Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by Hx3_1963


OK, I have just put a .wav file up there at 40 Hz, the original rate it was recorded at. The EQ noise is completely gone, but you can hear where it is as it masks the 'pipecleaner'. Electrical motor for my money.

See 2 posts back for link.

reply to post by PuterMan


I did a live spectrum Analysis of the wave, it looks like the "pipe cleaner" sits around a 90 Hz spike?



[edit on 1/28/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Alaska's volcano "Redoubt" is expected to blow. Heads up: it forms a triangle with Hawaii (which is erupting) and Yellowstone.

reply to post by Siren


We've been looking at it off and on, I expect when it kicks off it'll make a ton of noise in the YS region. It is a pity that today is foggy there in AK since both of the webcams there for Redoubt are online. As some folks say it's be nice to watch it go if it happens on cam and in daytime.

M.

Originally posted by TREMORS4
reply to post by Hx3_1963

 

Now to my question, what happened to the thumbnails? I found that they are the best way to monitor the area when I have only a little time.

My apologies. MySQL death. I've restarted it and gotten it caught up. Rather interesting day...

Someone mentioned earlier that YS was 'noisy' today.

I have put 2 files up at www.4shared.com... which I warn you are long! (3 MB each)

The files are:
US_LKWY_BHZ_20090128-125150.wav (800 Hz) (21.8 mins)
US_LKWY_BHZ_20090128-125150_0001.wav (1200 Hz) (33.8 mins)

They cover the period 12:52 to 23:48 GMT when all the noise is on the seismo at LKWY-BHZ, on the 28 Jan. (This also covers the 1.4 Mag I think)

On the 1200 Hz file US_LKWY_BHZ_20090128-125150_0001.wav take a listen at 01:59 mins into the file. There is a weird sound just before the pipecleaner starts that sounds something like the noise on the Mt St Helens file. This file was 1,574,945 samples - sort of to see if the program could cope with that.

Would it be too much to ask to stick to the current volcanic and EQ events, and step away from the tech talk for a bit, after all, there's a whole lotta shakin going on...

reply to post by PuterMan


Very cool...the 9-10 minute section is nice too...motor noise, gurgling, thumping, wind...

Have any of you noticed all the activity on the monitors today.

The thumbnails site is back up, and 8 of them look just like the mammoth vault monitor, with all the squiggly lines. I am inserting the LKWY monitor - I have always thought those squgglies were from snow machines and things like that (man made) this whole time. What's up with 8 of them being squiggly? - and three around the lkwy are also just like this one.

reply to post by questioningall


I believe a Weather Front went through last nite and the wind had picked up from the NW in the mid 20's gusting over 30 earlier...calming down now

www.wunderground.com...


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reply to post by Hx3_1963


Hey, that was last night, these are happening today, and not from all of them, but the ones that are bunched together.

Also, how would wind affect these monitors? Aren't they in the ground?

reply to post by questioningall


www.wunderground.com...

try this and have a look around...notice wind reports

wind can "rattle" site equipment and show up on seismographs...notice some sites are out in the open others in protected areas...

volcanoes.usgs.gov...

[edit on 1/28/2009 by Hx3_1963]

between 09:23 & 09:39 01-28-09 at YFT looks interesting..."saw tooth"...is that the build-up to a Old Faithful eruption?

The "pipecleaners" at LKWY, or caterpillers as I've calling them, are being caused by water injection. There is lots of research suggesting water movement in aquifer can cause quakes. And it can put stresses on faults.
I believe the "pipecleaners are fluid and gas movement. As water is being forced by pressure, it is squeezing gas out in the opposite direction. It's like the groaning of water pipes when air is moving around the raditors in a boiler system. The earthquakes are like the pipe banging as pressure is transfered from one place to another.

I'll provide some sites that discuss how water effects seismicity. I wouldn't be posting out here, but I need to promote my findings which I've posted on You Tube.
ca.youtube.com...

www.gps.caltech.edu...
www.redorbit.com...
www.wipo.int...

