Scores killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by John Matrix

 

And that is your inaccurate and incomplete glimps of history.

I will one up you then and go back before the time of Moses!

Ultimately getting to the very origins though of a problem spanning in excess of 3500 years is daunting when you add the context of a little known religion as actually practiced by the Hebrews but often misrepresented by the Hebrews to non-Hebrews and the dearth of offshoot texts spawned by those incomplete renderings.

Looking at Egyptian papyrus correspondences between the Courts of the Pharaohs’ and Egyptian governed Jerusalem and some of the stone carved hieroglyphics in Egyptian Temples, treaties and correspondences between the Assyrians and Egyptians, and Sumerian Cuneiforms you do get a fairly revealing look at a very distinct and wayfaring race of peoples known in these kingdoms as the Habiru or Habiri or Hapiri depending on where and when the documents originated. Overwhelming circumstantial evidence in these documents details so many unique similarities to Hebrew accounts of who and what they were, that dismissing these documents of not being more accurately reflective of ancient Hebrew history would be foolish.

The Habiru were universally feared and respected from Egypt to the Mesopotamia and were associated with supernatural cosmic/astrological events as well as having the aid of a powerful and unnamed G-d to call upon. In no documented case were they slaves or persecuted but were a versatile people who were considered separate but relatively equal in the Kingdoms they travelled to and through, conducted commerce and sought employment as artisans, and craftsman in metals and masons in stone, mercenaries, administrators and diplomats. These ancient kingdoms were always leery and speculative as to what the actual Habiru agenda was, as they were considered to have a secret but specific one.

Their actual origins seem to point to being a Sea People, possible from Southern Spain, Italy or Malta. Though there very little to document that more accurately at this point in time.

In reality based on their wanderings it appears that Jerusalem was simply selected by them as a city a grateful Pharaoh was willing to cede to them because of it’s remoteness in exchange for their amazing masonry work, as a place to become a focal point for unrelenting warfare for centuries to come based on mythical religious text written by the Habiru about a G-d, some feel strongly has never been truly named or proclaimed by them.

Simply put actual history often shows a discrepancy and significant ones compared to Biblical accounts.

The primary difference between the two sources is Egyptian; Assyrian and Sumerian accounts can be traced to specific dates and authors lending them credibility.

Who authored the Bible, when and where, based on what, and those sources validation is in fact so impossible to validate as to render them historically meaningless except to those indoctrinated into that self serving belief of faith for the sake of faith and the amoral license often afforded them.

If you truly expect a far more reasoned and advanced group of people to accept this so called Biblical entitlement program, please arrange for G-d to show up to the World Court in the Hague. If not please forgive those of us who seek a more credible and verifiable rendering of History than ones shrouded in mysticism compiled from dubious and unauthenticated sources.

There was only one reason for Zionists to wage a terrorist campaign against the British and that was to make sure that the actual British Mandate could not result in the equitable distribution of land promised to all parties.

That is the root of the problem, that and the Habiru agenda to start out with.

I remain unconvinced, but I would like your sources, bibliography, etc.

I can give you the evidences from many archiological discoveries to demonstrate the acuracy of the old testament. I can tell you what the ancient texts reveal about authorship. I can point you to scholars where you can inform yourself. But your mind is set against God, so that would be futile. There is no point continuing this with you.

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by Harlequin

 

I'm not quite sure what you are on about, the government gives self help courses to the new like you. Let's put it simply, an IDF positive kill ratio of 12/1. Understand English?

pitiful. showing a little decency would do you some good right now. why push it? forcing others to not respect you is a strange way of discussion. if you are trying to make a point for zionism, your ratio is around 0/1??. might want to focus!

Originally posted by ThePiemaker
reply to post by Peruvianmonk

 

You've got a point there. Israel has been the largest annual recipient of direct economic and military assistance from the United States since 1976. They need to keep wacking the hornet's nest to make sure the hornets inside are good and riled up and willing to sting them. Get rid of the terrorist threat and suddenly all that aid we send Israel looks unnecessary.

Great point! Without Hamas and the Palestinians killing their women and children on a daily basis they have no real need for all the aid they get. But as some one stated, from the day they are old enough too read, Palestinian children are taught they are only on Earth to kill Jews. So I don't think Israel needs too worry about the attacks ending any time soon.

reply to post by redhatty


I stand corrected. Good find. I dont think its a big deal to ask for sources if people are going to claim things. That is disgusting.

Hamas is like a bunch of kids in a snowball fight they yell time out when the run out of snowballs (rockets and bombs)

this is because the israelis target there bomb and rocket factories and by calling time out they can safely build more rockets and bombs and then dismantle and hide there bomb and rocket factories before the next round of attacks.

This will be a never ending battle with Hamas calling time out whenever they are losing to rearm.

The israelis have a large amount of fire power and just waits for Hamas to start a new round of attacks and then pounds them again and again till Hamas calls for another time out.

This will never stop till someone like Iran fires a nuke at Israel and kills a large number of Palestinians along with Israelis.

This is the laugh i get with iran and there missles.
if they put nukes on them and try to take out israel they will likely take out as many or more palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Iran fires A nuke at Israel one will go off in Gaza and be blamed on a miss by Iran that landed on the Palestinians.

Please ignore this user called ufoorbhunter. He is just a poor, miserable guy, who can play his war propoganda only on keyboard. He would # on his pants if he sees a single drop of blodd on streets. But ufoorbhunter, I warn you and the ignorants like you: do not cry during the war that you will face in the future, if you cry for the war and blood right now. Never forget that this war in middle east had effected and will effect the very neighboorhood of your house. This is what we call globalisation. Search peace, try to find peace; search war, face with the consequences. God bless all the innocent souls. We all responsible for them.

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Ok to the ones on here who hate Israel. If they are so "dedicated" to exterminating the Palestinians... Why haven't they? If the Jews have such superior forces and hate the Arabs so much why haven't they used it? My theory is it's mostly Pallywood that makes the Jews look bad. What was the last count, 205? How much you want to bet its more like 5 dead, the rest just actors. Maybe that's where the half a billion dollars from the US in 2008 went. They hired Angelina Jolie and Depp and Pitt to play dead people.

Originally posted by bicnarok
The hard and worrying fact is that a country with superior advanced weaponry, is killing civilians in a prison camp resembling the "escape from new york" scenario.

Ahhh....No...they are after a terrorist government in Gaza.

Tomorrow, there will begin a lot of funerals in Gaza. Those of Hamas members, if the past holds true, will have lots of masked Hamas members attending, shouting everything possible against Israel.

You would think that anyone who wanted to really zero in on Hamas and kill them where they found them would introduce cluster bombs on these Hamas funerals.

But that won't happen. The Israelis have more class than that.

I can guarantee you though, if the situation were reversed, these Muslim fanatics would not hesitate.

reply to post by commodore64


Evidence? www.abovetopsecret.com... SNAP!

reply to post by dooper


As I read such words, and I am unfortunatly reading them more and more from any kind of countries and cultures, maybe it is time to divide the world as peace and war seekers and begin to a big war, which may end at least my sufferings and I can say
a) ok war and blood seekers have won, I dont have to suffer anymore and let the world be as it should be
b) ok we won, and we may try to build a new world as we talk each other and decide how we can create a perpetual peace.
And this war will not be religious war but an ethical one. I can not see any other option as I read such messages, which I can not judge as a mere keyboard satisfiers.

What makes this all the sadder is the pitiful use of god in the mix. It would appear that Israel still is big on the tactics of Joshua when he had every living thing in Jericho killed after the walls came down. (those babies could have grown up to hate the so called god of Moses, how stupid) Not being well versed in the Koran, but having heard the term Jihad enough, tells me the same silly justification is used by their side.

The bottom line is this. Human beings are greedy, aggressive, and murder machines when they cannot get what they long for. It is a sad thing that a species able to have such love and compassion is so well versed in hatred. It is not my intention to bash peace loving Christians, Jews, or Muslims here at all. It is those fundamentalists on each side of this issue that make this thing so unresolvable. IF they had any of the love of the Creator they would not starve each other out, bomb children, women, husbands and fathers. This whole thing is so terrible, and it is played out all over the world every single day. Darfur, the Congo, Russia and Georgia and the list will forever go on and on


I still say this particular mess goes right back to Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar. Family dysfunction to the enth degree, with a few thousand years for it to fester. red

So many people with a side to defend. I dont think I have tasted so much hate on any thread I have seen or added too. "The bravery of being out of range" has never been so apt.

