That Led Zepplin Devil Worship Discussion

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

If you list to the Song Remains the Same live album, on the “Dazed and Confused Cut” during the end of the jam in the middle of the song Plant sings
“If you are going to San Francisco... you are going to meet a lot of Devil people there”

The same song also contains the line 'soul of a woman was created below', which, of course, could be interpreted as an attempt at the Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit. Oddly enough, on the recording you mention, Plant, immediately after singing this line, mutters somehing under his breath. It sounds as if he's saying 'that's not true'.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
How could he invoke something he did not believe in?

It kind of looks like he did and didn't believe .. depending on what time in his life you choose to listen to his words. At least that's what I'm reading.

At times he says he doesn't believe in the devil.
Then others he says he wants to be the devils 'chief of staff'.
Then at others, people swear they were present when he invoked demons.

Perhaps he was a fickle believer. Sometimes Christians have what's called a 'crisis of faith'. Perhaps Crowley had a 'crisis of faith' in the devil. Or perhaps he wasn't a believer for the most part but then a few times he dabbled in the demonic.

People change and perhaps at different times he felt different ways?
That happens with Christians all the time. So why not Devil worshippers?

Who knows.

well without Christianity would there be a Satanic religion... >?

reply to post by BornPatriot


YES

More on Satan in Judiaism

Different names and different degrees of power.
But Satan is all over the map when it comes to religion.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
(I named the thread like that in honor of 'That 70's Show'
- same time frame for Led Zepplin)

There is an urban legend about Led Zepplin.
Well … supposedly an urban legend.

Allegedly Jimmy Page of Led Zepplin is a devout devil worshipper. He was obsessed with Edward Alexander “Aleister” Crowley, going so far as to purchase Crowley’s home and some of his clothing. Included in that clothing was one of Crowleys long black robes in which Page would walk around the Crowley/Page home in.

Many claim that the reverse speech of Stairway to Heaven reveals the Satanism. Many also claim that the forward speech of Stairway to Heaven reveals Satanism and that the ‘lady’ is the consort of the devil.

Crowley taught this saying – “Do what thou wilt shalt be the whole of the law.” Jimmy Page had inscribed in the vinyl on the third Zeppelin Album “Do what thou wilt. So mete it Be.”

During Led Zepplin concerts, Page would do Crowleys Devil Worship rituals without the crowd knowning.

Anyways – I present to you the reverse speech Stairway to Heaven.
I LOVE THIS STUFF. I don’t believe it means anything.
But it’s still creepy fun to look into.

You Tube of Reverse Stairway to Heaven

Stairway to Heaven reverse speech

More music reverse speech
(some cuss words)

Jimmy Page was only one member of the band. However, the other members must have been aware of what he was doing in regards to what he was doing with the music and albums as well as what he was doing on stage.

So was Jimmy Page a devil worshipper?
Was Led Zepplin a band of co-horts?
Was it all just 70's style anti-establishment fun?
Was it serious or just a big joke?

Does it matter if we are all singing along to songs, and having school proms named after the songs, when the songs are songs that are demonic?

Does it matter?

Where do you get off?
If you were actually a studier and reader of the Occult, had actually read Crowley's doctrines and the founding book of western Occultism by the great Cornelius Agrippa,
you would have realized that the Occult has nothing to do with devil worshipping.

This thread really has no point.
Jimmy Page has an interest in the Occult.
As do I.
It is much more spiritual based then sacrificing lambs and chanting nonsense voo-doo.

I thought the people on above top secret knew what they were talking about.
Clearly not.

[edit on 18-12-2008 by Erytiel]

Imagine that I'm from Tucson, AZ and it's the 1800s. And I travel back to New York or London. And people, not understanding what it's like to live in the western US, assume, that since I carry a gun, I surely must be a gunslinger.

So, out of amusement of their ignorance and since I can use it to my advantage, gaining fear, respect and importance, I do not correct them. In fact I mention that I even want to be Jessie James right hand man.

THIS, does not make me a gunslinger or outlaw.

I'm a life long Zeppelin fan and have many, many books, articles, interviews audio and video, and even a few autobio's and bio's. Yes he was into some of Alister's writings and teachings, but Black Magic and devil worship, I don't think so. Just like some of us who like to explore new ideas and teachings, I don't think Jimmy or any of them were 'into it" that deep. I like Alphone Mucha, and would love to own a house built by him or designed by him but that does't mean that I follow everything the man was into. Just attracted by some of the things the man did in his life.
Just my opinion. Jimmy is a really nice gentleman. He is quiet and keeps to himself, unless its for a good cause. He and John Paul, have done a tremendous amount of charity work. And as far as the ZOSO, it's Celtic, and it does't really "say" ZOSO. thats just what it looks like. I will look it up in my books and see if I can find what it really means.

"As it was, than again it will be. Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea".

reply to post by Jadette


Thats exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks!

Originally posted by Erytiel
Where do you get off?