Major changes are taking place in Yellowstone aquifer. The stress on faults is causing microquakes all over the park. Changes in hydro-thermal surface geyers may happen late in the process. I strongly object to Jake Lowenstern's suggestion that the "pipecleaners" are not seismic. They also could be electromagnetic pulses. Water. It's been the catalyist. The strong La Nina has dropped worldwide temps and has brought colder and wetter weather to Yellowstone. Heavy snowfalls last year replenished the aquifers. The heavy snow is causing avalanches and insulating the park's heat and preventing maxium venting. The Lake is full, so it's mass will increase pressure on surrounding faults. The whole system is charged. Sorry. Just thinking aloud again. Please take a look at my findings. It's all about the water. Not the magma. The water injection and inundation will cause a partial roof collapse, capturing a pocket, and then a cascade. Sorry. I wish I had an off switch.

reply to post by Robin Marks

Your theories are very intuitive. It's exciting to read about all this.

First time I've seen this clip...



and then the "Classic"...




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I will have to agree and put in my 2 cents; if the pipe cleaner/caterpillar noise was created by an artificial “motor” or instrument than the pattern would be more consistent. Truly, if the signal was coming from, per say, a generator than the only change of pattern would be refueling or if a ‘load’ was increasing or decreasing and even then it would be a steady, continuous signal. I also find it hard to believe that YVO would allow their instruments to be mucked up for weeks by a rouge signal of total insignificance.
To deny magma/water moving in YS’s massive magma and geyser chambers would, to me, be as silly as proclaiming the world was flat. The apparent deformation over the past several years, increased seismic behavior combined with the occasional animal killing over from toxic gasses tells the story in itself, or one would think. YS, obviously, is a very active volcano or volcanic system which means magma and water will reload and move around a lot right? I still think the most intriguing thing about this bad boy is no one knows what he’s going to do until it starts happening all the way. I just hope someone recognizes ‘it’ when ‘it’ happens with this slow acceleration of events. Keep up the good work - you are all fabulous! I’m just thrilled to find interesting people who actually have an opinion about something beyond their immediate line of sight. Oh, and yes I to think the signal may, perhaps, be electromagnetic in the natural sense, but, I have no clue what that means J..

reply to post by Hx3_1963

Oh, that was just lovely.. I only watched the "classic;" enough for me before bed Ive been dreaming about volcanos enough lately - thank you.

reply to post by akjen

if the pipe cleaner/caterpillar noise was created by an artificial “motor” or instrument than the pattern would be more consistent

IMHO I think it would be fair to say that the sounds we are hearing are indeed consistent. Maybe not in interval, but at least in frequency (Hz). If you listen to the sounds I have posted I am sure you will agree that these are NOT gas or water. If this was gas or water movement there would not be the imediate off when it stops, but instead it would tail off in a decreasing signal. It is definitely a mechanical noise and I believe it to be a pump.(Listen to the realtime sound @40Hz)

I also find it hard to believe that YVO would allow their instruments to be mucked up for weeks by a rouge signal of total insignificance.

Again in my opinion there has to be a trade off here. They need sampling equipment and if this is a mechanical pump they have to take the hit on 'interference'. They will be well aware of what this is and account for it.

To deny magma/water moving in YS’s massive magma and geyser chambers would, to me, be as silly as proclaiming the world was flat

But it is flat, ins't it? No seriously I doubt anyone reading this thread would deny the possibilty of water or magma moving.

Oh, and yes I to think the signal may, perhaps, be electromagnetic in the natural sense, but, I have no clue what that means

Again IMHO a motor/pump produces electromagnetic signals. I am slightly concerned that a certain person has now made two posts recently claiming (1) to know where and when YS will explode, and (2)

I strongly object to Jake Lowenstern's suggestion that the "pipecleaners" are not seismic.

I for one respect Mr Lowernstern's obvious knowledge and experience and, in the light of our own findings, would prefer to agree with him that the 'pipecleaners' are not seismic. If the other person would be so kind as to divulge his credentials then I might be inclined to listen to what he has to say, but the statement

I wouldn't be posting out here, but I need to promote my findings which I've posted on You Tube.

makes me feel that his regurgitation of other sources is not based on scientific analysis, but rather on a need to be acknowledged.


[edit on 29/1/09 by PuterMan]

A 450 nanometers spike on GEE just occurred near Old Faithful seismic station.
There has been some activity around there lately.

EDIT
By the way, at the original LKWY seismometer sampling speed (40 hz), spectrum analysis reveals that the pipecleaner signal has a peak frequency of 18 Hz (to be precise, 17.97 Hz). If it was an electric motor/pump, this would be equivalent to a speed of 1078 rpm (or the double of this value for a 4-stroke gasoline/diesel engine).

It would be interesting to check out how the same signal looks like on BHE and BHN channels too.

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