At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
So let me get this straight.

Not only was this guy of Jordanian descent... and perhaps a recent convert to Islam (that's a tough one to determine if you ask me), but he was a Major... that's at least an O-4

AND he was a PSYCHIATRIST!!! This is right out of a movie...



[edit on 5-11-2009 by HunkaHunka]

Most terrorists are doctors and engineers. Not out of a movie, this is common knowledge.

Don't forget the Republicans are already spinning this to justify renewing the Patriot Act which is coming up for renewal in 2 months. A Republican congressman from Texas was Fox News a few minutes ago talking about how essential it is to keep the Patriot Act in place to prevent things like this from happening in the future (which is hilarious because it was a swing and miss this time wasn't it) and perhaps even adding sharper teeth.

All I know is we're going to get *Snip* from this as this is going to be justification to add even more provisions and laws when the Patriot Act comes up for review in a few months.

This couldn't have happened at a worse (or better) time for internet freedoms.

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[edit on 11/5/2009 by semperfortis]

Stayed away from ATS after I heard the news because I knew this is what it would turn into. Forgive me if I've missed some brilliant insight here, I've no intention of going through thirty pages of posts, but here's an idea; why don't we all just admit that none of us know what the hell set this guy off, wait for some more insight from wherever it might come, and make up our minds after we see what evidence turns up as to what this headshrink Major was thinking? Not wanting to deploy and having a Muslim name explains precisely #$@% in this day and age.

In the meantime, bless the dead and those poor people either still under lockdown or wondering where their loved ones are at Hood.

[edit on 5-11-2009 by Legion2112]

This guy graduated from VA Tech, the same school that was another news sensation a few years ago for being shot up, and has a 3000-ft. underground DARPA base nearby.

Originally posted by m khan
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

If many of the killed/injured just came back from a combat zone maybe there is something that they know that the government doesn't want to get out.
A false flag attack would be useful to kill the most angry and to shut up anybody left that can be intimidated. The only way to know what is happening is to hear it from them. The administration was alerting the DHS in that infamous MIAC report about the dangers of disgruntled returning servicemen, maybe there is something our soldiers would tell us if they could about what is really happening overseas.

Well, my youngest brother fought in both battles for Fallujah, and later served in Afghanistan. Alas, the only monstrous secrets about the military operations in the Mid-East he divulged to me were that it was really hot and the anti-Coalition forces were horrible shots.

Every night from here on out, I shall pray that the Grand Poobah of the Black Government doesn't send a chubby Jordanian-American to make him sleep with the fishes.

I was just reading about the Port Arthur Massacre, and Jonestown being military black ops and covered up. This is what our government is made of. We let them run loose for the last fifty years with no oversight whatsoever, it is a wonder we have lived this long.

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The lockdown means that no one was allowed to enter or exit from the base. That ensures that the shooter or shooters remained trapped inside and could not escape. Once the police were certain that they had all suspects in custody, the lockdown was cancelled. There is nothing conspiratorial in that.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
Also, they are now reporting that Major Hassan had a semi-automatic firearm (ie, an Assault Rifle type), and that would completely explain how he managed to injure and kill so many (30 Rounds per AR/AK Magazine, and possibly 15 Rounds per Handgun). Even if he had one Sidearm, and One Rifle, he would still have the ability to injure/kill the numbers he did without reloading.

The place where this occured used to be a club called The Sports Dome. All the soldiers used to go there to get drunk and fight until they closed it. It's built like a club, with minimal exits. I've been in there alot, and it's pretty much like shooting fish in a barrel.

Just a thought here but I think we are just about to find out what the FEMA Camps are for.

Shades of World War II Japanese Internment Camps.

Convenient for a little event called a World War. Thankfully we aren't in the midst of a huge economic crisis like we were before World War II.

Originally posted by Aggie Man
It just occurred to me....

What were civilian LEO doing at a military base? So the military has a problem...call the locals in? What gives? On a base full of trained soldiers...they go on lock down and let the police handle it...why?

The LEO killed in the line of duty today is a HERO!!! BUT, should he have even been there?

Lots of cops work some off duty time providing security for extra cash. Around here the sheriffs' department charges about 3.00 an hour less for off duty deputies than private armed security companies charge. The department only skims off about a dollar an hour from it, gives the deputy the rest, so they charge less and get paid more than we did. It's a win-win situation for everyone. The plus to me was having sworn officers to back me up, and a plus to them was having unsworn officers there to back them up. We could do things they couldn't, and vice-versa.

The on duty police have jurisdiction in the area around the post, up to the wire, and can be used on post by request for extra backup, just as a sworn officer around here could call on me for backup, or even to direct traffic while he handled the legal aspects of the mess. While operating under request by a sworn officer, I had "deputized authority" until the incident was over, and my service was no longer required.

Didn't get paid any extra, though.

College Campus police officers and private "company" police officers, although sworn, have limited jurisdiction which can be suddenly expanded per incident by request from city police, and vice versa as well.

That's how it works around here, anyhow.

The civilian cop who shot the shooter was female, and was working as security on the post, off regular duty I presume.

