conscious Oobe....It's Real!!

Originally posted by Volatile
There are some things I don't understand... Why do everyone lie down while meditateing now-a-days? I find I have much more awareness if I sit up...

.) maybe I should try the sitting position too once. But I somehow doubt this is comfortable for me.

About staring at the eylead. I read a paper of someone doing this and concentrating on the 'light-noise' behind his eyeleads. But I belive the most practices focus on anything else. (robe, L whatever) or concentrate at absolut nothing at all.

I dont know many say keeping the awarness is importand and not let it slip. But I dont have problem to keep the awarness. I have mor ethe problem if I do my Body will not go into sleep mode.

And If I let it slip and set a trigger it ends in awakening everytime FULL whenever the slip is happening keeping me from my required sleep. I dont like that.

Concentrating on staying awake in spirit only -> unmoveable and dumb or not no way my body starts to sleep
Setting trigger when body falls asleep -> awakening full at once.
Well and as I told in a post before now I also have to deal with 'body' overheating.
And worse as more I try as more often I wake up in the middle of the night.
I fear my attemps do more damage then anything good to me. :/

Originally posted by g210

Originally posted by Volatile
There are some things I don't understand... Why do everyone lie down while meditateing now-a-days? I find I have much more awareness if I sit up...

.) maybe I should try the sitting position too once. But I somehow doubt this is comfortable for me.

About staring at the eylead. I read a paper of someone doing this and concentrating on the 'light-noise' behind his eyeleads. But I belive the most practices focus on anything else. (robe, L whatever) or concentrate at absolut nothing at all.

I dont know many say keeping the awarness is importand and not let it slip. But I dont have problem to keep the awarness. I have mor ethe problem if I do my Body will not go into sleep mode.

And If I let it slip and set a trigger it ends in awakening everytime FULL whenever the slip is happening keeping me from my required sleep. I dont like that.

Concentrating on staying awake in spirit only -> unmoveable and dumb or not no way my body starts to sleep
Setting trigger when body falls asleep -> awakening full at once.
Well and as I told in a post before now I also have to deal with 'body' overheating.
And worse as more I try as more often I wake up in the middle of the night.
I fear my attemps do more damage then anything good to me. :/

How do you remain aware under your meditation, and what do you focus on (if anything at all)?

And a respond to the one about it not being comfortable to sit instead of lying down: Yes, its pretty hard... I practice Yoga and I still have trouble with most of it.

There are a few postures you can sit in; Indian Style, Cross-leg, Burmese, Half-Lotus and Full-Lotus (or just 'Lotus'), many start out in cross-leg posture because that basicly what we all use on average when we sit on the floor for some special occation. Although it feels pretty comfortable, it adds tension to the spine and the head might tend to hang, increasing strain in the neck... This is due to the knees not being able to touch the floor in this posture.

Indian Style is basicly sitting in a chair with an erect spine. It's fine enough for those who can't/won't sit on the floor.

Burmese I haven't exactly tested. I MIGHT have tested it some times without knowing and I have a theory of when I did it, but if I was doing it right at that time heres how it felt: Not bad, but when your legs aren't crossed (in Burmese they are folded) it can become quite irritating to keep balance... There was also a problem of holding my feet flat on the ground in this posture which is nessasary for maintaining this posture.

Then there is the Half-Lotus, which I actually achieved today around noon. I feel pretty good atm for achieving it since it brings me one step closer to the balance of everything within me . Half-Lotus is pretty hard, and isn't exactly the posture for the beginner... However its not hard to achieve the state, but it is hard to get used to it, and there are alot of strain in that process. Sometimes Half-Lotus can become unbearable to some people. However, Half-Lotus keeps your spine erect, it keeps you grounded, and balanced, and is possibly imo what you should use if you have some flexibility.

And at last; Lotus. Lotus is the most advanced state of posture. Note that it is impossible to achieve a Lotus if you can't achieve a Half-Lotus yet. After achieving the Full-Lotus, you will have complete balance, you will not tip over or back, and you sit in a stable constant. Full-Lotus is the best posture you can achieve for meditation.

There are some things I don't understand... Why do everyone lie down while meditateing now-a-days? I find I have much more awareness if I sit up...

Unfortunately sitting cross legged isn't as comfortable for tall people (or me anyway) with long legs. I might give that Indian technique you mentioned a try, but I suspect one nod of the head will be enough to snap me out of it.

Originally posted by Nova

There are some things I don't understand... Why do everyone lie down while meditateing now-a-days? I find I have much more awareness if I sit up...

