At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas

Originally posted by spy66
what if this person was picked on by other fellow colleagues?

I have seen how American soldiers pick on their own people. If you don't blend you will pay dearly. Trust me i have seen it. I bet this doctor got his share of American humor.

The soldiers probably worked this Doctor over the edge. And the Doctor snapped with hatred. This event points to it with clarity.

Him being a terrorist. Yeah one created by the Americans in that camp.

This guy chose a career in the military for Chrissake. He was a psychiatrist with a high rank.

He would have been picked on significantly less than the millions of others who have nee part of the armed forces. 99.9999% of whom did not respond with a mass murder rampage.

And he spoke openly about supporting jihadist actions.

There are mosques and imams throughout the US that promote and encourage the killing of Western people particularly members of the military.

Have you considered their influence?

It is possible that political correctness is incompatible with group survival, because it always seems to console and attempt to placate and include those outside the group, when those outside the group may in fact wish to destroy or transform the group.

Originally posted by mmiichael

It's interesting the majority of contributors to this thread have terrible difficulty dealing with the concept of a devoted Islamist killing American soldiers because he felt it part of his cultural-religious obligation. I'd say it's pretty clear that's what happened here.

Maybe not unrelated, Zawahiri, acting head of the al Qaida/Muslim Brotherhood alliance recently called on sleeper cells and agents in the West to awaken to the call and fulfill their planned attacks.

A wave of them throughout North America since. This is just another one.


M

I don't mean any disrespect, but how can you expect that aggressive and arrogant behavior of your governments and their 'friends' (for example: israel) towards the people (which are mistakenly/on purpose/with agenda called 'terrorists') will not create any 'backfire'?

How can you expect that people who lived relatively normal lives suddenly start to die in vast numbers finding out it was all just for profit of your military-corporate-industrial complex (and who knows what else)?

Logically, the behavior of your leaders (and people that support them) is clearly the reason why

he felt it part of his cultural-religious obligation

the same goes with Zawahiri and everyone else that are fighting back...

Originally posted by hadriana
It is possible that political correctness is incompatible with group survival, because it always seems to console and attempt to placate and include those outside the group, when those outside the group may in fact wish to destroy or transform the group.

Political Correctness - U.S. army style:

Oh look, isn't it great that we have a muslim in the army and he's an officer and a psychiatrist? We're soooo 21st century ...

Oh wait! he just killed and wounded a bunch of people apparently based on his incompatible muslim beliefs ...

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by spy66
what if this person was picked on by other fellow colleagues?

I have seen how American soldiers pick on their own people. If you don't blend you will pay dearly. Trust me i have seen it. I bet this doctor got his share of American humor.

The soldiers probably worked this Doctor over the edge. And the Doctor snapped with hatred. This event points to it with clarity.

Him being a terrorist. Yeah one created by the Americans in that camp.

This guy chose a career in the military for Chrissake. He was a psychiatrist with a high rank.

He would have been picked on significantly less than the millions of others who have nee part of the armed forces. 99.9999% of whom did not respond with a mass murder rampage.

And he spoke openly about supporting jihadist actions.

There are mosques and imams throughout the US that promote and encourage the killing of Western people particularly members of the military.

Have you considered their influence?

Wishful thinking if you ask me. It dosent matter who you are when you are being pushed into a corner and bullied. This doctor was a human just like every one else with feelings. Ok. He had a different skin collar case closed right?

No one needs to go to a mosque to get ideas to solve a problem of this manner. Its just that people are brain washed with religious figures being terrorists all the time. We are so brainwashed that we dont see the cause of our own actions.

Blaming this event on muslims or any other fraction of different religions is an excuse.

It was mentioned that he was bullied by his colleagues as well. And that sure didn't surprise me at all. And it wont surprise me if that is also the cause of this event.

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Congress is filled with dual citicenship zionist israelites.

Have you considered their influence?

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by Phlynx

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by riddle6
Something smells funny, I've never seen a President speak on something like this, this fast.

You know I was thinking the same
this is unprecedented!!!

I was thinking the same thing. That is really odd.

so you'd rather him sit in a classroom full of children an NOT say anything.

You people are crazy. You complain when your president doesn't do anything, and complain when he does.

It's not about what a president does or does not do, it is how he or she does it.

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Back then they were messing with the muslims. What the American public is witnessing is "Blowback", a payback for bullying people in their own land for oil. War is a terrible thing and harmony is obtainable if people will sit down and talk over a brew, consider everyones point of view and accept their religion. There are aggressors on all sides and it is evil itself that needs to be eradicated not human population.

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Thank you for this.
The other day I was feeling that my time on ATS may need to come to an end, when for the first time, someone sent me a horrible u2u. I post on many boards, and never once encountered that level of disrespect. The personal attacks are growing worse around here. There are so many good people here, who outshine all of the negativity, and are full of much knowledge that we need. That is what keeps me coming back.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Asherah]

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by hadriana
It is possible that political correctness is incompatible with group survival, because it always seems to console and attempt to placate and include those outside the group, when those outside the group may in fact wish to destroy or transform the group.

Political Correctness - U.S. army style:

Oh look, isn't it great that we have a muslim in the army and he's an officer and a psychiatrist? We're soooo 21st century ...

Oh wait! he just killed and wounded a bunch of people apparently based on his incompatible muslim beliefs ...

I was thinking exactly that Hadriana and Centurion! Everything in this last bastion of freedom is being undermined by political correctness. Our borders are open, our institutions are open and our pants are down. The USA is wearing a "kick me" sticker on its' back. Could we imagine any of this going on in say Saudi Arabia? Of course not, they're not stupid.

From what I've read this guy has been throwing off red flags for some time. This guy had sleeper cell written all over him. Our military has been undermined by the ACLU and the bleeding hearts. To what end? To undermine the safety of all so that they can sleep well knowing they helped this creep achieve his heart's desire. And they did but that desire wasn't being a loyal member of the US military. "Can't we all just get along?" No!!!

It's shoved in our faces time and again. And how come the enemies of this country get that fact and we don't? My take is the Judeo-Christian ethic has softened this country and much of the world and the Islamic cultures are just hitting their stride. The Islamists want to drive the bus just like every conquering group before them. And if they can't drive the bus they can make zealous loners blow up the bus. Our edges have been rounded over more centuries where theirs are still sharp and jagged. They're still the new kids and haven't been around long enough to want to "play nice". That's not a put down, that's just a fact.

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Why cut Jeanne Dixon? She accurately predicted that a million people would die in 1971 in East Pakistan and not from natural causes. An estimated million people perished in the 1970 hurricane and tidal wave but perhaps 3 million people died in 1971 from (possibly CIA led) Pak Army massacred 3 million people. Then US news media would not touch it like it was the plague. Locals decided that that was the proof the CIA was behind it, because the American media would not touch it.

Remember remember the fifth of November
the gunpowder treason and plot
I know of no reason
why the gunpowder treason
should ever be forgot.

[edit on 6-11-2009 by randyvs]

I knew they were going to come up with a Middle Eastern name.... Terror! Terror! Terror! Terror! Terror! This is just another stunt to slowly get people to accept the coming "CHANGE". _javascript:icon('')

Maybe he didn't get the new copy of Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.

You never know what those psychiatrists are capable of if they don't get what they want.

[edit on 6/11/09 by Souljah]

the guys got a pshyc degree probably tried to tell the troops its not that bad over there but then his number came up and pavlovs dogs started talking to him and the snipers missed him come on do we need to bring on jack rubys third cousin

Late night TV news here in Melbourne just confirmed a 13th death.

It was bound to happen. Mixing false patriotism, with guns, fanatical religion and false wars sure does bring out the worst in some people.

Originally posted by dwiggen
Here's an update because I haven't seen anything yet:

All three were soldiers, one was a Major (a fairly high ranking officer), and the original shooter was an Army mental health officer... ironic. All three are in their late thirties or early forties. That's the part that strikes me as the most odd. I could understand if these guys were a couple of young privates scared of getting deployed, or not happy with the way things were going in their lives. But these were middle aged men, with seemingly successful careers. Why would they suddenly throw that all away by shooting up a Soldier Readiness Center?

Also, they've already ruled out terrorism.

Why would an Army mental health officer go balistic? Maybe he was told to do something he didn't like. Maybe this is a coverup for getting rid of soldiers that refuse orders. Why were schools locked down. Did this have something to do with mandatory vaccination? Are military parents allowed to refuse vaccines for their children? If he is a Moslem, could he have been refusing vaccination because Swineflu vaccine has pig material in it?

This is exactly what I meant in my "wake up america" post the other day (here: www.abovetopsecret.com...).

Muslims have no loyalty to any army, state, or ideology EXCEPT Islam.

What will happen next?

Do you think "special laws" will have to be passed in the US to "protect" Muslims from a backlash from "Nazi Racists"?

Will protecting them mean a ban on criticising religion, which will alter your constitutional rights to free speech?

This is the way that the things in my post warned you about will happen.

Watch out for it.....

Originally posted by mmiichael
This guy chose a career in the military for Chrissake. He was a psychiatrist with a high rank.

He would have been picked on significantly less than the millions of others who have nee part of the armed forces. 99.9999% of whom did not respond with a mass murder rampage.

And he spoke openly about supporting jihadist actions.

There are mosques and imams throughout the US that promote and encourage the killing of Western people particularly members of the military.

Have you considered their influence?

[edit on 6-11-2009 by Power_Semi]

Originally posted by Highground
reply to post by hungrydirt

 

You forgot about the kid that grabbed a girl, took her to the ground, and started sawing her head off with a blank expression on his face.

This was in January.
This was at VT.

www.cnn.com...
abcnews.go.com...

Added second source

[edit on 5-11-2009 by Highground]

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything being discussed here, other than a murder that took place near Virginia Tech. To be honest, aside from prediction threads, I have never been privy to see one of these ridiculous conspiracy theories be woven. It's both saddening and alarming at the same time.

Keep looking. I'm sure there have been more people murdered in Blacksburg since VA Tech's inception. They were probably all under the influence of mind control. I mean, regular old nut-job humans never are responsible for grizzly actions like this, right? I mean, believing they were part of a conspiracy helps us detach them partially from cold reality, thus helping us wrap our minds around what they've done, right? That is ignorance in it's purest form. Stop wallowing in it.

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I was not an MP. I had to go thru 3 check points, 2 with searches just to get into my job. I spent the last 4 years on "Looking Glass" and the last three working on the E-4b. We were down with the crypto guys, but they had to go into a vault after that.

I guess I am not ok with the civilian mix in my military. I have a different perspective I guess. I was only around expensive equipment installations both in the Military and working as a high level Engineer with the Military Industrial Complex. Military should be what it is. A different world apart from the normal life.