At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas

reply to post by UncivilCivilian


You posted this in another thread. I think it is some good points and the fact that you were there on Post today when it happed.

I'm a contractor on post who regularly works at the SRP/Soldier Readiness Site f.k.a. The Sports Dome. I wasn't there today, but I was on post. However, I have several questions about this event.

1) From the deck of the SRP site you can actually see the Clear Creek entrance gate, which contains atleast 15 armed guards. Not to mention the South Range Rd. gate, which has atleast another 5.

2) Why is there no news coverage of the shootings at the Clear Creek PX, Liberty Village, and Comanche Village?

3)Why is the national media not reporting how the military and police are currently raiding an apartment on 4th st. in Killeen, TX?

4) Why are there conflicting reports that there were simultaneous shootings at the SRP site and across the street at Howze theater?

There's a lot of conlficting reports between eye witnesses and local media coverage. The whole thing is real suspicious.

reply to post by anotherdad


Arn't Oathkeepers sworn to defend Americans even from government if govt means them harm.

Originally posted by Regenmacher

As for this Hasan character, it appears to he had a psychotic snap, which may indicate he was addicted to meth or go-pills.

Could be. Or it could be that, being a psychiatrist, he himself was nutty as squirrel turds.

I mean nothing against psychiatry by that. My first wife was a psychologist, and crazy as a blind bat. She once told me in a lucid episode that everyone in the psychatric professions have their own analysts. She had two main theories on the phenomena. One was that they heard so much lunacy during the course of work that it frequently gave them problems. The other was that she felt most folks went into the profession searching for answers to pre-existing problems they had to begin with.

Then again, what would she know? She was mad as a hatter!

The shooter is currently at Scott and White Hospital in Temple, Tx. The FBI must have him under guard now.

After reading this, it gets even stinkier:

www.cnn.com...

CNN is giving us a Hollywood story full of contradictions.

He was a good man...
But there are crumbs...
Born American of Jordanian ancestry...

Staff Sgt. Marc Molano, currently based at Fort Knox, Kentucky, told CNN he was treated by Hasan for post-traumatic stress disorder while at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington earlier this year.

"Dr. Hasan provided me with nothing but the best care," Molana said. "He was a very well-mannered, polite psychiatrist, and it's just a shock to know that Dr. Hasan could have done this. It's still kind of hard to believe."

Molano described him as "far and away one of the best psychiatrists I ever dealt with."

reply to post by jam321

Maybe the city wide lockdown is just an excuse to practice city-wide lockdowns. This is something the "conspiracy theories" have warned about for a while. As long as the lock-down doesn't last very long, but if it continues then we are in trouble. This is one of the things Oathkeepers is sworn to oppose, locking down any city to make it into a concentration camp.

reply to post by nenothtu


Back when I was in Military Police = MP's where the only force taking care of our bases. Civilian cops had no authority what so ever. What changed?

I'd love to know why everyone was led to believe he was dead all day. Were his military records or internet activities being scrubbed or altered in some way?

Originally posted by m khan
reply to post by anotherdad

 

Arn't Oathkeepers sworn to defend Americans even from government if govt means them harm.

Yes, but there is no connection at all between the Oathkeepers and this Hasan fellow. And by no connection i mean... literally no connection. He gunned down not only military personnel, but a police officer and assorted civilians as well.

Bringing the Oathkeepers in to this affair does nothing but drag their name through the mud.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen

The Civilian LEO involved at Ft. Hood (Who was killed in the line of duty) was DOD, not Local.

I retract my comment about her employment, then. It was my understanding she was a local employed there off duty on contract. I was misinformed. There's a lot of that going around at the moment.

One question I do have however, for anyone who has any recent experience at Ft. Hood, is to whether or not they still use civilian guards at the gates there? I noticed an increase in this many years ago at Norfolk, and I truly detest it. The Civilian Sentinels act like complete slumps, they don't even stand at approach, and they never salute. When I was at Key West Naval Air Station recently however, I was glad to finally witness USN SP manning the gates and base grounds again. I noticed the same at a few other Forts, but I have no idea what the situation is at Ft. Hood.

I went down to Camp McCall at Fort Bragg towards the end of August, and they still had civilian gate security there at that time. Those guys were pretty on the ball, though. Ya gotta figure, they probably weren't looking forward to any potential ass-chewings from SF NCO's.

There is definitely stink to this story.

Remember Virginia Tech being in the news two years ago for 32 people being shot to death by a student? It's now breaking news here locally that this guy graduated from that same school.

The same school is also located near a DARPA facility accused of hosting MK-ULTRA-like mind-control experiments in a 1995 book by a lady named Cathy O'Brien claiming to be a victim. See this thread for the news stories coming out now about him being VA Tech alumnus: www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Originally posted by kosmicjack
I'd love to know why everyone was led to believe he was dead all day. Were his military records or internet activities being scrubbed or altered in some way?

