Evacuation Warning! - Yellowstone National Park (Non Official)

reply to post by lmbsc


Bravo!!!!!

Excellent!!!

Wow, of all the threads that I've been keeping up to date with, this one definitely caught my eye. I am by no means an expert regarding geology, nor have I studied it, but does anyone have a link to any historical records about Yellowstone? Wouldn't there be some sort of flow chart displaying the frequencies of earthquakes during the past, say, 30 to 40 years?
I think that it would help a lot of us geological newbies if there were a graph that we could look at to see the frequencies of earthquake recurrences.
And I'm not talking about the numerous small quakes, but the larger more noticeable ones.

And to all of the people talking *#@!* about this guy Sanders..
So what if he appears to be over acting!
Would you rather have an uneducated moron who can't even speak correct English make this sort of announcement?????
Seriously.

Definitely Starred and Flagged.

How do all. I have been watching this thread with interest over here in North Wales, UK.

I do feel for all you guys in the US, especially those within the Yellowstone Area, I for one hope that this don't go off in the manner of a 'super volcano' as none of us will be bothered about the'economic crisis'......

What's worrying is that the data being thrown up suggests that there has been a magma flow towards the west of the lake, that's where the quakes are being recorded in the swarm, (if I have this correct). I can't understand then why there ain't any amber warnings being given. Surely, if the evidence clearly suggests that there is a possibility of a eruption, shouldn't people be moved out of the eruption zone at the very least?

If this does go off and it's found that lot's of you knew before hand and yet your Government did nothing to warn people, then I guess there will be some serious questions to answer!

I'm watching hoping that this ain't going to be anything spectacular and that you all safe.

Dai (1st time post)!

reply to post by Realtruth


By the looks of it, this Sanders guy might be getting people to leave Yellowstone National Park so he can film something.
The link to his Myspace page has videos on it, and it looks like he made the videos himself. It looks like he makes videos about energy and stuff.

I'm not too convinced that there's going to be earthquakes in Yellowstone National Park.

Hello,
While Yellowstone appears to be more active along with many other locations of the Earth there is no sure fire way to know the exact time and date of an eruption. We have to presume that you realized the risk when you moved into a volcano and we realize that Bruce Willis is probably the best hope for mankind. All that said:

Chris Sanders My Space here:
www.myspace.com...

Lists his age @ 30

Christopher Sanders World Nest site here:
www.worldsnest.com...

Lists his years of experience like this...
"At some point or another, during his 26 years of experience, Chris has “worn the hat” of every one of the above professions in managerial capacities."

So in using Chris Sanders method of resume making I at 42 can state that I have 42 years of experience in fossil fuel. Honestly, I do since my diapers were held up by those safety pins that had the little plastic duck on them.

In one of Chris Sanders videos found here:
www.youtube.com...

he gives us a tour of Area 51 while in an Air Force flight suit. He takes us into a garage and tells us about how they hung the UFO in there and then took it apart. Numerous holes are in the walls that look like bullet holes. Later we are taken into a bunker and are shown old pictures of what we are told are orbs (dirt and dust on a lens).

I doubt he is any sort of expert and prior to his claim many of us were looking at the Yellowstone earth quake swarm and speculating as to what is happening. Naturally his assertion that an eruption might be immanent could be correct but any of us could have said that based on the swarm and dome.

I wanted to point out some odd observations of this Chris guy and see if anyone else finds some of this to be suspect?

Here at this Chris Sanders site:
www.sustainableangels.com...

he credits himself as:
Christopher C. Sanders
C.E.O.
New World Order Inc.

There was another but I misplaced the link that shows many "Illuminati" symbols pertaining to his New World Order Inc. on one of his many sites.

How does a 30 YO obtain 26 years of experience at much of anything other than being a BS artist??

In addition these two photos show us that Governor Richardson is accessible to Chris and his associates. Here we are asked to take a ride on the "Hydrogen Highway" but I suspect that it's nothing but hot gas.




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Maybe this will blow in 2012, the mayans perhaps predicted this. Could be the mayans where off by a couple years too. The weather will change, the polar caps will become polar again, the north will become the north again, and the meek shall inherit he earth.
I wonder what the Native American's are saying about this time in history, and what will become of it.
Also, someone said look to the sky's, any increased ufo activity in this area?

Looking for info I found the following; when I tried to view this page it had been removed. Question is: why did they pull this story?

