Scores killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza

reply to post by JanusFIN

Terrorists. All of them terrorists of Hamas. Iran is the main pillar within The Axis of Evil. These are Iranian angels of international death. God be blessed that we are rid of them. Next step Iran!

reply to post by JanusFIN


War is hell, especially in all of its graphic glory.

Everyone take a good look before it is censored.

Now that is out of the way... We (Americans) must accept the fact that this is not our fight... We are in no position of moral high ground... The Israeli and Palestinian conflicts are not OUR war... We have meddled in their affairs for far too long and have likely contributed to the hatred and violence in that region of the world.

Postponing the inevitable is the best we have done, or can hope to do... Sooner or later they will have to finish this battle.

I hope you all realize this is a smoke screen to hide the economic chaos the world is in!!

Lots of people are going to suffer and die because of it.

reply to post by JanusFIN


So they can drag dead terrorist bodies from the bombed buildings and arrange them in a group.

Are dead people a sad thing, yes.

But so are the dead and wounded on the other side, which seems to be forgotten by some people.

Shall I drag out the bloody pictures of Suicide bombers in coffee shops, cafea's..........? Remember, they made the cause, they are getting the effect.



[edit on 12/27/2008 by mrmonsoon]

Originally posted by maloy
What is it with all the "zionist" and religious talk? People here make it sound like if not for zionists this conflict would have never happened. It is not about zionists or religion - it is about politics and history.

What about the never ending conflict between India and Pakistan? Are you blaming zionists for that too? Or the stretched conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan? Or Kosovo? Or South Ossetia?

Fact of the matter is - conflicts with no end in sight like this over land with some underlying historic disputes are common all around the world. That's just politics. Israel - Palestine is no different. It just so happens that these conflicts involve some sort of ethnical differences, like religion, to fuel them.



If people want to exploit the situation to suit their own opinions or ideas, they can blame the zionists or whoever as much as they want. That won't change anything and won't help anything. But it is just far to fun to plug in an occasional "zionist" or "communist" or "terrorist" here and there to help give your arguement more color. All it does is detract from critical assessment of the issue.

[edit on 27-12-2008 by maloy]

what are you talking about? you know, this is crazy! i cant decide what i feel more when reading this BS from the pro israel side of this debate, hilarious or pitiful? it's obvious to some that it would indeed be impossible to support israel in anything if you know the truth. this however is taking not knowing anything to a whole new level!

Zionists alone are directly responsible for the Palestinian Conflict. The Balfour Declaration was a dirty, illegal, secretive, back stabbing bribe forcing England into giving that land to Israel as payment to Zionists for secretly tricking a pro German USA into WW1. how can you guys argue in favor of something you know absolutely nothing about! it's whacky! WOW

Looking at Hamas as terrorists does not help. Politically they are immature. They think they can negotiate ceasefires and not try to uphold them. They need a kicking. The problem is that so many civilians live so close by. You can't look at Hamas as solely terrorists, they use the Ballot Box. They need to act like adults in this and realise that all people need to live. If they want to repatriate settlement Jews, if they played their cards right they could even have got George W to stump up......

reply to post by Feidon


THANK YOU FROM DOING THAT!

We really need you here, to tell your story, the other side of Israel, what we try to support, along with palestinian civilians here.

I have been suffering with Gazans for a time now, and this massacre has keep me here more than 12 hours now... Since it begun. You find my post from the first too.. Its just terrible what is taking place today!

Here are so racist people towards palestinians, that sometimes its hard to try to understand their points, some we just have to ignore... Please, keep telling your story, why you march against your governments acts, and teach us all in these hard times.

I just post couple of awful pictures, because some of the idiots here even claim that those pictures are just palestinian propaganda!

Keep your position, you are needed here, and its great honor to send you this post, and give my thankful thoughts to someone, who really has done something brave to our common cause today; for humanism and understanding.

Thank you!

[edit on 27-12-2008 by JanusFIN]

reply to post by Zerbst
Why you looking backwards Zerbst? This is the here and now! We are dealing with the elimination of Islamo terror. BTW the UK was in control of the region and made the Balfour Declaration. It belonged to them and it was their perogative what was to happen to the ME. They gave a bit of it to the Jews.......... as you point out!

reply to post by JanusFIN


Janus, thanks for the pictures. What I see are adult men in paramilitary uniforms. Undoubtably Hamas "police" or just a bunch of Hamas yahoos who won't be launching any more rockets or mortars across a border at innocents, starting responses as is pictured.

reply to post by ufoorbhunter


Sorry to say this, but I just put you to my ignore list... Its always a bad thing, but looking from your point of view, there is just nothing to see.

When a police man has come to be also a terrorist?

From today - Zionists make world to look upside down.

Hamas is the one who lauched the first rocket into Israeli, so they had this coming. If hamas didn't want a war they shouldn't shot the rockets. People seem to think its ok for israeli people to die but when it comes to hamas its a bad thing

reply to post by mrmonsoon

I know where you are coming from. The way they arranged those Hamas operatives, all dressed in black!

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Zerbst

 

zerb, you haven't been paying attention. Hamas time and again hide behind children, even grabbing them up as they run away to use as shields.

Look around, open your eyes. Hiding and launching attacks near apartments, schools, and even grabbing women and children is one of their basic tactics.

Do you really believe your uninformed response will be taken seriously?

Ok since your so informed inform me on where you get this information that these guys grab women and children and use them as shields. Can you site one source please? You have pics? Have you been there? Please inform me.

reply to post by mrmonsoon


Dragged from somewhere?

I still respect your points in here, and I give you a chance to talk your thoughts, but what you mean, those pictures are still fakes?

They are police mans! - Only force that palestinians have to secure their daily life - and If zionist government say they are terrorists, are they really?

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[edit on Sat Dec 27 2008 by The Vagabond]

Originally posted by RFBurns
Here is an excellent rundown of the last 40 years with the Arab-Israel conflict.

Forty Years in Search of Arab-Israeli Peace

A historical fact sheet spanning 40 years in a nutshell.




Cheers!!!!

Just wanted to thankyou for this fact sheet RF

reply to post by John Matrix

And that is your inaccurate and incomplete glimps of history.

I will one up you then and go back before the time of Moses!

Ultimately getting to the very origins though of a problem spanning in excess of 3500 years is daunting when you add the context of a little known religion as actually practiced by the Hebrews but often misrepresented by the Hebrews to non-Hebrews and the dearth of offshoot texts spawned by those incomplete renderings.

Looking at Egyptian papyrus correspondences between the Courts of the Pharaohs’ and Egyptian governed Jerusalem and some of the stone carved hieroglyphics in Egyptian Temples, treaties and correspondences between the Assyrians and Egyptians, and Sumerian Cuneiforms you do get a fairly revealing look at a very distinct and wayfaring race of peoples known in these kingdoms as the Habiru or Habiri or Hapiri depending on where and when the documents originated. Overwhelming circumstantial evidence in these documents details so many unique similarities to Hebrew accounts of who and what they were, that dismissing these documents of not being more accurately reflective of ancient Hebrew history would be foolish.

The Habiru were universally feared and respected from Egypt to the Mesopotamia and were associated with supernatural cosmic/astrological events as well as having the aid of a powerful and unnamed G-d to call upon. In no documented case were they slaves or persecuted but were a versatile people who were considered separate but relatively equal in the Kingdoms they travelled to and through, conducted commerce and sought employment as artisans, and craftsman in metals and masons in stone, mercenaries, administrators and diplomats. These ancient kingdoms were always leery and speculative as to what the actual Habiru agenda was, as they were considered to have a secret but specific one.

Their actual origins seem to point to being a Sea People, possible from Southern Spain, Italy or Malta. Though there very little to document that more accurately at this point in time.

In reality based on their wanderings it appears that Jerusalem was simply selected by them as a city a grateful Pharaoh was willing to cede to them because of it’s remoteness in exchange for their amazing masonry work, as a place to become a focal point for unrelenting warfare for centuries to come based on mythical religious text written by the Habiru about a G-d, some feel strongly has never been truly named or proclaimed by them.

Simply put actual history often shows a discrepancy and significant ones compared to Biblical accounts.

The primary difference between the two sources is Egyptian; Assyrian and Sumerian accounts can be traced to specific dates and authors lending them credibility.

Who authored the Bible, when and where, based on what, and those sources validation is in fact so impossible to validate as to render them historically meaningless except to those indoctrinated into that self serving belief of faith for the sake of faith and the amoral license often afforded them.

If you truly expect a far more reasoned and advanced group of people to accept this so called Biblical entitlement program, please arrange for G-d to show up to the World Court in the Hague. If not please forgive those of us who seek a more credible and verifiable rendering of History than ones shrouded in mysticism compiled from dubious and unauthenticated sources.

There was only one reason for Zionists to wage a terrorist campaign against the British and that was to make sure that the actual British Mandate could not result in the equitable distribution of land promised to all parties.

That is the root of the problem, that and the Habiru agenda to start out with.

reply to post by ufoorbhunter


amazing you support the molocaust thats occuring in gaza

do you have you jack boots ready? since only 6 countries say that hamas are terrorists - and 2 are israel and its lap dog the usa.

remember the zionists burnt the good book and denounce the coming of Christ - who`s birthday we have just celebrated , but is ignored by the heathens.

reply to post by Harlequin
BBC. "IDF ground forces preparing for full scale Gaza assault." Looks like this Iranian Foreign Legion is about to receive a lesson in modern warfare!

reply to post by mybigunit

bigunit, you can pull up stuff just like I can. If you're too lazy, then don't bother asking me. You can even find things by googling Hamas uses children as shields.

It's there if you seek it. If you don't want to look, don't bother denying it doesn't happen.

Originally posted by JanusFIN
reply to post by mrmonsoon

 

Dragged from somewhere?

I still respect your points in here, and I give you a chance to talk your thoughts, but what you mean, those pictures are still fakes?

They are police mans! - Only force that palestinians have to secure their daily life - and If zionist government say they are terrorists, are they really?

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[edit on Sat Dec 27 2008 by The Vagabond]

Janus, don't bother to explain. they will never open their eyes wide enough to see truth. one and all throughout this entire thread have repeatedly regurgitated the same nonsense that has no point. they have no idea what is going on there and no one can make them understand. they are useful idiots to an evil cause, please don't waste your breath.