Ditto

2nd line

If they never release the names of those injured we might be concerned. If the names were all foreign and from some recognizable country it might be a connection with NLE 09,exercising UN troops on US soil, to intimidate Americans to give up their Constitutional freedoms.

I also find it mind boggling that a military psychiatrist would be such a prolific shooter. That he would be able to connect with so many targets in what had to be complete mayhem - with so many other military personnel in the immediate vicinity unable to stop him before he did more damage.

This reeks.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
I'd love to know why everyone was led to believe he was dead all day. Were his military records or internet activities being scrubbed or altered in some way?

It just means they got it wrong.

They also reported a female first responder dead and she is still alive.

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by Sergeant Stiletto

 

Oh what a bunch of BULL#! No patriot is going perpetuate wanton violence on innocent people. But innocents? No way! Innocents include women and children. remember that.

There are numerous patriots who've instigated violence in the name of God and Country. Your point is moot. Remind the victims of our firebombing Europe and Japan in WWII.

Originally posted by Aggie Man
I say take the soldiers out of lock down and arm them up. 35,000 armed soldiers vs. 1 or 2 shooters...

...would result in chaos, and the inevitable friendly-fire. Bad idea.

Originally posted by Aggie Man
Of course they are going to say that...could you imagine the panic if they stated otherwise?

No matter how you slice it, they are still terrorists...homegrown perhaps, but still terrorism.

A matter of perspective: I wouldn't have questioned just the use of the term "terrorism", but when you add homegrown it takes on a whole new dynamic which I'm not fully sure you've properly explored. But say whatever you like, it's the net.

Originally posted by badmedia
Wouldn't the military target by default make it not a terrorist attack?

I always thought of terrorist attacks as being against civilians.

Finally, someone with something insightful and intelligent to offer. Thank you.

Originally posted by CX

Originally posted by Zeta Reticuli
big whoopty doo!

worse cases happen on a daily basis in other countries. and i dont see anybody crying over them. they are still human nonetheless so it doesnt mean u can sympathize for this event and not for all the daily massacres and bombings in the middle east.

dont be fickle.

Why do people always write things like this?
CX.

Truthful perspective. Truth hurts. Truth shows up frequently uninvited and unwanted. Living a truthful life is living a lonely life, to paraphrase Diogenes.

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Well if these soldiers are supposedly Muslim converts this story is no surprise. Just like the soldier that threw a grenade into a group of soldier's tent. He was sick of seeing his fellow Muslims being killed. Well maybe the stupid US military needs to quit recruiting muslims and any tom dick and harry who wants to go fight. What's next? We go to war with Mexican drug cartels and the hispanic US soldiers start killing other soldiers? I wouldn't be surprised if the US military was infiltrated by the Taliban at this point as inept and backasswards as our government is.......the military is just an extension of that ineptness.

I was brought up to feel the same way about Roman Catholics. You see, I'm 18th generation "American" which actually puts my roots in North America here well before there was anything more than settlements. My family abhors Roman Catholics as much as many people dislike Muslims. They blame Catholics for a myriad of crimes, and as our primary reason for leaving Europe in the late 16th century, even documenting this in our family bible.

The point? It's perspective. Some people who are no doubt more "American" than many could ever hope to be (myself and my family) see an enemy in another religious group which is accepted here. What I've learned, and what any of you should take from this is: don't blame religion for the short comings of a few people. What you see as wrong and bad with a religion (and we can all find, and pretend to quote, bad hateful things in each of their respective holy works), others do not. Look inward before looking outward: someone might see YOU as the enemy/problem.

I really don't see anything new here after all these pages, just wild speculation and saber rattling with the usual "my cousins uncle sister brother is there".

"A soldier who asked not to be identified told CNN that an e-mail went out to all base personnel instructing them not to speak to the media."

www.cnn.com...

Stinky...

Originally posted by kosmicjack
I also find it mind boggling that a military psychiatrist would be such a prolific shooter. That he would be able to connect with so many targets in what had to be complete mayhem - with so many other military personnel in the immediate vicinity unable to stop him before he did more damage.

This reeks.

yes it stinks badly.

Pretty good kill rate for someone that shot maybe once or twice a year if that. Might be fish in a barrel, but I can't believe that many just returning would not jump on him after a couple of shots, or on a reload.
There are many things about this that just don't add up.

reply to post by sealteamsix


Not stinky, military are usually told not to speak to reporters without approval.

reply to post by j2000


Notice how everyone is coming out of the woodwork and stating that he was odd, unhappy, saying and posting un-American things. Whatever. That sounds like a clean-up job to me.

If any of that is true then our tax dollars that went to Homeland Security need to be returned and the entire Department needs to be abolished. No idiot should ever ask me to take off my shoes again when going through airport security.

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