You didn't read the thread, did you? Nope. Didn't think so.

I thought the people on above top secret knew what they were talking about. Clearly not.

Well, YOU certainly don't know what you are talking about since you didn't read the thread. Try reading the thread before you mouth off. You won't look so foolish next time.

Originally posted by zosocoda
And as far as the ZOSO, it's Celtic, and it does't really "say" ZOSO. thats just what it looks like. I will look it up in my books and see if I can find what it really means.

"As it was, than again it will be. Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea".

I posted earlier about ZOSO, it's a sigil. I'm not sure if it's 'Celtic' in nature, but it's astrological and related to Saturn, which is ruling planet of the sign of Capricorn, which is Jimmy's Sun Sign.

reply to post by asmeone2


Love the Black Crowes also my #2

reply to post by Jadette

The only reason I say that it's Celtic is because that is what Robert said in and interveiw when asked about the "symbols".
It's in one of my books I will go look it up....brb

[edit on 18-12-2008 by zosocoda]

reply to post by asmeone2


you have to ask yourself.... If they are devil worshipers, are you ready to reject the devil and thier music?

Originally posted by FlyersFan
We have conflicting information on Crowley. We have quotes of him saying that he doesn't believe in the Devil. Then we have quotes on him saying he wants to be the Chief of Staff of the Devil. And we have you saying that he confessed in his writings to summoning demons. If you have a link or some information such as page and book number that would be helpful.

I have to wonder if he meant "The Devil" in the more Jewish and Kabbalistic sense of "The Advocate" rather than "THe Evil One"--meaning, for those who don't know, the Devil isn't actually evil but is assigned by God to tempt humanity in order to test their worth.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
When you watch two grown men like Robert Plant and Jimmy Page on all fours belaboring how perfect the circle of a Pentagram is for acheiving maximum effect and power, ....

Now THAT could easily be taken as Satanic. Some would say 'occult'. Some would say 'dark arts'. But many would say that they were actually worshipping Satan - with or without knowing it - and Satans power was
involved in what they were doing.

That could also be taken as drunk. Specifically the all-fours point.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Batmanatee

 

Wow. Are you saying you actually witnessed that? Seriously, feel free to offer any other thing like that you actually saw.

My favorit was watching John Bonham argue with the manager of an Occult Shop on Santa Monica Boulevard over his refusal to sell him a particular item in stock in order to do a spell. The manager insisted he wouldn't enable him to do that particular spell with an ever angering Bonham offering more and more cash for the item just to hear no again and again and storming angrily out of the place.

Do you remember what the name of this shop was?

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

If you list to the Song Remains the Same live album, on the “Dazed and Confused Cut” during the end of the jam in the middle of the song Plant sings
“If you are going to San Francisco... you are going to meet a lot of Devil people there”

The same song also contains the line 'soul of a woman was created below', which, of course, could be interpreted as an attempt at the Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit. Oddly enough, on the recording you mention, Plant, immediately after singing this line, mutters somehing under his breath. It sounds as if he's saying 'that's not true'.

Or.... a line about the proverbial psychotic ex girlfriend?

If you listen to "Going to California" from "How the West was Won," he also hits on Joni Mitchell.

It has nothing to do with devil worship! Sometimes I hate the internet.

The most evil thing they ever did was release a little song called dazed and confused. The first time people heard that they thought it came from another friggin world.

It would be tame by todays standards, but back then, it was pure awesome. Still is.


If you trace the legends of blues singers / bands whatever selling their souls to the devil for talent it actually comes back to Africa. Most legends are spread by the person they are about. Robert Johnson spread his rumors himself.


Led Zeppelin stole many an idea from black blues singers...

Originally posted by asmeone2
I have to wonder if he meant "The Devil" in the more Jewish and Kabbalistic sense ...

As I was looking through the information it seemed to me that most of the religions did indeed have an evil entity or spirit that was opposed to the good entity(ies) or spirit(s). They werent' all called 'devil' and they didn't all possess the same powers (allegedly) that the Christian devil does. But there seems to be that common good v evil theme with major players taking the positions in many of the religions.

I don't know if YOU would call them 'the devil' ... I don't know if I would ...

Originally posted by vonholland
reply to post by asmeone2

 

you have to ask yourself.... If they are devil worshipers, are you ready to reject the devil and thier music?

Actually I have asked myself that.

I started listening to the band back when I was still a 'Christian' and people gave me a hard time about it, because of the misunderstandings previously mentioned.

I researched most of the points here in order to understand the criticisms being made.

as I've said I don't think it equates to devil worship.

Even so, I love the music. Even if the band members WERE devil worshipppers... well.... I would still have to say thank you for the music. It has inspired me and helped me through some very difficult times in my life.

Nah, I don't think I'll stop listening.

Originally posted by Dulcimer

Led Zeppelin stole many an idea from black blues singers...

Most of the first two albums?

D&C actually went back to the Yardbirds: