Should I really feel this way?

And I ask, how's a dead starving kid being stalked by a vulcher gonna help this guy?

It's not about who has food, TV and a roof over their heads and who hasn't - it's a state of mind.
I'll cut the philosophical bull# and give you some real advice

1. Write down the things you want most, they have to have a certain amount of probability or are do-able.

2. Write as much until you feel tired (mentally) and cannot write anymore

3. Close the book/put the pages away somewhere that you'll never see it again and forget you ever wrote those things

4. See the changes, you'll remember you wrote them down!

5. Do it over again, elaborate on the ones which didnt happen and you know why they didn't



Do what your parents tell you to, keep your Facebook deleted, remember your on top of the world! Meditate if that helps you in anyway

To the depressing idiots who post those pictures, look up weltschmerz and think about the attitude your conveying!

reply to post by ldyserenity


Hi.

Still reading the thread.

But the way you describe is how i sometimes feel and i'm sure many identify also.

Modern life will do that to you.

I meditate etc and have efficient means of self analysis and transposing negative to positive, i have to because with me negative energies are destructive on a few levels.

Of course you have a perfect right to feel how you do and how you feel is correct in regards of your emotional self, it shouldn't be a case of whether others think you are correct to think such or not.

One of the things we do in modern life is we lose our grounding to nature, the vibrations of nature are very important to us as individuals whether one realises this or not, we are all born to the planet and resonate the same energies, this also happens to us from the gentle influences of other planets etc as in Astrology but that's different to nature itself.

If you can, i'd do yourself a favour and grab a tent and a sleeping bag, some provisions etc, then go to a forest area not frequented by people much if at all for a while, mountainous areas are good as well.

Bring a half decent telescope and do some sky watching.

Meditate out the reality of modern life and tune into nature and the planet and if you use Mary Jane, get stoned there and tune into the natural environment and your inner holography etc.


It will do you the world of good, energise your spiritual self and you will feel much more balanced and at one with nature and the world.

Paxus.

reply to post by wylekat


pretty shallow man

i am ugly myself, still i got many beautiful women in my life, making so many guys so insane and jealous with me (at time not so easy to cope with as it was turning real real nasty for those girls and I) as they could never understood or figure out why they were after me while not giving even one look at them...

note: that was not from the start, that was a change that started happening in my late 20's; took me years to accept it, since i was not used with this...

one day, during this confusing time, i confessed this thing on the web to a woman that didn't know me physically. her answer to my genuine question ("why does girls are interested into me, i honestly don't get it...?") was real quick, straight and direct : "easy, we prefer a man with a soul to any empty plastic beauty without character..."

as a matter of fact and as the perfect example : do you know about serge gainsbourg and his many many women ? if not make a google image search...

A very refreshing post.

Dude, your just young and taking life way to hard and much too seriously.

Its great to see that you seem so guilty for giving up on the entire human race, ( Don't worry, we forgive you.) Some people lack the ability for even this amount of caring.

Just remember, life isn't about only yourself and you are not responsibile for the entire human race. So dont feel bad when either of them let you down.

Just try and be the saviour for those who mean the most to you... the rest of human-kind will get along just fine.

Honestly chick, im not being funny but you can do anything you want to do, some people dont get the best start as others.
I have been thru all what you have, i was a big lad at school i got bullied straight for 10 years, until 1 day i turned round to one of em, an bost the mans jaw. It took me to do something about the situation for it to stop.
I also had years of bad childhood with parents drinking and violence an all that, living with no money, taking all kindza drugs up until bout 19.
but u know what, im 25 now, i had an ok job got made redundant (the UK is in a bad place at the mo lol), i have a stunning girlfriend, a flat of my own and a baby on the way in november, i couldnt be anymore happier, but..... i went out and grabbed it for myself, things never come to those who dont do something to change the situation themselves.

I dont mean to sound patronizing or anything, i am just tryin to say that you need to get away from all these bad elements in your life, they are just dragging you down, moving away could help. U will find out there is soooo much out there for you, it aint all bad chick.
chin up

reply to post by DeltaPan


I have to warn about taking psychedelics, it dosn't really do much for peace of mind. Infact sitting in nature and smoking a J really begs for more questions than it can answer, if you are such a state, LsD/'___' will do even less for you. Psychedelics are really only a world of confusion, I can tell the OP is a more practical person - good vibrations don't sit for everyone, maybe if your an old fart in retirement, kick yourself out and sit in a forest. However if your young 'n still kickn' focus on ambitions!