Magma pushing up ground in Yellowstone - CNN.com
Yellowstone National Park, once the site of a giant volcano, ... beginning at least 400 miles beneath Earth's surface and rising to 30 miles underground, ...
www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/11/08/yellowstone.rising.ap/index.html - 62k - Cached - Similar pages

Another update:

The upward movement of the Yellowstone caldera floor – almost 3 inches (7 centimeters) per year for the past three years – is more than three times greater than ever observed since such measurements began in 1923, says the study in the Nov. 9 issue of Science by Smith, geophysics postdoctoral associate Wu-Lung Chang and colleagues.
“Our best evidence is that the crustal magma chamber is filling with molten rock,” Smith says. “But we have no idea how long this process goes on before there either is an eruption or the inflow of molten rock stops and the caldera deflates again,” he adds.

The current uplift is faster than ever observed at Yellowstone, but may not be the fastest ever, since humans weren’t around for its three supervolcano eruptions

www.physorg.com...


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Hydrothermal activity?

reply to post by die_another_day


Hydrothermal means freely translated something like hot water (steam, geysers etc)

At the risk of sounding a bit cryptic...

Instead of believing it will happen, channel your thoughts to the gods and ask for mercy, then stop being stupid.

hey, it's worth a try isn't it?

look at the big picture and know our ignorance is costing us. this is truly the dawning of a new age. we can't deny the power of spirit. think the best thoughts.

what have we got to lose? we're still conscious energy and that is what it's about.

in a universe of infinite possibilities, consider the joke that reality has come to represent and have a good laugh. i'm sure we'll figure it out soon. we still retain that survival instinct. we can't possibly be as stupid as we look, can we?

Only one earthquake today in Yellowstone? Now that sounds wrong.
According to this site:

earthquake.usgs.gov...

Did I hear well or did Sanders said in his video something like "Dinosaurs got extinct 500 million years ago"??????

I used to live in montana and I remember posting about alot of earthquake activity back when I was still living there. But 300 earthquakes is alot in that short period time frame. I know only a few people still living in montana if I had the means to contact someone I knew there I would and find out more.

The culdara though was already really unstable and most everything around the center of the culdera was dieing several years ago because of too much acid and sulfur dioxide in the water up there. Im not sure about the current status of it though if I find out anything I will be sure to post it.

Falcon

just a thought but are there any reports of animals leaving the area? Animals can sense these things so I would give the report more credence if that was the case?

I had a quick search and can't find anything myself

Originally posted by arnold_vosloo
just a thought but are there any reports of animals leaving the area? Animals can sense these things so I would give the report more credence if that was the case?

I had a quick search and can't find anything myself

found this in other thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Reports of unusual animal behavior:

scienceblogs.com...

People out here in Yellowstone-land are reporting weird pet and human behavior - moodiness, restlessness, etc. Also some strange wildlife encounters, such as a fox that will not quit barking, flying squirrels very active in daylight and a bull elk running down the highway (should have migrated down the mountain weeks ago, but it came back for some reason), grizzly bears that have not hibernated yet. Waiting to hear from friends in the park about wolves, bison, elk, wintering birds, etc. Adds another dimension to small talk - usually it's just about how much snow we have, how many plows are broken down, etc. Posted by: Elizabeth | January 2, 2009 9:08 AM

whats going on at yellowstone
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Related links/data for active yellowstone thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

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Lets say I want it to blow up, what sort of thoughts and prayers should I be giving off to promote this event? Kidding but lets not get into that sort of thing..

The next few days should be pretty telling I think where this is going, should be interesting. Today it doesn't look like that many earthquakes have happened.

[edit on 3-1-2009 by ghaleon12]

I like how a mod moved Non Official to the end of the title when it was at the front.

Good way to promote hysteria and such.

FAIL.

I've not read this thread, concentrating more on the less sensational headline thread elsewhere on ATS.

I just stopped by to let folks know that I've created a Wiki to keep track of links and information that "we mortals" are able to gather.

You can find it over here: wiki.info2intel.org...

It is a "user editable" wiki, so feel free to add your links and information.

-K

Wow... I live in Casper, Wyoming... I'm pretty sure it's further than 200 miles from the caldera... It would pretty much turn my world upside down if it erupted nonetheless...

I was always taught in school about Yellowstone erupting being that I live in Wyoming... Always taught that if it blew, it would pretty much wipe out our state and all the surrounding states, lest we mention the ash that would be deposited around the globe....

Wow... Just wow...

I've always wanted to go out with a bang...

reply to post by jam321


Yea cause bush handles these kinds of things well!

911 when he sits in that class room sucking his thumb

new orleans where international aid even aid from canada gets there quicker than they can organize
(Last time I checked america's not a third world country)

reply to post by Realtruth


The real stoy from Yellowstone today! Enjoy!!!!!!!
Yellowstone "Super Volcano" has 3.9 Quake
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Yellowstone National Park was shaken by a host of small earthquakes for a third straight day Monday, and scientists are watching closely to see whether the more than 250 tremors were a sign of something bigger to come.
Clusters of small earthquakes happen frequently in Yellowstone, but it's very unusual for so many earthquakes to happen over several days, said Robert Smith, a professor of geophysics at the University of Utah.
"They're certainly not normal," Smith said. "We haven't had earthquakes in this energy or extent in many years."

Smith directs the Yellowstone Seismic Network, which operates seismic stations around the park. He said the quakes have ranged in strength from barely detectable to one of magnitude 3.9 that happened Saturday. A magnitude 4 quake is capable of producing moderate damage.
"This is an active volcanic and tectonic area, and these are the kinds of things we have to pay attention to," Smith said. "We might be seeing something precursory.
"Could it develop into a bigger fault or something related to hydrothermal activity? We don't know. That's what we're there to do, to monitor it for public safety."
The strongest of dozens of tremors Monday was a magnitude 3.3 quake shortly after noon. All the quakes were centered beneath the northwest end of Yellowstone Lake.
A park ranger based at the north end of the lake reported feeling nine quakes over a 24-hour period over the weekend, according to park spokeswoman Stacy Vallie. No damage was reported.
"There doesn't seem to be anything to be alarmed about," Vallie said.
Smith said it's difficult to say what might be causing the tremors. He pointed out that Yellowstone is the caldera of a volcano that last erupted 70,000 years ago.
He said Yellowstone remains very geologically active — and its famous geysers and hot springs are a reminder that a pool of magma still exists five to 10 miles underground.
"That's just the surface manifestation of the enormous amount of heat that's being released through the system," he said.
Yellowstone has had significant earthquakes as well as minor ones in recent decades. In 1959, a magnitude 7.5 quake near Hebgen Lake just west of the park triggered a landslide that killed 28 people.
Yellowstone is an active volcanic and tectonic area, and small earthquakes happen frequently. But scientists say the spate of small quakes that shook up the area on Monday were unusual.
Recent History - ScienceDaily -- The Yellowstone "super volcano" rose at a record rate since mid-2004, likely because a Los Angeles-sized, pancake-shaped blob of molten rock was injected 6 miles beneath the slumbering giant, University of Utah scientists report in the journal Science.
There is no evidence of an imminent volcanic eruption or hydrothermal explosion. That's the bottom line," says seismologist Robert B. Smith, lead author of the study and professor of geophysics at the University of Utah. "A lot of calderas [giant volcanic craters] worldwide go up and down over decades without erupting."