I dont know why we dont shut this thread and start one based on info from the war zone, like the Georgian thread. IMO this thread has become an unhealthy propoganda tool for both sides. There are also examples of wind up posts and dis-respect for life.

Any one?

Respects

reply to post by commodore64


Read? No. VIDEO of "dead" people climbing on to stretchers. VIDEO of "dead" children waving at the camera. That is Pallywood.

Originally posted by Zerbst

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by Harlequin

 

I'm not quite sure what you are on about, the government gives self help courses to the new like you. Let's put it simply, an IDF positive kill ratio of 12/1. Understand English?

pitiful. showing a little decency would do you some good right now. why push it? forcing others to not respect you is a strange way of discussion. if you are trying to make a point for zionism, your ratio is around 0/1??. might want to focus!

Does someone have a problem with Zionism?
Zionism is the Jewish national movement of rebirth and renewal in the land of Israel - the historical birthplace of the Jewish people. The yearning to return to Zion, the biblical term for both the Land of Israel and Jerusalem, has been the cornerstone of Jewish religious life since the Jewish exile from the land two thousand years ago, and is embedded in Jewish prayer, ritual, literature and culture.

Modern Zionism emerged in the late 19th century in response to the violent persecution of Jews in Eastern Europe, anti-Semitism in Western Europe. Modern Zionism fused the ancient Jewish biblical and historical ties to the ancestral homeland with the modern concept of nationalism into a vision of establishing a modern Jewish state in the land of Israel.

The "father" of modern Zionism, Austrian journalist Theodor Herzl, consolidated various strands of Zionist thought into an organized political movement, advocating for international recognition of a "Jewish state" and encouraging Jewish immigration to build the land.

Today, decades after the actual founding of a Jewish state, Zionism continues to be the guiding nationalist movement of the majority of Jews around the world who believe in, support and identify with the State of Israel. Zionism, the national aspiration of the Jewish people to a homeland, is to the Jewish people what the liberation movements of Africa and Asia have been to their peoples.

History has demonstrated the need to ensure Jewish security through such a homeland. The re-establishment of Jewish independence in Israel, after centuries of struggle to overcome foreign conquest and exile, is a vindication of the fundamental concepts of the equality of nations and of self-determination. To question the Jewish people's right to national existence and freedom is not only to deny to the Jewish people the right accorded to every other people on this globe, but it is also to deny the central precepts of the United Nations.

reply to post by captiva


I think letting keyboard fascits to talk is not a bad idea, since it may motivate some people to be more aware about how people are actually brainwashed. These keyboard fascits are actually normal people here and there we meet everyday, but they find a place on internet to pour some of their constructed brain neurons. It is a lucky time for us to see how deep the enemy has gone.

Originally posted by captiva
So many people with a side to defend. I dont think I have tasted so much hate on any thread I have seen or added too. "The bravery of being out of range" has never been so apt.

I dont know why we dont shut this thread and start one based on info from the war zone, like the Georgian thread. IMO this thread has become an unhealthy propoganda tool for both sides. There are also examples of wind up posts and dis-respect for life.

Any one?

Respects

for every one person that chooses a side, there is another who is neutral.

this thread does exhibit a lot of hate and propaganda but there are also a lot of posters who are refreshingly insightful.

peace to all
res

Originally posted by dooper
Tomorrow, there will begin a lot of funerals in Gaza. Those of Hamas members, if the past holds true, will have lots of masked Hamas members attending, shouting everything possible against Israel.

You would think that anyone who wanted to really zero in on Hamas and kill them where they found them would introduce cluster bombs on these Hamas funerals.

But that won't happen. The Israelis have more class than that.

I can guarantee you though, if the situation were reversed, these Muslim fanatics would not hesitate.

You are right. They did not hesitate to kill thousands of Americans on 9/11. They danced in the streets at the deaths of thousands of moms and dads, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters. They believe they will take over the world. If they do, more than 80 percent of all American adults will be put to death for sexcapades outside of marriage. Most of our women would be considered whores and adulterers and be put to death.