^^^^^ those hallucinogens eh? leave em well alone, they just wreck ur head lol!!!!!!

[edit on 10-8-2009 by ukman2009]

reply to post by ldyserenity


Pathetic, you have no clue. My life was fecked up by genetic illness but i don't whine and cry like a pathetic idiot. I saved my OWN money, which was extremely hard to come by as i'm so unwell, and started a road to a masters degree. You are truly pathetic, i get so angry with people who have good health and cry and whine like they have it hard.

Let me tell you something, YOU are the problem. People gave you a hard time? Well guess what, lots of people have had similar circumstances and they pulled through. They took that situation and worked their arses off to get somewhere. They didn't cut classes like you did, they stayed in there and showed the horrible people who called them a loser how wrong they were. They became hard working, often very well off people and only see the horrible people once a year when they pass a McDonalds.

You rlife isn't over, get a rubbish, menial job. Save your money, then go to college if your heart is set on it. Some people have to work harder due to ciscumstances but when you come out the other side of that situation you will have a tremendous amount of self worth.

One must understand and experience the bad and down things in life in order to better savor and relish the good and the high things in life.

A rich man should rightly be jealous and envious to see a poor man enjoy a fine meal in a way he cannot understand. A hard-worked, well-deserved, and special occasion.

If you never felt bad. How could you feel good?

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by ldyserenity

 

Pathetic, you have no clue. My life was fecked up by genetic illness but i don't whine and cry like a pathetic idiot. I saved my OWN money, which was extremely hard to come by as i'm so unwell, and started a road to a masters degree. You are truly pathetic, i get so angry with people who have good health and cry and whine like they have it hard.

Let me tell you something, YOU are the problem. People gave you a hard time? Well guess what, lots of people have had similar circumstances and they pulled through. They took that situation and worked their arses off to get somewhere. They didn't cut classes like you did, they stayed in there and showed the horrible people who called them a loser how wrong they were. They became hard working, often very well off people and only see the horrible people once a year when they pass a McDonalds.

You rlife isn't over, get a rubbish, menial job. Save your money, then go to college if your heart is set on it. Some people have to work harder due to ciscumstances but when you come out the other side of that situation you will have a tremendous amount of self worth.

I watched the episode of South Park earlier, where Randy says ''n-word'' on Wheel of Fortune then Stan has to deal with Token feeling upset about it. Stan tries to find all the ways in the world to apolagise by telling Tolken he knows how it must feel. In the end Stan realises he dosn't know how it feels and he never will

I think they were trying tell us something there...

I'm done with humanity too.

We suck.

We don't treat anything other than our property with respect.

I really want to be harsh in my response, but I won't. Because I know what it's like. Somtimes life is hard.

I understand that things can be tough. Life is never easy. But, there's one thing I learned growing up in much the same manner, it's that it doesn't get any easier. Maybe you'll get into college. Maybe you'll find true friends that love and support you no matter what. Even if everything at once started to go your way ... Life is waiting just around the corner to trample on your dreams. It's hard. But, in those trying moments you have to take a step back. Dislodge all those bothers. Take a deep breathe and see life for what it is. A miracle. Whether you believe in God or not – for all we know, you only get one chance at this. Life has a tremendous beauty to it. I can see it in the sunset. In a tree. In human beings. Sometimes it's a lot harder to see in humans, but it's there in everyone.

I've wanted to give up many times. Mostly in high school. Then, just after I began my career. It's just hard sometimes. Life is never easy, but there's always beauty in it though your mind blinds your eye to it a lot of the time.

There are people in Africa still dying of genocide. But they still get excited about receiving hybrid seeds and fertilizer so that they can grow crops. They rejoice when a fresh water well is dug a kilometer from their village.

Don't take your life for granted. You should be thankful you weren't born in a third world country ... but, then again - most people in third world countries are thankful that they were born at all.

