That Led Zepplin Devil Worship Discussion

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Jadette
Occultism doesn't = Satanism.

True. And that's part of the discussion. The urban legend - or not urban legend - is that Led Zepplin was into devil worship and that it was pushed through their music.

The fact that they were into the occult is well established.

Now we are trying to figure out - debunk or verify - the urban legend about the devil worship. To do that we have to see how devoted they were to Crowley and what exactly Crowley believed. And we have to see if there are channels other then Crowley that they followed.

We have come up with quotes from Crowley stating that he wanted to be the devils 'Chief of Staff'. That's not worship but that's definately working for, and doing the bididng of, the devil.

We have come up with Page being a devotee of Crowley but also Page saying that he was into Magick and not devil worship. So I don't know if Page fully understood Crowleys 'religion' or motivation.

I'm sure that part of this was a marketing ploy by the band to sell more albums to the rebellious youth of the 1970s. But it went further then just that for Page. Definately much further.

I suppose I should have elaborated more. I read the thread entirely, and just felt that it must be made clear that Crowley was not a Satanist. Just because he said (once?) that he wanted to be the Devil's Chief of Staff doesn't mean he subscribed to a Christian world view and believed in 'the devil'.

Here's a good quote by On Allomai to help make this clear:

The erroneous popular idea of equating Aleister Crowley with Satanism is based, partially, on his own tendency to hyperbole and rebellion against (most) expressions of bourgeois morality--and the satanic myth is also perpetuated by Establishment apologists who simply can not tolerate the basic insistence on INDIVIDUAL SPIRITUAL FREEDOM proclaimed in Crowley's vision of Scientific Illuminism....

How about a quote from Crowley himself?

The devil does not exist. It is a false name invented by the Black Brothers to imply a Unity in their ignorant muddle of dispersions. A devil who had unity would be a God. ["The Devil" is, historically, the God of any people that one personally dislikes....]

ALEISTER CROWLEY
Liber ABA (Book 4): Magick; Part III: Magick in Theory & Practice; Cap. XXI: Of Black Magick; of Pacts with the Devil; of the Main Types of the Operations of Magick Art; of Necromancy; and of the Powers of the Sphinx

How about another?

This "Devil" is called Satan or Shaitan, and regarded with horror by people who are ignorant of his formula, and, imagining themselves to be evil, accuse Nature herself of their own phantasmal crime. Satan is Saturn, Set, Abrasax, Adad, Adonis, Attis, Adam, Adonai, etc. The most serious charge against him is only that he is the Sun in the South. The Ancient Initiates, dwelling as they did in lands whose blood was the water of the Nile or the Euphrates, connected the South with life-withering heat, and cursed that quarter where the solar darts were deadliest. Even in the legend of Hiram, it is at high noon that he is stricken down and slain. Capricornus is moreover the sign which the Sun enters when he reaches his extreme Southern declination at the Winter Solstice, the season of the death of vegetation, for the folk of the Northern hemisphere. This gave them a second cause for cursing the south.... But to us, aware of astronomical facts, this antagonism to the South is a silly superstition which the accidents of their local conditions suggested to our animistic ancestors.

ALEISTER CROWLEY
Liber ABA (Book 4): Magick; Part III: Magick in Theory & Practice; Cap. V: The Formula of I.A.O.

Another quote, showing how he likes, as I said, to use the label to his own ends:

The men who are willing... to become the saviours of their country shall be called the Synagogue of Satan, so as to keep themselves from the friendship of the fools who mistake names for things.

ALEISTER CROWLEY
Thien Tao or the Synagogue of Satan, Sub Figura XLI

Okay, now let's move on to Jimmy Page.

Jimmy Page was indeed, very interested and involved in the Occult, in particular, ritual Magick. While the rest of the band dabbled and clearly was interested, to my knowledge none other than Jimmy could be called a true believer. I've always thought of Robert Plant as more neo-pagan and earthy than any sort of ritual magician.

The 1970s were an era where a lot of musicians explored various pagan beliefs.

As for Jimmy's sigil, it's from The Red Dragon and also called the Grand Grimoire. This can be found in various arcane texts such as 'Ars Magica Arteficii' (1557) by J Cardan, Grimoires et Rituels Magiques, authored by Francois Ribadeau Dumas, etc.






I'm positive that Jimmy understood Crowley and his intentions and beliefs and wasn't lying when he claimed that he(Jimmy) wasn't a Satanist. I'm also positive that Crowley wasn't a Satanist either. I hope that makes the point I was trying to make a little clearer. Sorry for the confusion.

Originally posted by asmeone2
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

THE BLACK CROWES - it was originally named Mr. Crowe's Garden, after a favorite children's book. They sang under that name until they signed with Def American Records in 1989. They renamed themselves at the suggestion of a producer.

Let's keep this straight:

Satanism/=Crowleyana/=Wicca

i'm not necessarily a big fan of wicca, but let's really keep this straight. wicca has nothing to do with satanism.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Read here

This is REALLY interesting. This was written by a reporter who traveled with Led Zepplin during their last American tour. He repeats - word for word - his conversations with Jimmy Page, as well as observations of the band's behavior.

Major drinking. Cussing all over the place. Forgotten lyrics.
Talk of the tour being 'tragic'. (nowadays it was called 'cursed').

Nothing about satanism or anything like that.
It doesn't mean there wasn't any.
But this person traveled with the band.
It's a good window into what was going on with the band at the time.

Emphasis added.

Ah, the joy of ATS logic. A reliable witness says he didn't see anything. Of the hundreds of stage hands, or hundreds of thousands of fans who saw the live concerts, none has come forward saying that THEY saw anything. Yet you still want to put it out there that

During Led Zepplin concerts, Page would do Crowleys Devil Worship rituals without the crowd knowning.

Amazing.

One would think he'd be a bit more busy, I don't know, playing guitar maybe?

As an avid fan of architecture, and Led Zeppelin, I am curious about the floor plan of the Crowley house. As some of us know, architecture and floor plans can be set up in a way that they have some special meaning. You see it in old catholic churches (some form a cross), and some say you see it in Masonic "influenced" buildings and city layouts.

Is the architecture/floorplan of the Crowley house amongst this group? Does it's layout signify anything?

Jimmy Page and formerly, A.Crowley's home -

Boleskine House, Loch Ness, Scotland:

reply to post by Jadette
Thank you very much!

Are there any practicing devil worshipers, or people knowledgeable in floor plans and their hidden meanings, that can take a look at the floor plan, and come to a conclusion, if any?

reply to post by FlyersFan


The home of Crowley was purchased by Page and Jimmy had a satanic decorator come in and deck out the home in goat skulls, dark sculpture, candles, nice large red Persian carpets, also many pentagrams with Crowley's seal and other seals upon them. The bedroom was something to behold. He had many nights in that room with much younger "girls" and from what I have heard it was quite a dark room and a series of fetish-kinky satanic sexual rituals took place.

The castle was later sold to Ozzy Osbourn who refurnished it, but left some of the original decor. I believe it has since changed hands again, but I am not sure who owns it now.

Most of the music as you know was based on J.R.R. Tolkens work and writings. They also stole and plagerized the orginal writer of the music they produced on their first works, like Stairway to Heaven. The original writer has come forward and has demanded compensation from their work.

Of all the band members Jimmy was the only one interested in ceremonial magik. The focus of worship was the writing and sexual rituals. They were of serious interest, much like a Pagan or modern witch. Witchcraft

Crowley believed that indeed the pen was mightier than the sword, and that the dark symbolism and the writes held more power than anything in this World. Jimmy Page believed this very strongly as well and felt this power could be acheived and accomplished through the Zeppelin music, and if you look at the strength of it even today, I would say he succeeded.

Yes the castle sits upon a cliff over looking the Lochness lake. If you watch the movie "The Song Remains the Same" you will see a short clip of Jimmy sitting playing an instrument on the grassy shoreline of the Loch. He turns to the camera and his eyes are glowing red. Quite nice really.

Anyhow, I thought I would share some of what I know. Cheers



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that's a really interesting idea. i'd like to knnow as well.

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First we have to figure out if Crowly actually built the house and designed it, or just bought it as is.

Couldn't find much about the floor plans..

But it seems page no longer lives there.

In 1971 the house was bought by Jimmy Page of the band Led Zeppelin. Page was obsessed with Crowley and the house once again became home to reputed black masses and rituals. In the 1990’s the house was purchased by the MacGillivrays who remained there until shortly after Ronald MacGillivray’s death in 2002. The house is currently in private ownership and their privacy should be respected. Below the house, and just over the B852 road, lies the Boleskine burial ground, the burial place of the Fraser Clan. There once stood a medieval church here, now long since disappeared, the only building remaining being a small mort-house. A mort-house was a mortuary where the coffined body would lay under guard until such time as it was of no use to body snatchers!

SOURCE

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Well, old Crowley had a lot to do with the Montauk Project also, and he did the most amazing ritual designed to stop the Nazi invasion of England, plus another ritual called the "Babylon Working." Alister got his wisdom and knowledge from an alien being, not Satan, who was made up long ago by the Holy Roman Church. After all, who would go to church and give out their money is there was nothing to fear? Even the God of the Bible is surely Enki, not some supreme being, but a Reptilian being from the planet Nibiru, and his grandson Marduk was to become the Devil. Never forget, MEN of the CHURCH wrote the Bible, not God.

Originally posted by arizonascott They also stole and plagerized the orginal writer of the music they produced on their first works, like Stairway to Heaven. The original writer has come forward and has demanded compensation from their work.

Not sure what your reference is on that, but as a great fan of the band 'Spirit', I submit the following item:

It has been suggested that the song's introduction bears a close resemblance to the 1968 instrumental "Taurus" by the group Spirit.
In the liner notes to the 1996 reissue of Spirit's debut album, songwriter Randy California writes:
"People always ask me why "Stairway to Heaven" sounds exactly like "Taurus", which was released two years earlier. I know Led Zeppelin also played "Fresh Garbage" in their live set. They opened up for us on their first American tour."

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 17-12-2008 by JohnnyCanuck]

I am a bit surprised that this has not been brought up yet by this crowd.

Giving some credence to this position is that John Todd has disappeared, and that is kind of suspicious. Industry insider, or fake?

He was def a bit weird, but has some insights into rock music and the Illuminati connection.....just a coinkydink??

What do you think?

Intersting anyway:


www.youtube.com...

There are longer versions.

Just found this, pardon the perspective but it does discuss relevant ideas:

www.youtube.com...


[edit on 17-12-2008 by Tinkabit]

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It would not surprise me. LZ got busted for stealing several times, most notably from ripping their song "Boogie with Stu" from Richy Valen's "OOh m y head":




The drums in Rock and Roll are almost whack for whack off of Little Richard's "Keep A Knockin:"

Here is Spirit's Taurus. Scroll to about .40:

Full moon, pentagram, witches, master to the temple room, conjure spells, demons......could he make this stuff up????

More interstingly, is it related to Crowley?

Originally posted by JoshNorton
A reliable witness says he didn't see anything. Yet you still want to put it out there that ....

Don't get uptight there Josh ... I wasn't insinuating anything.
I'm just reporting what has been said. Mostly by the fans.
I don't have a horse in this race. (I don't know if there is even a 'race' at all)

Originally posted by Jadette
Sorry for the confusion.

Don't be sorry for anything. That was an excellent post Jadette.
Lots of great info.

Originally posted by autowrench
Well, old Crowley had a lot to do with the Montauk Project

HOLY SMOKES! You tickled my brain so I just googled that.
I didn't know that there was any kind of connection at all. WOW!

For those interested - Here's a link with some info

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Still, some very good rockers they are, a little Led for lunch never hurt anyone. And there are a lot of musical people Who are Wiccans, case in point:


If you don't believe me, listen to all of the references to the Goddess in rock music. I hear it all the time. Like this old timer, by a never forgotten artist....

The house was built by someone else, Archibald Fraser, in the late 18th century. So Crowley had nothing to do with the layout of the place. However, he did purchase it for specific reasons in order to perform the magick ritual of Abra-Melin which takes many months to complete.

"The house is a long low building. I set apart the south-western half for my work. The largest room has a bow window and here I made my door and constructed the terrace and lodge. In side the room I set up my oratory proper. This was a wooden structure, lined in part with the big mirrors which I brought from London." A.C.

Here's a nice satellite picture of the grounds.

virtualglobetrotting.com...

Oh, and, back to Jimmy Page again, did you know he didn't spend much time at all there even though he owned the place for nearly twenty years?