That Led Zepplin Devil Worship Discussion

Thank you so much for your answers. I will inquire a bit further.

What does 93 93/93 mean?

Originally posted by Dropline

The easiest answer would be from your holy guardian angel. There was mention earlier in this thread about Abramelin workings done at that house Page and Crowley owned, that was what Crowley was doing trying to contact his HGA.

He later came up with another way to reach that state, and there are actually many other ways also. If you where into Yoga and reached a state of Kundalini you could most likely use that to talk to yout HGA and get your will. But like I said there are many ways, and if you think about it we all have our own roads. Your path is not mine, what works for one may not for another.

Yes I have done Yoga and Kundalini, though I'm not very advanced with that yet. Nowhere near that advanced. I tend to approach things from a shamanic or naturalistic angle, anyway.

Is this "angels" in the esoteric Christian and Jewish sense, or did he merely borrow the word?

Ceremonial Magick is what it really is all about. You can find you will on your own, and your path my be a solo one. We are more then simple sheep, to be in the OTO there is no real Dogma, just don't interfere with another's will. I have heard Pagan's call it 'Stepping on anothers aura' so pretty much Do on to others, Hmm.. someone else said something like that.

If you can elaborate on this, How much of the magic follows a set protocol, and how much of it is up to the individual? You don't have to elaborate on how specifically they are performed, I'm just wondering if--since you mentioned it--there are commonalities such as the Catholics blessing themselves or Hail Marying that never change.

And not to sound stupid, but what do you attempt to accomplish with this magic? Is it simply balancing oneself with the universe or higher power, or can you ask for favors? I would assume something between the somehwat mundane things that Wiccan spells accomplish and a solid place in rock and roll history?

This was a friend of mine's own theary based on things she saw at the store. Hard to say for sure being she is mostly blinded by lust over Jimmy Page since she was a teen.

She does know that he's a good 64 now?

I also want to mention that the OTO is part of the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica (E.G.C.), or the Gnostic Catholic Church. So in reality it IS a form of Catholisism.

Wow, what else is part of that?

And does OTO have anything specific to do with freemasonry?

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I'm sorry but you haven't said anything that isn't already public knowledge.

For anyone who is interested there is a thread her on ATS in the Gray Area Window of Opportunity started by a person/entity that claims to be one of the ruling blood line families, who claims that he and they are all part of the Lucifer Logos mind/body/spirit complex. That the Lucifer Logos originates from the Planet Venus, and that while they are contracted for spiritual purposes to do evil on earth as a catalyst towards free will, that its all done out of a deep love for all things in creation and the Law of One.

He claims Lucifer is the bringer of light, and that there are no such thing as Satanical type figures or demons, but that all eminates from a jealous God who didn't believe Adam or Eve would actually eat from Lucifer's Tree of Knowledge.

Those of you objecting to the idea Page, Plant and Bonham might have been Devil worshippers or that Crawley was evil, might enjoy this exceptionally well written thread, that left many an ATS Skeptic and Debunker foundering for some light of their own as they tried to match witts and knowledge with the OP.

While everyone wants to and insists on being an authority on this subject I would humbly and respectfully contend there really are only two people who are and that's Jimmy Page and Robert Plant.

Please resume your argument.

LOL

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I'm sorry but you haven't said anything that isn't already public knowledge.

Why would you be sorry about that? I am not. These are people who in many ways led very public lives. One of J. Paul Getty's mistresses would be hard pressed to say something that wasn't public knowledge. That doesn't negate her life experiences though does it?

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Jimmy and Lori Maddox.

I took that when I was hanging with the boys at the Riot House.

I mean... Google gave it to me.

I'm not trying to be overly harsh and call you a liar, but your 'inside information' is actually just stuff that's been known for a while.

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Originally posted by jibeho
Great thread!
I don't have much to offer regarding the symbolism or the occult that hasn't already been said.

I can just share my memory of manually reversing Stairway to Heaven on my portable Welcome Back Kotter record player. My parents wouldn't let me mess with their console stereo phonograph in reverse. My buddies and I would gather around Horshack and Epstein trying to get the speed just right and somebody would blurt out " Holy S*** I think I heard it"

Ha! That is just perfect! I remember doing the same thing myself. Once I had the brilliant idea of having a "portable stereo" (except it was mono...) on my bike, in 6th grade. I spent a Saturday riding all over town with my little Juliet battery powered record player on my handle bars. I was really fascinated to discover that while it was playing, if I turned one way the record would speed up. If I turned the other, it would slow down or play in reverse

Does anyone remember the 45 to "They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha Ha"? If you flipped it over it would play the same song in reverse. We used to call up old ladies in the neighborhood and play it into the phone..... OK> too much information......back to topic! :0

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I'm not trying to be overly harsh and call you a liar, but your 'inside information' is actually just stuff that's been known for a while.

LOL, asmeone, I have led a colorful life, done things, been places, met people, been privy to things, I am well used to people who are fortunate enough to lead quieter more sheltered lives would find hard to believe, do find hard to believe.

It makes no difference to me what you choose to believe, or not. It's your life, and you have free will.

You can define your own truth, even attempt to define it for others, maybe even succeed here and there in that quest, if that's what makes you feel like your life is well spent.

I am happy for you.

The question is, what would you do with the truth, if you actually could determine it in a way that didn't require you to skeptically, or critically dismiss people and what they have to share, based on what it is you want to know and want to share?

None of my business! Someone asked, I answered

Funny world! Do what thoust will...

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93

What does 93 93/93 mean?

the 93 in the start stands for "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." 93, 93/93 is "Love is the law, love under will." The number 93 is a magick number to Thelema and Will Law and Love all can be tied to the number 93. So its kinda like
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the ."
"Love is the , \ "
I guess the last part should be 93 93, 93 / 93 but its what people use for shorthand, so I do the same. All documents or communications are to start and end with that.

The easiest answer would be from your holy guardian angel. There was mention earlier in this thread about Abramelin workings done at that house Page and Crowley owned, that was what Crowley was doing trying to contact his HGA.He later came up with another way to reach that state, and there are actually many other ways also. If you where into Yoga and reached a state of Kundalini you could most likely use that to talk to your HGA and get your will. But like I said there are many ways, and if you think about it we all have our own roads. Your path is not mine, what works for one may not for another.

Yes I have done Yoga and Kundalini, though I'm not very advanced with that yet. Nowhere near that advanced. I tend to approach things from a shamanic or naturalistic angle, anyway.
Is this "angels" in the esoteric Christian and Jewish sense, or did he merely borrow the word?

There are different types of entities. To list a few Angels, Demons and elementals. There are more but it's just a label for a type of entity in my eyes. Just how a Shark and a Guppy are both fish I guess, over simplified of course.

Ceremonial Magick is what it really is all about...
If you can elaborate on this, How much of the magic follows a set protocol, and how much of it is up to the individual? You don't have to elaborate on how specifically they are performed, I'm just wondering if--since you mentioned it--there are commonalities such as the Catholics blessing themselves or Hail Marying that never change.

And not to sound stupid, but what do you attempt to accomplish with this magic? Is it simply balancing oneself with the universe or higher power, or can you ask for favors? I would assume something between the somehwat mundane things that Wiccan spells accomplish and a solid place in rock and roll history?

That's a hard one to answer with a simple one line. We do have a monthly Mass that never changes, The Gnostic Catholic Mass. The thing about the 'Do what that wilt' part is many people do different things. Some people work with Angels (Enochian workings) some work with Demons (Geotia Working) and some are more wiccan in there routines. And I think a little of everything in between. You can use it for anything really, there are many forms of magick and some I am sure you do and don't know it.

This was a friend of mine's own theary based on things she saw at the store. Hard to say for sure being she is mostly blinded by lust over Jimmy Page since she was a teen.
She does know that he's a good 64 now?

I am sure she does, I never did the math on the dates, just after reading the link on Crowley being GW Bush's grandfather I thought I would toss this in. I think Crowley died in 1947 but I would have to check for sure, I do not worship Crowley nor am I a Crowley Historian.

Wow, what else is part of that?

And does OTO have anything specific to do with freemasonry?

OTO and Masons almost merged in the 1900s in Detroit. But no not directly, some things are similar but you can say that about the Catholic Church also.