Another factor is that on-duty local police are already armed and ready to respond, whereas off-duty military police probably have to go draw out weapons if the get unexpectedly called on duty.

It would then be a matter of response speed.

[edit on 2009/11/5 by nenothtu]

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SEE! I told Ya! The 6:45pm(pacific) news briefing on my local radio station just announced that the shooter is ALIVE!!

HASSAN is ALIVE!!

Look at pg. 8, 6th entry down, I said DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING YOU HEAR FOR 3-4 MOS.!

The so called Media In this country are ALL on Drugs (either illegal or prescription), Their brains are ADDLED!(not working properly).

WAIT! WAIT! WAIT!

Wait to see what they are going to try to do to US in the near future!, I don't know, but some drug addled Congressman or Senator is going to put some psychotic anti-american legislation/bill up to take away some right or another "in order to protect our soldiers from themselves".

When so far it looks (I know making this statement may violate my own rule) like they KNEW about him (reported on t.v. news) that federal authorities had him under surveilience for the last 6 mos.

If this is TRUE (sic), then it is the federal govt. sole fault (responsibility) for this event happening!

Anyway, keep your eyes open (pay attention to your surroundings) and mouths shut (don't believe ANYTHING you here on the T.V.) because THEY are just waiting to take US down! (Yeah, I know they are probably monitoring this site, but the time is here for all great men to stand up and fight for the right to be FREEEEEEE!!!!!) Don't get me started about whether or not we ARE free. If you can't tell, I can't help you.



Bye.

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I agree, we have lock downs at our local base almost every week, because prank calls about bombs, specially when its time for rush hour in the afternoon, most of the personnel are civilians, so you can imagine all the people trying to leave the base and they can not.

If cell phones are shut down that might be why we are not getting news from people,

Originally posted by bsbray11
This guy graduated from VA Tech, the same school that was another news sensation a few years ago for being shot up, and has a 3000-ft. underground DARPA base nearby.

When I heard that I was like... wait...what!? That is a huge question mark in my mind. I think that's three killings in as many years associated VA Tech.

Come on! The guy was a psychiatrist specializing in stress disorders:

www.mcclatchydc.com...

I'm thinking there is much more to this than meets the eye.

"Warrior Combat Stress Reset Program"

Sounds like mind control to me, just saying.

[edit on 5/11/2009 by kosmicjack]

A mad snapping Muslim convert, his hands shaking from rage, using two hand pieces at the same time shot dead 11 men and wounded 31...

Reminds us of a raging mad communist bullet that killed JFK several times by swiftly ricocheting time and again...

I'm gonna go off and many of you here won't like what I am saying.
This is a person of Middle East descent, a Muslim, had said many times that he disliked American policy, was quiet, single and with no children, had many oppurtunities to leave the American servitude that is ALSO known as military service, stayed in for oh, I don't know how many years and still said " they're picking on me", the JAG's said suck it up and he didn't like the answer. He disconnected.
I am no shrink, but I know a nut job when I see one.

I have no love for the religion of Islam, specifically terrorism. But this is not the event to give people a reason to start cutting the adherents of Islam down.
Not now, not ever.
Settle it on a batttlefield, not the playground

Originally posted by m khan
A false flag attack would be useful to kill the most angry and to shut up anybody left that can be intimidated. The only way to know what is happening is to hear it from them. The administration was alerting the DHS in that infamous MIAC report about the dangers of disgruntled returning servicemen, maybe there is something our soldiers would tell us if they could about what is really happening overseas.

Yes it must be a false flag - what else?

Time to start hunting for a Mossad connection.

A lunatic Muslim killing innocent people out of sheer hatred? How can anyone even think that's possible?

It's a set up I tell ya.

The CG said that she was Department of the Army contracted security.

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
Political correctness run amok at Fort Hood.

What do you expect when you are not allowed to profile potential Muslim threats?

I've also thought of this. The retired Army guy interviewed by Shep Smith said the shooter had been ranting and raving about the war at a conference 6 months ago and had also seemed happy about the muslim that shot the people at the Little Rock, AR recruiting center earlier this year. Said muslims need to strap on bombs ...

So, the army knows about this guy and has every reason in the world to profile this guy, but no. They also need to be able to say look we have muslims in the army, isn't it great? All to satisfy all the PC fools in this country. Look what PC gets you.

I have a stepson in the army. Why shouldn't he feel like he needs to keep an eye on anyone he sees with a muslim name on his name plate?

And before anyone says anything about Christians, please point us to all the articles about Christians shooting their fellow soldiers because they are are against the war - or shooting their fellow soldiers for any reason.

Wow, this is different. An army officer, opening fire on his fellow soldiers. From what I could gather off of the news and the different sites on the internet is that he is alive, in stable condition, and a Major in the US Army. What gets me is that the CIAR issued a statement condeming the action. They did this to prevent backlash against the muslim communities across the country. As much as I can see how they would think this would work, I find the lack of wording on their part is what gets me. I mean how hard would it be to state, "If you do (an Action) you will not go to heaven, but will go to hell, as (action) is the act of a coward."