Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by Shirakawa


Yes, I must correct myself, the most recent caterpillers started on January 15th. They appear in November '08, but they were mild. On January 15th, seven hours after the large 7.2 magnitude near the Kuril Islands.

earthquake.usgs.gov...

theinterveners.org...

The caterpillars on that day are not all the same intensity. They are larger on the 15th than they are today. The are registering at LKWY, the epicenter of the swarm. They are not a motor. It is fluid movement. And it is as a direct result of the Kuril earthquake. The following link is an article which quotes Robert B. Smith. A 2004 earthquake in Alaska caused hydro-thermal earthquakes in the park. There's lots of research out there that shows a link between earthquakes and water table changes. See Evelyn Roeloff.

www.cyberwest.com...

The caterpillars may be electomagnetic in nature. Ionization of different temperature fluid streams challening past each other may be producing a current.
And to answer somone's question about my degree. I got it at the school of hard knocks. I am not a geologist. I just did some research and my homework. And where are the massive chain of caldera running across Canada? Just look at a map. And watch my videos. The details are too great to launch here.
I would write and ask what the caterpillars are, but I've been brushed aside by too many experts at this point and the personal frustration is too much a burden. I, and I am sure others here, would love to have an official statement from the YVO about the caterpillers/pipecleaners. So please, someone ask, and post the official explanation here. How about the person who asked the obvious question earlier, why don't you ask them and get back to us? And then we'll have our answer. I'll be waiting.

reply to post by Robin Marks


YVO Scientist-in-Charge

Jacob B. Lowenstern, Ph.D.
U.S. Geological Survey
Volcano Hazards Team, Mail Stop 910
345 Middlefield Road
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Phone: 650-329-5238
Fax: 650-329-5203

[email protected]

volcanoes.usgs.gov...
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Research Professor of Geology & Geophysics

Robert B. Smith
Office: 702 WBB
Phone: (801) 581-7129

[email protected]

www.earth.utah.edu...

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Now what's that at Soda Butte? It looks to show on a couple of other East Seismo's....~M1+? @ 12:06:45

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reply to post by Robin Marks


Robin you are as entitled to your opinon as anyone else on this thread, but you should not take it badly if you get knocked. You said...

They are not a motor. It is fluid movement.

May I ask you to take a listen to the sound files we have now, in particular to recording at 40 Hz and tell me in all honestly that you still think this is fluid?

www.4shared.com...



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reply to post by Shirakawa
Hi Shirakawa,

just to clear up when these pipecleaner/caterpillar traces began, I found evidence of them dating back to July 2008. They might even have existed before then but that's the first period I found anything that is suggestive of them.

For any who'd like to follow their "progress" -- as they have varied over time and have definitely become much more intense lately -- then you can check a series of posts I wrote way back on page 260 of this thread, which includes links to the actual archived LKWY pages that I cite in the posts.

What are they? Beats me. I only know that generally, it seems they're "triggered" either by a larger quake in the park region or a big teleseism. That's been the pattern. They slowly appear and increase in strength, then whenever they fade and seem to disappear they're followed by more regular-looking seismic-type activity for a period -- and then (usually) the webicorder goes down. When they come back again after the webi comes back on line, the traces start smaller then get stronger again and the pattern repeats.

Maybe it could be a "water hammer" effect, as has been suggested by one poster. But it could be something entirely different and even quite prosaic.

If it's a glitch I wish they'd fix it. If it's man-made mechanical interference then ditto, I wish they'd fix it. If it's something else, then perhaps the reason we can't be certain about what it is, is because it's something that hasn't been seen before. After all, how many seismically-active super-volcano systems are there around for science to study, and that are being studied right now in detail by so many people? Is it possible that Yellowstone has some features in its makeup that are simply unique?

I also agree that we can discuss this whole thing calmly. After all, none of us has a 100% definitive answer for this anomaly. (Some might think they have but that doesn't make them right... ) Even Dr Lowenstern said that because he's not a seismologist he was only offering an opinion that the anomalous LKWY trace was not seismic -- and that's fair enough. I still reckon that he's probably forgotten more about seismology than most of us have learned yet, so his opinion has to be taken into account.

I'm at the point where I'm not going to push an opinion on anyone. The thing just worries me because it's so regular and very predictable in some ways, but so very weird in others.

Anyway, what is or isn't happening at LKWY with these traces might not even have any great bearing on what ultimately happens at Yellowstone. Yes, it might be vitally important, but on the other hand, we just don't know.

Regards,

Mike
EDIT: typo. (Sorry guys, just got home from work. It's 9 pm here. )


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Way back several hundred pages someone emailed folks on site and was told the caterpillar signal was likely due to an air monitoring station.

Around the middle of January, stagnant air became a big problem in the upper Midwest, so I don't find that to be odd timing.

I have also emailed Dr. Lowenstern about it, and he was unconcerned. (And thought it had to be mechanical) Really, anything not strong enough to show up on more than one webicorder can't be all that significant. The stations are very close together.

I'm watching Redoubt right now though, that's definitely what a volcano looks like when it's about to go.

reply to post by quakewatcher
Forgive me for not digging the web but as I'm dog tired and I know you have spent a long time following quakes and volcanic activity, I'd rather just ask you: is Redoubt known to produce phreatic events or is likely to be "milder" if it actually erupts as it's expected to?

Errrmmm...and one more question if you could help out: historically, are Redoubt's eruptions known to trigger any major seismic activity on or near the subduction zone in that region? (I assume the volcano was formed in part due to the subduction activity there.)

Many thanks,

Mike
Edit: typo (Yep, again!)


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reply to post by quakewatcher


It would be nice if we could actually see it...terrible weather up there...have to go solely on Seismograph & Aircraft Reports at this rate. Snow and Clouds Forecast for the near future...

Forcast to be near 50 around YS Friday...

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Originally posted by JustMike
reply to post by quakewatcher
Forgive me for not digging the web but as I'm dog tired and I know you have spent a long time following quakes and volcanic activity, I'd rather just ask you: is Redoubt known to produce phreatic events or is likely to be "milder" if it actually erupts as it's expected to?

It has produced some pretty dramatic eruptions. Fortunately I think the surrounding area is not populated. (Anchorage is about 100 miles away)

Here's a quote for you:

The most recent eruption at Redoubt began with a major phreatomagmatic, vent-clearing explosion at 9:47 am on December 14, 1989 (Brantley, 1990; EOS, 1990; Miller and Chouet, 1994) after less than 24 hours of intense precursory seismicity. Three more ash-rich explosions occurred the following day, December 15, with the last blast generating a pyroclastic flow down the Drift Glacier. The resulting debris flow contained entrained ice blocks as large as 10 m across and crested about 8 m above the river channel near the Drift River Oil Terminal, 35 km downstream (Waitt and others, 1994). A Boeing 747 enroute from Amsterdam that flew into the ash cloud several hours after the eruption experienced complete engine failure and narrowly avoided tragedy when the crew successfully restarted the engines and safely landed in Anchorage

The link: (Not a terribly long article and informative)
www.avo.alaska.edu...

It has the potential to disturb the precarious US economy a little, with air traffic delays.

Originally posted by JustMike
Errrmmm...and one more question if you could help out: historically, are Redoubt's eruptions known to trigger any major seismic activity on or near the subduction zone in that region? (I assume the volcano was formed in part due to the subduction activity there.)

That's a good question. I was in high school in 1989, so I don't know what the activity was like then, except that Loma Prieta preceded it by a few months. (Probably totally unrelated)

Someone would have to go back and match up historic quakes along the subduction zone with volcanic activity from Redoubt and the other Alaska volcanoes. Probably someone has done those studies, maybe I can find a link later.

Edited to add: Great photo with this article
latimesblogs.latimes.com...

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reply to post by quakewatcher
Many thanks for your concise and informative answer! Star for you. Yikes...Redoubt sounds like it can get very nasty indeed... It will be well worth keeping an eye on that volcano, just in case there is any stronger seismic activity associated with it that might have knock-on effects for Yellowstone. (Seeing as how there is scientific evidence that AK quakes can trigger ones in YS...)

Hopefully our members up in that region are all far enough away from Redoubt that it won't affect them too severely if it erupts.

People, I'm taking the rest of the night off. See you tomorrow.

Dobrou noc (that's Czech for "good night"),

Mike

reply to post by JustMike


This looked interesting also...

faculty.washington.edu...

www.scribd.com...

www.adn.com...

www.alaskool.org...



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OK...~M2.5 in South Carolina...Oklahoma...Kentucky...Tennesee...Georgia...what's wrong with this picture?
folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu...


[edit on 1/29/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Yeah, I don't like that picture either, I have wondered about the quakes happening in my area (Knoxville), to me it is very strange.

Hey, regarding the "pipe cleaners", notice Redoubt page:
www.avo.alaska.edu...

those look a lot like the pipe cleaners - as they go across the top, obviously they are a little bigger etc. but YS is just as messy as Redoubts.

So, with that in mind, could all those pipe cleaners be, stirring downunder?

I have noticed they happen about the same time everyday, but I have also noticed a "clean up", the earlier spike is not on the lkwy monitor anymore.

A 5.3 just hit in Brazil recently. It's interesting because the depth is 609.5 KM! All of the earthquakes in the region are ALL deep. Super deep. Only around 10 or so notable ones there since 1990. Seems quake activity, and volcanic activity is picking up around the globe.

There seriously needs to be an explanation for this! As you said Hx3, there are strange earthquakes even occuring on the East Coast, far greater then what is common in a normal time frame so to speak. Something is building up. Yellowstone could blow it's lid, but it could follow suit in the coming months or years. Just sit back and watch all the new volcanoes light up the maps, and see the globe wake up!

Maybe there is a pole shift, or something else preparing to happen. Maybe it's solar radiation/magnetism effecting things. California is overdue for a large quake, and it's coming, soon.

Underwater volcanic tremor.. oceanexplorer.noaa.gov...
Creepy..

In all fairness.....JustMike is once again the glue keeping this thread together and making sure everybody is "friendly" and "heard"...

Thanks Mike!!!!

Star for you

(going back to lurking-mode again...keep it up guys)

I have just updated the QuakeData program so that those of you who do wish to try it on SQL Server will now have a utility in settings to 'find' the server name. It's V1.0.8

www.4shared.com...

I have also tweaked the audio a bit more.

reply to post by questioningall

I think you should be concerned about recent quakes in your area. The New Madrid Zone is pretty much expected to produce a 6< Quake in our life time. Southern Illinois, Missouri, Tennesse and Kentucky all feel the effects of a sediment filled rift ( where the earths crust started to separate). An earthquake of this magnitude quite possibly could cause major damage to buildings for hundreds of miles since few were built with this possibility in mind.



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