind of bizarre shadiness behind a situation like this, you only deafen yourself to reality.

Does it strike anyone else as strange, although probably coincidence, that today is the 5th?

Remember, remember...

"Reported" by "someone" as thinking it was "just a drill",....


And the fact is, more than one base had somewhat unusual "drills" last night, hours before the incident.










[edit on 5-11-2009 by smirkley]

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
Wow, this is different. An army officer, opening fire on his fellow soldiers. From what I could gather off of the news and the different sites on the internet is that he is alive, in stable condition, and a Major in the US Army. What gets me is that the CIAR issued a statement condeming the action. They did this to prevent backlash against the muslim communities across the country. As much as I can see how they would think this would work, I find the lack of wording on their part is what gets me. I mean how hard would it be to state, "If you do (an Action) you will not go to heaven, but will go to hell, as (action) is the act of a coward."

They can't put it that way. CAIR are enemy propagandists and connection functionaries. They can't make religious pronouncements sending extremists to hell. That function properly belongs to the imams.

It would be most interesting to hear an imam buck up and preach terrorists into Jihannum. I've heard that a few have, but that's second hand news. I've never heard it happen myself.

Originally posted by hungrydirt
So this is the time to look for proof of... what?

This is the time you pay attention and ask questions while the situation is still fresh and you have a legitimate shot of getting answers or at least something, as opposed to waiting around 4 or 5 years before really looking at what is going on right now. You obviously already have your mind made up about certain things but I don't know why you think you are justified when so little is known as of yet.

Originally posted by Mr Headshot
Does it strike anyone else as strange, although probably coincidence, that today is the 5th?

Remember, remember...

Remember what? One of those retarded prediction dates?

Originally posted by UnderTheirRadar
reply to post by Bored To Tears

 

Love the sarcasm but anyway, I stand by my point...

They military trains it's troops to incapacitate and if need be kill other beings in the most efficient manner possible.

How can people be shocked something like this happens?

And by the way Bored...be grateful you have a view with flowers...I served 2002-2006 when I was in the force my view was the bottom of my friends bunk.

No your point was that military installations are some type of hell that is nothing more then a machine that makes killers.

You are wrong.

8 years stuck in a room with a buddy, married these past two so I have moved out of the barracks. Don't come to me with your 4 year stuff.

Originally posted by Mr Headshot
Does it strike anyone else as strange, although probably coincidence, that today is the 5th?

Remember, remember...

No, it does not strike me as strange. Fawkes was a patriot who tried to take his fight to the corrupt politicians that ran his country. He didn't brutally murder 12 people who had nothing to do with his psyche or his religion.

But, if you want to talk coincidences, yes, it is one indeed. Just like the coincidence that they both attended the same college a decade apart.

reply to post by j2000

When you take the oath to be in our Military, you should be ready to go to action at any time. Most jobs don't require it, but that is not the point.

If he had a problem with being in a war, then you don't join. Ever!

I think there should be a huge sign at every recruiting station stating the above.

The should also put it on every miltary commercial.

Maybe it would help weed out the paycheck warriors.

Here is something that doesn't smell right...if he was a psychiatrist to returning troops at Walter Reed, and sympathized with those who returned against the war(s), then transferred to a close knit base

...why turn the weapon on those you would likely have compassion for? I could see if he was/is truly nuts, but I dunno, popping off the very soldiers I spent my time working with and trying to improve their experience with returning home/deploying, bonding with them over stories they told him etc seems strange.

Oh yeah, and if he feared being deployed couldn't he have just gone AWOL and ditched instead of mass murder?

[edit on 11/5/2009 by shockedonlooker]

reply to post by hungrydirt

Yeah, I'm not trying to put conspiracy into this I just thought it was interesting. And yes, I know the story about Fawkes, people can easily misconstrue things and mistranslate actions. Look at the war in Iraq.

Originally posted by bsbray11
This is the time you pay attention and ask questions while the situation is still fresh and you have a legitimate shot of getting answers or at least something, as opposed to waiting around 4 or 5 years before really looking at what is going on right now. You obviously already have your mind made up about certain things but I don't know why you think you are justified when so little is known as of yet.

No, I've stated time and time again that once everything is more clear, it will be much easier to decide what to believe. I'm justified because unfortunately, I'm not psychic and don't know many of the facts yet, like everyone here. The fact that they both went to Tech and murdered people is a coincidence. You choose to see it as more, thus making an attempt to justify your own thoughts on the matter. It's all a semantic argument really. You see things as question marks where I see logical and definite periods.