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The upward movement of the Yellowstone caldera floor -- almost 3 inches (7 centimeters) per year for the past three years -- is more than three times greater than ever observed since such measurements began in 1923, says the study in the Nov. 9 issue of Science by Smith, geophysics postdoctoral associate Wu-Lung Chang and colleagues.
"Our best evidence is that the crustal magma chamber is filling with molten rock," Smith says. "But we have no idea how long this process goes on before there either is an eruption or the inflow of molten rock stops and the caldera deflates again," he adds.
The magma chamber beneath Yellowstone National Park is a not a chamber of molten rock, but a sponge-like body with molten rock between areas of hot, solid rock.
Chang, the study's first author, says: "To say if there will be a magma [molten rock] eruption or hydrothermal [hot water] eruption, we need more independent data."
Calderas such as Yellowstone, California's Long Valley (site of the Mammoth Lakes ski area) and Italy's Campi Flegrei (near Naples) huff upward and puff downward repeatedly for decades to tens of thousands of years without catastrophic eruptions.
Smith and Chang conducted the study with University of Utah geophysics doctoral students Jamie M. Farrell and Christine Puskas, and with geophysicist Charles Wicks, of the U.S. Geological Survey in Menlo Park, Calif.
Measuring a Volcano Getting Pumped Up
The orange shapes in this image represent the magma chamber -- a chamber of molten and partly molten rock -- beneath the giant volcanic crater known as the Yellowstone caldera, which is represented by the rusty-colored outline at the top. The red rectangular slab-like feature is a computer-generated representation of molten rock injected into the magma chamber since mid-2004, causing the caldera to rise at an unprecedented rate of almost 3 inches a year, according to a new University of Utah study. In reality, the injected magma probably is shaped more like a pancake than a slab. The two rusty circles within the caldera outline represent the resurgent volcanic domes above the magma chamber.
In the new study, the scientists measured uplift of the Yellowstone caldera from July 2004 through the end of 2006 with two techniques:
Twelve Global Positioning System (GPS) ground stations that receive timed signals from satellites, making it possible to measure ground uplift precisely.
The European Space Agency's Envisat satellite, which bounces radar waves off the Yellowstone caldera's floor, another way to measure elevation change.
The measurements showed that from mid-2004 through 2006, the Yellowstone caldera floor rose as fast as 2.8 inches (7 centimeters) per year -- and by a total of 7 inches (18 centimeters) during the 30-month period, Chang says.
"The uplift is still going on today but at a little slower rate," says Smith, adding there is no way to know when it will stop.
Smith says the fastest rate of uplift previously observed at Yellowstone was about 0.8 inch (2 centimeters) per year between 1976 and 1985.
He says that Yellowstone's recent upward motion may seem small, but is twice as fast as the average rate of horizontal movement along California's San Andreas fault.
The current uplift is faster than ever observed at Yellowstone, but may not be the fastest ever, since humans weren't around for its three supervolcano eruptions.
Chang, Smith and colleagues conducted computer simulations to determine what changes in shape of the underground magma chamber best explained the recent uplift.
The simulations or "modeling" suggested the molten rock injected since mid-2004 is a nearly horizontal slab -- known to geologists as a sill -- that rests about 6 miles (10 kilometers) beneath Yellowstone National Park. The slab sits within and near the top of the pre-existing magma chamber, which resembles two anvil-shaped blobs expanding upward from a common base.



Smith describes the slab's computer-simulated shape as "kind of like a mattress" about 38 miles long and 12 miles wide, but only tens or hundreds of yards thick.
In reality, he believes the slab resembles a large, spongy pancake formed as molten rock injected from below spread out near the top of the magma chamber.
The pancake of molten rock has an area of about 463 square miles, compared with 469 square miles of land for the City of Los Angeles.
Smith and colleagues believe steam and hot water contribute to uplift of the Yellowstone caldera, particularly during some previous episodes, but evidence indicates molten rock is responsible for most of the current uplift.
Chang says that when rising molten rock reaches the top of the magma chamber, it starts to crystallize and solidify, releasing hot water and gases, pressuring the magma chamber. But gases and steam compress more easily than molten rock, so much greater volumes would be required to explain the volcano's inflation, the researchers say.
Also, large volumes of steam and hot water usually are no deeper than 2 miles, so they are unlikely to be inflating the magma chamber 6 miles underground, Smith adds.
Ups and Downs at Yellowstone
Conventional surveying of Yellowstone began in 1923. Measurements showed the caldera floor rose 40 inches during 1923-1984, and then fell 8 inches during 1985-1995.
GPS data showed the Yellowstone caldera floor sank 4.4 inches during 1987-1995. From 1995 to 2000, the caldera rose again, but the uplift was greatest -- 3 inches -- at Norris Geyser Basin, just outside the caldera's northwest rim.
During 2000-2003, the northwest area rose another 1.4 inches, but the caldera floor itself sank about 1.1 inches. The trend continued during the first half of 2004. Then, in July 2004, the caldera floor began its rapid rate of uplift, followed three months later by sinking of the Norris area that continued until mid-2006.
Smith believes that uplift of the middle of the caldera decreased pressure within rocks along the edges of the giant crater, "so it allowed fluids to flow into the area of increased porosity." That, in turn, triggered small earthquakes along the edge of the "pancake" of magma. The amount of hot water flowing out of the deflated Norris area is much smaller than the volume of magma injected beneath the caldera, Smith says.
The research was funded by the National Science Foundation, the U.S. Geological Survey and the Brinson Foundation.