Alien Domes On The Moon? Let’s Set The Controversy to Rest!

Originally posted by mikesinghThat does seem to be just a crater. I wonder what zorg has to say to this?

Zorg is on vacation... but if he was here he would say what he has said n several threads... I will paraphrase


Sometimes the lights are 'on' in Aristarchus and we see a 'structure' and a blue glow..

Sometimes the lights are 'off and we see a normal crater with no blue glow...

John thinks its a nuclear reactor of the Fusion kind... some think it may be a stargate like portal

I hear Zorg has a different idea but I know for a fact that neither Zorg nor John ever said there was a glass dome at Aristarchus



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Sometimes the lights are on?

Which lights are you talking about?


Tic, tac, tic, tac...
Oh, I see Zorg logged out instead of answering my question.
That makes sense.




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Originally posted by Komodo
Hi Mike,
Do you believe there really is other species out there that are and have been observing us from afar? My answer chills me to the bone only because I've had experiences that aren't explainable at this time.

Hi Komodo! Well that's the million dollar question! But a universe which is incomprehensibly big and beyond imagination, the probability of ET civilizations out there is horrendously huge. Let's try and get some idea of this probability.

So here goes:

The Universe

The Universe is so huge in fact that we’ll have to play around with scales so one can get a better idea.

Let's imagine that the entire universe that we have seen in all the worlds telescopes, all the galaxies, all trillion of them, extending out 13 billion light years in every direction is shrunk down to the size of a golf ball.

If we do a volume calculation, the actual universe contains 10 to the power 60 of those golf balls! Wow, I guess we didn't shrink things down far enough, but this will have to do. So how big a volume would 10 to the power 60 golf balls fill up? Try a sphere 850 light years across! So imagine a mass of golf balls that big, and each one of those golf balls contains all the stars and galaxies that we can see through our telescopes!!

Intelligent Life in the Universe

Now in all this lets see if there’s any intelligent life in this huge universe…

For arguments sake, lets imagine that primitive life happens once in the lifetime of a trillion galaxies, and out of those only one in a trillion ever evolves out of its womb planet into a space-faring civilization. In this example then we are still left with an astounding 10 to the par 75 advanced societies - more alien cultures than the number of atoms composing planet Earth!

Again, for some perspective on such a gargantuan number, there are more advanced civilizations partying it up around the galaxies than there are atoms in every single grain of sand on all the beaches and deserts in the world, and then some.

So now we have a universe that could be teeming with millions of technologically advanced civilizations. As the noted theoretical physicist, Dr Michio Kaku has mentioned, there could be Type III and higher civilizations millions of years more technologically advanced than we are who may be capable of traveling even between various dimensions as a matter of course!

We by the way, are far from being even a Type I civilization! Probably may take a few thousand years more to achieve this unless we blow ourselves up before that happens!

Remember, our Solar System was formed just about four billion years ago. Considering that the Universe is approx 15 billion years old, it stands to reason that there could be star systems that came about much earlier, perhaps upto 10 billion years ago and developed intelligent life forms like what happened here. So they have a head start of more than five to seven billion years over us. And that means they may have developed into Type III or higher civilizations over that period of time.

However, there is no evidence that this could have happened, but logic dictates so. And therefore, I for one am a firm believer in the existence of advanced ET civilizations. As to why they have not been detected, Fermi notwithstanding, that is an issue we need to ponder. But remember that we are trying to hunt for these civilizations by working within the paradigms of science as we know it.

Cheers!

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Originally posted by sebarud
Sometimes the lights are on?
Which lights are you talking about?

look up my Aristarchus thread in search... its not hard to find and all your questions will be answered

Tic, tac, tic, tac...
Oh, I see Zorg logged out instead of answering my question.
That makes sense.

Oh a wiseass eh? Well sorry if I have obligations outside ATS... besides I highly doubt you would listen anyway

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As a photographer of many years, I can certify to you, that the "domes" you see on that photograph are caused by dust on the lens. Very easy to distinguish, especially after I examined it in photoshop myself.

"this picture of a possible Moon Base has always interested me because if it was painted the same color as the surface, you would never see it."
-Easynow



This sort of moon base could possibly be identified by the unique shadow that is cast by it's entrance:

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That Moon image you posted was pretty interesting! What are its coordinates?

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Bigfatfurrytexan originally posted it on page 11.

I just figured the shadow cast was similar to the fictional dome in the above picture that Easynow posted.

I'm not sure of the coordinates, but it BFFT says that it is Kiel:

"You know, it would seem that there are many, many domes on the moon that are well known and discussed by "official" sources.

Take Kiel: [picture of Kiel] "

*Both pics were on page 11, but no one seemed to notice that the sci-fi dome's shadow is the same as that cast by Kiel. I'm just forming the connection - it stood out at me after reading what Easynow said; that if the dome was camouflaged we'd have no way to see it.

But then I saw BFFT's picture and I recognized the shadows as similiar. Perhaps we've got one.


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Kies Dome seems to have the Latitude/Long. -27/-24.

luna.uai.it...


Lunar Orbiter image IV-125-h1:

www.lpi.usra.edu...



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Thanks for that link, ziggy! Interesting stuff there. But after studying the last image in that link, I thought the author had concluded that the image was a dome like structure.

In the 2 processed images below, extracted from the same frame, there is evidence of a dome like structure of high albedo. The image was taken by P. Lazzarotti at 0:21:40 TMEC ofl 4-dec-01 with a maksutov 178mm f/15 .

On closer examination after discerning the direction of the sun and the shadows cast, it became clear that it is a crater and not a dome. This is the LO image of Torricelli I'm talking about:



And this is from Clementine:



Now check out the shadows of the two small craters on the top and toward the right. If they are craters then this is one too! So the question is, are these two smaller features domes too? What do you think?

Cheers!

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Hi, Mike, I was a little confused there for a while before I understood that you posted images of Torricelli, not Kies.


I think there is a dome just to the right of the crater in the first image you posted.

And regarding Kies, the dome's location is marked in this image:


luna.uai.it...

By the way, I noticed something in the Lunar Orbiter image of Kies.

Are these triangular markings made on the photo to identify something? I am just a bit curious, because I haven't seen markings quite like these before on NASA images. Usually white arrows are put in to point to different features.

Cropped version of image IV-125-h1:

www.lpi.usra.edu...

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That looked pretty intriguing! But if you ask me, I think it's something to do with the development process of the image. Probably a glitch in the image, because if you look carefully, those triangles don't conform to the resolution of the image as a whole. These are too stark for them to be on the surface. In other words, they should have had a little more blur to match the surface around them.

So as I said, probably some fluid spilled there? But heck, they're of similar shape and size! Christ! It's getting to midnight here and I'm getting incoherent...Yawn! See ya in the morning! G'night!

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Some fluid spilt during the development process makes perfect sense, Mike.

Thanks for clearing that up for me!

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
Lens flare, nothing more.

That's all.

yes, right.
rocks and shadows.
*couch*

Some of you folks are funny....aliens could land on the white house lawn and the same group of folks will still be arguing whether this blip or that bump is an artificial structure.....some skeptics need to be hit in the head with truth before they open their eyes. And rightly so....damn near everything that has been feed into the North American heads for the last 60 years have been lies and deliberate misinterpretations of the truth, so how the hell are we supposed to believe anything these days.

But I'll set the record strait once and for all

1. We are not the first civilization of man to develop a high degree of technological sophistication, in fact in many respects our predecessors were more advanced then we currently are.

2. There are many artificial structures on Luna and Mars, some are ours some are alien in origin. Many of these structures are ancient and are little more the ruins.

3. There was and still is higher forms of life on Mars, although due to a number of both ancient and recent catastrophes that devastated the planet, only fraction still survive.

4. Wheres there a chance for life to exist, life does exist. The universe abounds with it.

5. Despite our believe that this planet is ours, their are many groups of sentient beings that call this planet home. Many have been here much longer then we have, and many claim ownership over it.

6. Humans have the misguided belief that they are the pinnacle of evolution, the reality is we are nothing more then a spec of dust on a grain of sand and great beach of creation.

7. The Earth, our 'mother' is alive, and she is very angry with us. We have once again broken our sacred trust with her. We have forgotten who we are and why we have been put here, and now we only care for greed. Short term profit with out any thought to the long term consequences of our actions. It may already be to late to change our ways, mother is already getting set to throw us off her back. She has done this is several times in the past, and by the way things are going it will happen again.....and soon.

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Maybe not exactly what you wanted, but here you have the 5 different images of that crater, from the 5 different bands.

Band A - 415nm
Band B - 750nm
Band C - 900nm
Band D - 950nm
Band E - 1000nm

The resolution is 100 metres per pixel.

I had to convert them to JPEG because of their size, if anyone wants the lossless PNG versions just ask.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Some of you folks are funny....aliens could land on the white house lawn and the same group of folks will still be arguing whether this blip or that bump is an artificial structure.....some skeptics need to be hit in the head with truth before they open their eyes. And rightly so....damn near everything that has been feed into the North American heads for the last 60 years have been lies and deliberate misinterpretations of the truth, so how the hell are we supposed to believe anything these days.

But I'll set the record strait once and for all

1. We are not the first civilization of man to develop a high degree of technological sophistication, in fact in many respects our predecessors were more advanced then we currently are.

2. There are many artificial structures on Luna and Mars, some are ours some are alien in origin. Many of these structures are ancient and are little more the ruins.

3. There was and still is higher forms of life on Mars, although due to a number of both ancient and recent catastrophes that devastated the planet, only fraction still survive.

4. Wheres there a chance for life to exist, life does exist. The universe abounds with it.

5. Despite our believe that this planet is ours, their are many groups of sentient beings that call this planet home. Many have been here much longer then we have, and many claim ownership over it.

6. Humans have the misguided belief that they are the pinnacle of evolution, the reality is we are nothing more then a spec of dust on a grain of sand and great beach of creation.

7. The Earth, our 'mother' is alive, and she is very angry with us. We have once again broken our sacred trust with her. We have forgotten who we are and why we have been put here, and now we only care for greed. Short term profit with out any thought to the long term consequences of our actions. It may already be to late to change our ways, mother is already getting set to throw us off her back. She has done this is several times in the past, and by the way things are going it will happen again.....and soon.

Some of YOU anonymous folks are funny, but even dangerous since someone could take your ANONYMOUS claims seriously: why don't you come clean and show to us some proofs instead of posting a plot for some b-movie? I wouldn't bother to reply to your post, but i want to make sure that who reads your posts reads also mine: your post is a load of uncorroborated BS, now prove me wrong, or vanish.



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So basically you're dismissing the mayans, Egyptians, ancient cultures and beliefs and artifacts, whistleblowers, insiders, ex-astronauts, historians and their findings and theories, galactic intelligence beyond 'our' Earth, and endless accounts of abductions, sightings and contactees?

When any poster posts anything anywhere, basically they will show their proof - official or unofficial sources included. My question is, who has the absolute right to determine "what is" anywhere? And because 'our laws of science' "don't fit" into "universal laws", what makes you think anything you believe to be true, is actually true?

In short Internos, do you believe in ET existence, because I have never seen you admit that?

wZn

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Some of you folks are funny....

How serious are you?

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
1. We are not the first civilization of man to develop a high degree of technological sophistication, in fact in many respects our predecessors were more advanced then we currently are.

This is a bit an extraordinary claim. There have to be some extraordinary proofs, above confusions, pareidolia. I mean undeniable and confirmed.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
2. There are many artificial structures on Luna and Mars, some are ours some are alien in origin. Many of these structures are ancient and are little more the ruins.

Yes, right... Blured pixels, image artifacts, not enough data to REALLY determine one aspect, a lot of pareidolia involved and promoted, many misleadings etc. You MUST have undeniable confirmed PROOF at this extraordinary claim you made it. Not something in the land of "it can be anything", but in the land of "There is no other posibility to be that". Superficiality is not an option.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
3. There was and still is higher forms of life on Mars, although due to a number of both ancient and recent catastrophes that devastated the planet, only fraction still survive.

Any proof? The martian Face or what? The rest is same like in response no 2 above.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
4. Wheres there a chance for life to exist, life does exist. The universe abounds with it.

I agree, there is a logic asumption. The universe is bigger that our comprehension, and we beeing alone is just a total waste of space. But is only a asumption. Show me where the universe is abundant of life.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
5. Despite our believe that this planet is ours, their are many groups of sentient beings that call this planet home. Many have been here much longer then we have, and many claim ownership over it.

Now, the proofs for that is..what? Words from here or there? Do you believe in just words? Or, if photos/videos, you mean the youtube ones?
Where are the undeniable proofs? Or are they just speculative ones?

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
6. Humans have the misguided belief that they are the pinnacle of evolution, the reality is we are nothing more then a spec of dust on a grain of sand and great beach of creation.

Which reality? Yours? Have you the undeniable proofs?

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
7. The Earth, our 'mother' is alive, and she is very angry with us. We have once again broken our sacred trust with her. We have forgotten who we are and why we have been put here, and now we only care for greed. Short term profit with out any thought to the long term consequences of our actions. It may already be to late to change our ways, mother is already getting set to throw us off her back. She has done this is several times in the past, and by the way things are going it will happen again.....and soon.

Good metaphor.



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