Think about this for a moment: you could have it worse. You could have been paralized, unable to move and talk. But you have all your senses, you can communicate and tell us how you feel. Think about that. Look around; there's beauty and goodness everywhere but sometimes we're too angrey or too busy or to into our own problems to realize it. Yes, there's ugliness too, but at the end is your choice: You can let yourself be drawn into darkness or just give that little light in you a chance. Go outside, go to a park, look at nature, smell it, touch it, observe it, forget about everything else in your life and then go and say something nice to a total stranger, maybe just a genuine smile; it'll come back to you. It'll change your life.

I had similar experiences in my life, though I am older than you. I pretty much keep to myself now, have only a few friends, none of whom I am real close. My experience has shown humans are out for themselves, and one will end up getting screwed in almost all relationships, rather it be family or friends. Most people care about themselves FIRST, which breeds selfishness and not caring,

I have made it a point in my life to learn to get along with myself, FIRST, then worry about other relationships. I have had a dog over the past 20 years, I prefer the canine relationship over human.

Read a lot, watch movies and DO NOT watch TV! Living in reality is fun and challenging, and if you stop watching TV, you will find yourself in a whole new reality, or "living outside the matrix".

Good Luck to you and hang in there!

reply to post by ldyserenity


Quit feeling sorry for yourself, the whole fact that you've lived your life this way is the reason your the way you are. I believe people don't change, if your meant to be a rapist you'll be one just like if your meant to be a underachiever you'll be one. Clearly the fact that this happened to you seconds my point, your parents seemed to have just cause to feel disgraced by you and to tell you your not going to do anything in a major college, I cut class more then a third of the years through 11th and 12th grade and still passed in the top third of my class. My parents told me the same thing, I'm successful and it has nothing to do with them, it's got everything to do with me. If you can't stand up for yourself no one will. So like you've heard so much in your life crawl into that hole because in the long run all you have is yourself and if thats your decision no one else will care.

Not trying to be harsh just realistic and feeling sorry for yourself is clearly getting you no where, you want something get it, you want nothing then don't. You are what makes you and if people see that your not going to take anyone's crap they'll start to respect you. If you let everyone walk all over you well.... then they'll just continue to do that.

[edit on 10-8-2009 by NoJoker13]

reply to post by wylekat



You took my sentence out of context.

1. Such a foul tactic says a lot about you

2. Yes, everyone, regardless of their outer experience can be beautiful if he has an inner light. Not in the eyes of everyone, but at least in the eyes of some.

upload.wikimedia.org...

the girl is Ella Fitzgerald. And, whether you see it or not, she is beautiful

[edit on 10-8-2009 by Wachstum]

reply to post by ldyserenity


Humans suck! Show us the way! Start with yourself.

Originally posted by octaviameister

Read a lot, watch movies and DO NOT watch TV! Living in reality is fun and challenging, and if you stop watching TV, you will find yourself in a whole new reality, or "living outside the matrix".

Good Luck to you and hang in there!

I totally agree, staying away from TV is a great feeling - but what's best is actually turning it on that one day in a month, you start realising stuff you hadn't before.

Im not sure if this has been brought up at all in this thread, whether or not ego is a good or bad thing. Im inclined to think it is religious dogma which demonizes in a way, the human behaviour to think overly high of them selves. Perhaps its the difference between ego and honesty, whether you drive yourself further or pretend your something your not. It's never wrong to question your morales.

Ill stop now and sleep I still stick by the first post on this page I made, it really has worked for me

[edit on 10-8-2009 by JRSB]

reply to post by LiveForever8



I'm preparing for Sierra Leone at the moment, and your image is in line with my reaction to the OP. I'll try to be a bit more gentle, though .

Several of you defy the response by LiveForever8, arguing that it disregards the genuine anguish experienced by the OP and other sufferers. The fact of the matter is that many people indeed pull themselves out of deep depression by acknowledging precisely that element of reality. It is extraordinarily powerful, though direct involvement (rather than simply viewing images) is the true healer. Happiness depends more upon the way you perceive your place in the world than anything else--beyond treatment you've received, trauma you've suffered and even living conditions. From my encounters with people around the world, I cannot conclude anything else.

I work in the field of aid to the developing world; this carries me to rather heartening regions. The most striking detail, from my very first aid trip to the most recent, is the upbeat resilience--I'll use that word, but it's more accurately an indescribable spirit--of people experiencing truly atrocious conditions. It was baffling, just baffling to me when I first encountered it. I'm still stunned each time despite my anticipation of it.

I certainly see many trauma victims who are characteristically distant or fearful, though they attempt to be stoic. But mental anguish tends to be expressed only in fleeting moments. The pain they feel is profound and damaging, but it's as though there is a consensus among the majority of, "I will allow myself to acknowledge and experience the pain for only a few moments, but no longer." They grieve and struggle, but they continue on. It is very rare for me to meet an aid recipient who expresses hopelessness or contemplation of suicide, despite the ample cause they have for such a negative mentality.

When I first traveled alone for an aid project, I was sixteen years old and in the midst of a years-long depression sparked by a childhood assault. Medication, various therapies and extensive hospitalisation had not improved my feelings. I left for Africa in a soul-tumult, not knowing how to put myself back together. I soon discovered the difficulty of sustaining depression when you're surrounded by victims of poverty, war and disease, all of them expecting you--volunteer that you are, prepared for this or not--to help them, speak to them, just be with them. I found my sadness and anger moving from a "me" position to an outward direction. When I cried, screamed, or beat my fists to the dirt, I was not doing it for my own personal suffering. It was an outwardly flowing expression of the pain that comes from compassion and concern for the suffering of other people. This was community (shared) pain. Because it is outwardly directed, it compels action and effort rather than the isolation and immobility produced by individualistic depression. We see this desire for "action and effort" manifest in both militias and beneficial community groups; we can choose to seek violence or peace, but a choice must be made. Action is a persistent urge.

It seems to me that this (introspection and isolation vs. community mindset and mental resilience) is the heart of the matter. The feeling among most in developing regions is that your suffering is not yours alone; the community suffers a collective trauma. The days must continue on in spite of your own experiences; the animals must be tended to and the water gathered. Great pain is present and it can become overwhelming, but you try to keep moving.

I worked with a woman in a refugee camp whose three children had been lost in war; she was herself recovering from the physical trauma inflicted by several soldiers. During our conversation one day, she said to me, "If I stop to remember it for too long, I will drown." Her feelings are echoed by women like her around the world. Isn't this the heartbeat of emotional pain? It washes over you like a wave, and many of us do drown. We have to try to swim in spite of it all.

In the years since my first independent exposure to that facet of the world, I have never again experienced depression to any measureable degree. Am I always upbeat? Certainly not, but my outlook is generally positive and I am careful to avoid self-pity ("I will feel this way for just a few moments, but no longer.").

I do appreciate the agony one can feel in the throes of depression, the feeling of emotional death that seems to swallow you. I understand. But the lifeblood of depression is the Western sense of hyper-individuality--"What you feel is yours alone. Think about it, analyse it, mull it over. Don't lose sight of your pain!" That is to say, "Tempt it to drown you." Individuality is wonderful, of course! But it becomes pernicious, harmful, if you do not know where to draw the line. You become lost within yourself, and the journey out is incredibly difficult--many do not survive. My advice is to always keep an element of "community spirit" within your mind. Try to absorb the idea of the world in its enormity. Contemplate the overwhelming number of creatures residing here, each having so many stories of his or her own--innumerable triumphs and tragedies. This is a wonderful and terrible world that begs for exploration, and we cannot be free without leaving the small spaces we make for ourselves.

reply to post by ldyserenity


Dude? Sylvia Brown? Joking right?

I know you arent listening to that wack... are you?

She has been loooooooong debunked. She is a JOKE. Please - get better material. She is the epitomy of BS!!! Shes right up there with Dionne Warwick!

Get better material and please be more on target when choosing material - as much of it is utter trash - as is Sylvia Brown.

And Hey, brush yourself off and out-do your haters (family included). Thats the way determined, ambitious people with motivation overcomes this.

I know - I am one such as yourself. They hated me before my success - hate me now... only difference... They are now JEALOUS too. That alone adds far more to the equation. Thats when it really gets ugly - once you rise ABOVE them.

Man that pisses them off! Now, you are giving them what they expect and want - NOTHING. Change that.