93, 93/93

Barbara Pierce was the third child of the former Pauline Robinson (1896–1949) and her husband, Marvin Pierce (1893–1969), who later became president of McCall Corporation, the publisher of the popular women's magazines Redbook and McCall's. Her ancestor Thomas Pierce, an early New England colonist, was also an ancestor of Franklin Pierce, the 14th president of the United States. She is a direct descendant, great-great-granddaughter, of James Pierce, Jr. who was a fourth cousin of President Pierce.[1]
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I never did the Stairway backwards but my first car had a short in the wiring so that when I stepped on the brake while the tape player was running, it would slow way the heck down.... I actually got a gullible friend to beleive that the car was possessed once.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Barbara Pierce was the third child of the former Pauline Robinson (1896–1949) and her husband, Marvin Pierce (1893–1969), who later became president of McCall Corporation, the publisher of the popular women's magazines Redbook and McCall's. Her ancestor Thomas Pierce, an early New England colonist, was also an ancestor of Franklin Pierce, the 14th president of the United States. She is a direct descendant, great-great-granddaughter, of James Pierce, Jr. who was a fourth cousin of President Pierce.[1]
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I was not saying she was really, I just saw the post and it made me thing of that. That's about how far I read in when I posted my reply. That's why I made the comment I did about Jimmy Page.

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Thank you I found that very helpful.

and remember... If theres a bustle in your hedgegrow don't be alarmed now, It's just a spring clean for the Mayqueen...Yes there are two paths you can go by but in the long run, your still travelling on the road your on... from "Stairway to Heaven"'by Led Zepellin

Bill Hicks gives a very interesting perspective on the whole thing.

www.youtube.com...

Startling. Your lack of facts or distortion of them is amazing. First of all, Boleskine House is not a Castle. It has never been owned by Ozzy. It was owned by page until the 90's. It is not on the shores of 'lochness lake' there are no lakes in Scotland, only Lochs. I.e. Loch Ness.

Secondly that bit in TSRTS you talk of was filmed at one of Page's other houses in England. (the part with the red eyes) The part where he climbs the mountain in the dark to meet the hermit is the only part filmed at Boleskine.

There is an awful lot of bull# written about Crowley/ Page/ Boleskine House. Jimmy Page could perhaps be called a 'Crowleyite' but a Satan worshipper, hardly. The common mistake made by all muppets who dont know any different is to label Crowley as a 'Devil Worshipper' when he was anything but that. Crowley is partially responsible for the popularity of Wicca today. Which if you bother to do even the slightest research is certainly not 'Devil worship'. Usually the people who throw that kind of uninformed bull# around tend to be bible thumping religious types. Crowley was basically attempting to construct an alternate 'New Religion' without the outdated dogma and constraints of the conventional churches. In a way he kind of succeeded. I know an awful lot of people who now declare themselves Wiccans after strict Catholic upbringings.

As for Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin. I see Jimmy's interest in Crowley as mostly from the standpoint of a fan and collector. Crowley was one of Jimmy's heroes. Wouldnt any of you invest in buying up posessions of one of your heroes if you could afford it? I certainly would. Crowley was a remarkable bloke in many ways, even if some of his escapades were a wee bit questionable.

Ok Jimmy was a bit eccentric about Boleskine and I think he wanted to simply own it more than actually live there. I noticed something interesting a few years back on 'windows live local' which seemed to use late 80's aerial photos to make up their coverage whilst they were trying to compete with Google Earth when it was launched. You can actually still pick this out to this day on GE because their coverage is so out of date (a lot of Scottish coverage is blurry and from 2003, but microsoft did have a much clearer although monochrome view of this. In todays views it is obliterated. The whole gardens to the south west of the house is blatantly an elongated and very emphasised 'Zoso' spelled out by trees or hedgerows. I suppose it could be simulcara but it just seems a bit too convenient, that plus the fact those gardens dont appear on 1920's maps or 1940's aerial pictures and arent part of the origional house design. I think it was just Jimmy trying to leave his mark.

Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar.

Angus


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The castle was later sold to Ozzy Osbourn who refurnished it, but left some of the original decor. I believe it has since changed hands again, but I am not sure who owns it now.

Of all the band members Jimmy was the only one interested in ceremonial magik. The focus of worship was the writing and sexual rituals. They were of serious interest, much like a Pagan or modern witch. Witchcraft

Yes the castle sits upon a cliff over looking the Lochness lake. If you watch the movie "The Song Remains the Same" you will see a short clip of Jimmy sitting playing an instrument on the grassy shoreline of the Loch. He turns to the camera and his eyes are glowing red. Quite nice really.

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[edit on 18-12-2008 by angus1745]

Okay, I'll put in my tuppence's worth....

I have a bit to add concerning Zeppelin. My roommate Richard, 20 years ago, was head of security for Bill Graham Presents in San Francisco. Nice chap; got me free tickets to lots of concerts. He knew first hand what he was dealing with when he was looking after all of the big-name acts for Bill Graham's concerts, however.

Richard told me that most of the hype concerning big-name bands was just that: hype. All of the so-called "satanic" stuff was total BS- about every band but one. You guessed it- Led Zeppelin. And not every member of the band- just Jimmy.

Jimmy Page's clothes- the ones with the opium poppies & dragons- were all about his infamous love of heroin, which came from the Golden Triangle (that's East Asia, for the uninitiated). His secondary love affair- with black magic- stemmed partly from his fandom of Aleister Crowley (which even extended to a penchant for little girls, just like the Beast 666).

Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis was frequented long ago by many strange people- Jack Whiteside Parsons, the rocket scientist who blew himself to bits (literally) researching rocket fuels while trying to create a Moonchild for the OTO (some sort of reincarnated evil goddess), & the con-artist founder of Scientology, Ron Hubbard. Any student, as it were, of such groups & events will notice lots of connexions between some of the "rich & famous" & various nefarious crimes & activities- such as the Temple of Astarte & the Process groups- as well as Charles Manson's "Family"- all of them satanic.

Back to Jimmy. Richard said that the man's prediliction for black magic had rendered him all but useless for anything but playing guitar by 1987; he was always so zoned out on the "H" that one literally had to put him in an appropriate spot on stage when it was time to play. Sorry to all of the die-hard fans out there, but that is the price that some people have had to pay for fame. The worst devils are the vast majority of people who rule the entertainment industry (remember how in the movie "The Song Remains The Same" the way that Zep's manager, Peter Grant, is having an old-fashioned shootout with the record company moguls?). It's a metaphor for reality.

Finally, consider the two horrible deaths associated with the band- that of Robert Plant's innocent young son, Carac, & the unfortunate Jon Bonham. Sacrifices that someone thought necessary to force the cooperation of certain people, perhaps? Well may we wonder. No one will ever know for sure.

For any "witches" who take offense at what I've said, HAVE AT ME. So there. You'll get what you all richly deserve. Don't go after Richard for what I've said- if the truth hurts, you get to wear it- & deal with ME.

Satanism is the price of fame in many circles- especially those that make lots of $$$$. It is true that money cannot buy happiness.

A Curious Character

Even for a musical genius, Jimmy Page is an odd character. Here are some interesting facts about him.

• As a teenager, he used to hang outside the local mental hospital, trying to pick up girls.
  
  
• His former bandmate Chris Dreja confirms that he enjoyed strange sexual relationships with strange women.
  
  
• One of them, Pamela des Barres, has claimed he liked to travel with a suitcase full of whips. Hoping to scotch the Satanism rumours, she once told a reporter that Jimmy 'smelled divine'.
  
  
• He is a legendary tightwad, even worse than his friend Mick Jagger. A hostesses who worked aboard the Zeppelin tour jet in the Seventies told reporters how she and her colleagues had collected a small fortune in rolled-up hundred-dollar bills left lying around the cabin of the aircraft. Page, when told of this, commented 'well, she never got any of mine'.
  
  
• His estranged collaborator, Kenneth Anger, is on record as saying that Page's problems all stem from the fact that he is simultaneously a millionaire and a miser.
  
  
• From somewhat before the recording of Presence and for well into the 1980s, he appears to have had a fairly serious problem involving heroin and banana daiquiris (the latter being almost his only nourishment at the time).
  
  
• Some time during that period, his doctor gave him only a few months to live.
  
  
• Despite this, he has always maintained that drugs were an essential part of his enjoyment of life, creative process and the experience of Led Zeppelin.
  
  
• Friends and associates agree; despite living the life of a libertine, Jimmy Page, at least until the death of John Bonham, never appeared to lose control or direction of his life and career. His campaign to conquer the world with Led Zeppelin was Napoleonically planned and Napoleonically executed. As many of his associates testify, he had it all worked out.
  
  
• Despite his stupendous intake of drugs and alcohol, the kinky sex and the strange, violence-hedged milieu he inhabited with Led Zeppelin, he is famed for never losing control of himself or misbehaving, even at the wildest orgies; his modus operandi to to appreciate and encourage the misbehaviour of others instead. Once, at a party where everyone was being thrown into the pool, Page, elegantly clad in his ZoSo suit, took the initiative and walked into the pool rather than suffer the indignity of being chucked into it.
  
  
• His children have been told they must make it in the world from scratch just like he did. No handouts will be forthcoming, at least not while Dad's still above ground.

Is Jimmy Page a Satanist, then? I hope not; in fact, I would be deeply disappointed to learn the man had a religious side at all. He may have been credulous enough, in his youth, to experiment with magic and ritual, but I'm sure he grew out of it pretty fast. The Crowley connection probably has as much to do with his well-known love of artistic and cultural Victoriana as with any real conviction about the spiritual side of things. Besides, as Jadette says, it makes for a great image.

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There is quite a bit of truth and facts available about Led Zepplin and the devil worshipping. It is all true. The music being embedded with messages is true as well. I grew up on Led Zepplin though, and I really don't care what drove them, I liked it! Still do.

Originally posted by Deianera
Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis was frequented long ago by many strange people- Jack Whiteside Parsons, the rocket scientist who blew himself to bits (literally) researching rocket fuels while trying to create a Moonchild for the OTO (some sort of reincarnated evil goddess), & the con-artist founder of Scientology, Ron Hubbard. Any student, as it were, of such groups & events will notice lots of connexions between some of the "rich & famous" & various nefarious crimes & activities- such as the Temple of Astarte & the Process groups- as well as Charles Manson's "Family"- all of them satanic.
For any "witches" who take offense at what I've said, HAVE AT ME. So there. You'll get what you all richly deserve. Don't go after Richard for what I've said- if the truth hurts, you get to wear it- & deal with ME.

Satanism is the price of fame in many circles- especially those that make lots of $$$$. It is true that money cannot buy happiness.

Care to cite references? Should be easy enough if it is fact as you claim.

Particularly since I know the above is incorrect and that puts the validity of the whole statement into question.



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Sorry to go a bit off topic, but...

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I do not think that anyone can touch Page's ingeneous use of non-standard tunings.

Davey Graham. Martin Carthy. Bert Jansch. Ry Cooder.

And BlackOPs719 is right about one thing: of all the guitar gods, Jimmy Page is by far the sloppiest. He murders his own music sometimes.

But let us not forget that it is his music.

Let us not forget, also, the eloquent blending of major and minor pentatonics in the solo of Black Dog, the Dionysian glissandi on In My Time of Dying, the use of Myxolydian modes throughout the Zeppelin oeuvre (such as in the riff of Nobody's Fault But Mine), the elegant major-key melodic inspiration of the multitracked ascending phrase that hallmarks In The Light and the bottomless bag of authentic rockabilly licks into which the man delves at will. And, yes indeed, his use of altered tunings, too: the steady chromatic ascension of Kashmir, the recondite beauties of The Rain Song and those amazing acoustic parts on every Led Zeppelin album - which were what first led me, as they have led many a guitarist, to experiment with altered tunings myself.

Then, let's not forget that Page sometimes played (and plays) out of tune on purpose. The most obvious example is the famous riff of A Whole Lotta Love. You know: dit-dah dit-dah dah. The notes are B-D B-D E. The D notes are double-stopped: Page plays them simultaneously on the fourth string (open) and the fifth string (at the fifth fret) but bends the fretted string about a quarter-tone above the open one. The resulting harshness is precisely what gives the riff its unbelievable heaviosity. If you're a guitarist, try if for yourself. Even on acoustic guitar it sounds heavy.

And now, having said all that, let it also be said that Page's real strengths are not his lead skills but his riffs, built on thunderous tones and a unique sense of timing, as well as his vast sonic palette and, above all, his production skills, which are what really created Led Zeppelin.

On record, Jimmy Page has played perhaps two solos that will be remembered by the ages: the one on Since I've Been Loving You, in which he borrows harmonic and melodic minor tonalities to augment the basic blues scale and mimics brilliantly Robert Plant's phrasing in the verse that precedes the solo; and the final guitar break on his masterpiece, Achilles Last Stand, a composition even Beethoven in a symphonic mood not have been ashamed to call his own.