Unfortunately sitting cross legged isn't as comfortable for tall people (or me anyway) with long legs. I might give that Indian technique you mentioned a try, but I suspect one nod of the head will be enough to snap me out of it.

If you EVER tend to fall asleep during a meditation session I suggest you use this kind of "cosmic mudra" that I use: (its quite common actually)

Fold your hands like this:
Cosmic Mudra

HOWEVER, instead of actually making both thumbs touch each other, keep them 1 centimeter apart. Whenever you seem to "doze off" your thumbs will automaticly touch and will alert you automaticly, thereby resuming where you left off in fine focus.

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Originally posted by Volatile

How do you remain aware under your meditation, and what do you focus on (if anything at all)?

I don't know. I just stay aware focus on nothing thinking on nothing. Clear my mind of any thoughts.
I think it's the position that I trained for obe, I rest on my back which indicates my readiness to stay aware. If I want to sleep I turn to the side which is my common sleeping position.

But with the problems I have now it's probabily the wrong way I go.
I started the usual way yesterday resting on my back relaxing focusing on nothing. Then what I usually dont do I did something else: I formed thoughts and emotions for a person that needs my help. Beeing mental by her my thoughts brought me to the brink of the sleep and to my surprise the vibration came sudden and strong. But my awarnes shifted imediatly to that effect and within seconds I was fully awake again and the vibration gone. :/

From this I guess it's at least for me the wrong way to stay full aware all the time also when it is said over and over again. For me it seems I more have to let go a big part of awarnes that my 'body' is free enough to triggers the seperation. If I stay aware full nothing ever happens except that for some strange reason I overhead my body with the time.




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Have you tried focusing on the sensations of when you breathe?.. I don't think its good to focus on 'nothing'. Thoughts might come, but you shoulden't try to force them away when they come, just pay attention to them and they will go away.

Btw. Don't worry, you'll find out at some point what to do, just be patient

Once ive projected I always hear myself breathing really heavily and the further away from my body I go, the deeper my breathing gets which can be a little daunting.

The looking through the eylids is quite unusual, im always aware that im looking through my eyelids and I usualy sort of slowly open them up till im a few metres from my body and then I kind of squint them and try focusing on my vision. Thats if im not being sweeped off my feet.

The other day i was taking a nap and i remember dreaming and then in my dream I had like one itty bitty amount of conciousness and it reminded me that i was dreaming, so i switched out of my dream state and the vibrations started happening and i heard that wind/fluttering sound.

However, I dont know whether or not I ACTUALLY stepped out of my body. I remember seeing but everything was like gray and i remember getting out of my bed with ease and i couldnt tell if i was having an OBE or if I was like sleepwalking or something because i tried going through my window and i touched it with my hands and it felt real as hell and i could actually see my hands this time. I still didnt know if i was actually having one or not so i chose not to dive out the window

After that I remember going back into my bed but as i was I saw myself in the hallway mirror. It looked like how i would have been if i had just woken up too (my hair was all frizzy), but still everything was gray. I then got back into bed in the SAME position that i slept in and then i saw everything with perfect color.

It was a different feel than my other OBE experiences. In the other ones it felt as if i didnt have any body at all and that i was just floating around using my mind to move. But this one i had a body that could feel everything.

One other thing. I had ACL reconstruction surgery not too long ago and when i was looking in my mirror i saw myself in a bent kind of position that would've most definitely cause me some pain in my knee.

Can anyone tell me if this was an OBE or if they had an experience like this??

I have had OBE's all my life. The advice which has been given is very good. Try positive visualization as well. Suggest to yourself that you WILL astral-project. Accept that you will. Do not worry or beg to do it.....accept it as fact. Just be forewarned that the people you visit might not give you the reception you anticipate!!!

there's alot of genuine information about OBE
in this site. I'm happy to find it. It's great to hear
people talking about the vibrations and the "thunder
inside the ears" that takes place before an OBE.

I never looked for an OBE experience but my first time
hapenned randomly more than a decade ago. I remember
for a month straight, the "vibrations" would wake me up
every morning no matter how much sleep I got. I
remember depriving myself of sleep in hopes to control
the uneasy feelings caused by the vibrations which
did not help.

One morning I was so fed up of the vibrations and so sleep
deprived that I tried to forced myself to sleep through it,
rather than wake up and start my day annoyed and restless.

By the 20th vibrational surge, the constant ripping and surging
within body finally ended and then followed my first full blown
OBE experience. I remember seeing a green aura around the
objects of my house. I was floating around clueless and when
I realized that my body was supposed to be sleeping in the
attic and not floating around the first floor.. I zipped back to
my attic room in a millisecond and jumped out of bed in shock.

I never was fond of OBE because I never did get used to the
vibrations which always felt extremely uncomfortable to me. (The
intense rumbling sound and the numbing ripping of the body..)
the closest sound to that I can relate to the vibration
is the sound you hear when you yawn but 100 times more intense.

This thunderous vibration would prove to be more than OBE alone
because later on, I discovered other paranormal events tied to
the same vibration.

A personal gift of Knowledge I wish to share to the members of this
forum who are interested with an alternate way to achieve a
full blown OBE:

The easiest way I believe to achieve OBE is with a
sacred lifeform. Psilocybe cubensis, or known as the
"magic mushroom". This sacrament produces the most
intense paranormal vibrations consistently with
minimal effort. BUT BE WARNED!!
this method is not for the novice or the recreational
seeker. if you do partake this particular path to achieve
OBE, then it is your responsibility to know the laws and
to research all the available information about the sacrament
and it's use. If you fail to take the precations mentioned
above, than that's your fault and most likely you
deserved the punity because of your own
ignorance. Punishment Includes jail or mental and
spiritual instability and at worse cases..reckless
death.. (knock on wood)

It's strange that how so much of the paranormal is real..
yet it is so well hidden and denied...Hopefully someday
someone or some group will bring the truth out to light
for the masses to witness but hopefully not in this life..
I don't want to be around when the masses first start
practicing what the things i know. I think there would
be chaos and abuse of such power unless its policed.
But policing the paranomal wont be available until such
a phenomena is understood and until then, the realm
of the paranormal would be lawless. you think a nuclear
war would be bad? a paranormal war would be
far more worse...


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Beside the magic mushroom the Awakened One told us about...

I can get vibrations from a cigarette lol... Meaning my entire body shakes for 3 minutes.

Just saw a file off bit torrent called:

"Monroe Institute - Intro to Hemi-Sync Sound"

Anyone know what it is or what it does? It's just an mp3 file.

i am only 15 years of age but i am sure i had experienced these OOBES a few times when i was around six.
it was like i wasnt fully asleep yet and i felt like i was being pulled into something. after the pulling sensation i could move around freely.
i have not experienced one since then.

I can't remember jack before the age of 5... My mom tells me I had a blackout from the medicin the doctors gave me, and they concluded that I was allergic to any type of vaccine... Never had the use for them either though...

Originally posted by Nova
Just saw a file off bit torrent called:

"Monroe Institute - Intro to Hemi-Sync Sound"

Anyone know what it is or what it does? It's just an mp3 file.

OOOOOOOO AHHHHHHHH KEWL! I know what that is!

The Monroe Institute sells this 'soundwave' stuff about 500 USD! not cheap heh......anyway, it is a series of sounds you go through in a specific order, wich is said to induce the OOBE state.....folks say this REALLY works! I would love to try it myself but dialup sux for trying to load hemisync stuff its massive.......PLUS you must do the 'sounds' in a very specific order for them to work.......you use one sequence of sounds one night for half hour, then a second sound the next ect......if you get the order wrong it wont work, and some of the stuff I found online is not in order and is missing CHUNKS of the program....bummer.........
This sequence of sounds is what they utilize at The Monroe Institute, where people can go and stay for a few days while they induce you to have OOBE's in a clinical type setting.

500 usd? ts, you should think that people would be willing to give such an 'ability' to thers for free or to a minimum keep alive cost.

here is an alternative for free:
www.bwgen.com...

don't know if it works. I do not use it.

Originally posted by g210

500 usd? ts, you should think that people would be willing to give such an 'ability' to thers for free or to a minimum keep alive cost.

here is an alternative for free:
www.bwgen.com...

don't know if it works. I do not use it.

Thats my boy, exactly what I was going to suggest

Cool!

Ok I propose someone else try it first just to check you don't start dressing as a woman the next day or trying to kill some public figurehead

lol, you are not a little bit a scarried person, are you?
Should be harmlos stuff. I let it run for 30 minute once and I am still myslef and didnt turn into an evil persone controlled by the gouvernement or whatever. But I can not use it as it is meant: with a stereo headset because I am deaf on one ear. That's why I don't use it. I can't!
(Guess mother nature did not want me to walk conciousness in the etheric plane any soon )

oh byway; dramt yesterady someone tried to help me and pulled me on my leg to seperate. But it was a dream. (I did also not invite anyone to do such. )

That's what happend to me earlier already. As more as I read and focus on the oBE subject as more I start to include such stuff into my dreams also. I dont like this because it creates confusements and fake 'seperations' in dreams.