Nothing in chemtrails... yeahhh riiiiight...Photos

I see the Die hard believers still are procrastinating.

Here's a couple of helpful sites for ya!

Soil sample kit



Air sampling unit



Edit: Thought I better help you guys out a bit more. I know what you're thinking "What are we going to do with our chemtrail evidence???"

Here's a couple of lists of places you can take your ground breaking samples.


State by State list of soil labs
Air quality consultants

Knock Yourselves Out!!







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*You are clearly Feigning ignorance of the vast amounts of relevant literature and research that is available.

Spraying Heavy Metals To Stop Global Warming


J.D. Aber and K.J. Nadelhoffer, "Nitrogen Saturation in Northern Forest Ecosystems." Bioscience, 39 (1989) pages

378-386

American Geophysical Union, "Jet contrails to be significant climate factor by 2050," AGU press release no. 99-19,

6/21/99

R.B. Ames and W.C. Malm, "Estimating the Contribution of the Mohave Coal-fired Power Plant Emissions to Atmospheric

Extinction at Grand Canyon National Park." In Visual Air Quality" Aerosols and Global Radiation Balance, Air and

Waste Management Association, Pittsburgh, Pa., 683-697, 1997.

Marcus Dalton, "Chemtrails Are Over Las Vegas." Las Vegas Tribune, vol. 7 Issue 3, 8/19/05

S.L. Baughcum, "Subsonic aircraft emission inventories, In:Atmospheric Effects of Aviation:First Report of the

Subsonic Assessment Project." NASA RP-1385, pp. 15-29, 1996

Bill Gallagher, "Chemical Aurora Keyhole Surveillance." Arizona Indymedia, May 2004

Laura Kelly, "Mysterious powder shrouds area." The Alpenhorn News, Feb. 2006

D.M. Hunten, "Residence Times of Aerosols and Gases in the Stratosphere." Geophysical Research Letters 2(1): 26-27,

1975

A.C. Mueller, "The Effects of Particulates from Solid Rocket Motors Fired in Space." Advances in Space Research 5

(2): 77-86, 1985.

U. Schumann, "In Situ Observations of Particles in Jet Aircraft Exhausts and Contrails for Different Sulfur-

Containing Fuels." Journal of Geographical Research, Vol. 101, Issue D3, 1996.

Weather mod. patent Numbers


6569393-5/27/03-Method and Device for Cleaning the Atmosphere.
6520425-2/18/03-Process and Apparatus for the Production and aerial dispersion of Nanofibers.
6412416-7/2/02-Propellant-Based Aerosol Generation Devices and Method.
6315213-11/13/01-Method of Modifying Weather.
6263744-7/24/01-Automated Mobility-Classified-Aerosol Detector.
6056203-5/2/00-Method and Apparatus for Modifying Supercooled Clouds.
6030506-2/29/00-Preparation of Independently Generated Highly Reactive Chemical Species.
5984239-11/16/99-Weather Modification by Artificial Satellite.
5762298-6/9/98-Use of Artificial Satellites in Earth Orbits Adaptively to Modify the Effect that Solar Radiation

Would Otherwise Have on Earth's Weather.
5628455-5/13/97-Method and Apparatus for Modification of Supercooled Fog.
5286979-2/15/94-Process for Absorbing Ultraviolet Radiation Using Dispersed Melanin.
5104069-4/114/92-Apparatus and Method for Ejecting Matter from an Aircraft.
5038664-8/13/94-Method for Producing a Shell of Relativisitic Particles at an Altitude Above the Earth's Surface.
4999637-3/12/91-Creation of Artificial Ionization Clouds Above the Earth.
4873928-10/17/89-Nuclear-Sized Explosions without Radiation.
4686605-8/11/87-Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, Ionosphere, and/or Magnetosphere


[edit on 17-11-2008 by TruthTellist]

Chemtrails are likely a result of the NATO Aerosolized Defense Grid That was implemented in the late 1990’s. It is for our own good and will serve us well in case of a nuclear exchange with a nuclear-armed nation which is not aligned with NATO.

Countries who have recently joined NATO are also being subjected to this grid and much of the citizenry are not happy about it; Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. As the others just before (Hungary, Poland and Czech Republic in 1999, East-Germany in 1990) are all obligated to follow certain policies and allowing the defense grid to be applied in their aerospace. The citizenry is not consulted and does not have a say in these type of operations, nor are the told of the negative health effects or environmental effects - such 'side-effects' being the end result of a classified operation...

When a country joins NATO - you will see that their citizenry quickly becomes aware of the chemtrail phenomenon and will begin to form groups to inform others and protest the spraying. These groups often lobby politicians aswell as create websites and leaflets to inform others.

It is likely that the planes spraying the chemicals that facilitate the operation of the NATO Aerosolized Defense Grid are from other NATO countries. The planes that create chemtrails are likely not piloted by members belonging to the military of the country over which they are applying the Grid. This ensures a certain level of detachment from the crime being committed.

The operations appear to be highly classified, and pilots told their actions are benevolent - it is likely they are told they are “Saving the environment” or something to that effect. I have no doubt they would face immediate court martial if they were to leak any data pertaining to this man-made phenomenon.

here are some interesting patents that will indicate some of the military uses for chemtrails.

www.freepatentsonline.com...

-This technology is used to amplify and increase the effectiveness of this technology:

www.patentstorm.us...

-this weapons system’s ability to detect and destroy an object is vastly increased with heavy metal particulate in the air.

The proof is there for all to see.

“Experts” are often conveniently on hand to help you deny the reality and to sideline and derail people who have pertinent and important information to release concerning the man-made, and dangerous chemtrail phenomenon. Everyone is an 'expert' on the internet

The reality is so frightening that having an ‘accredited’ expert on hand to create a meme of plausible deniability is actually an effective way of causing people to dismiss the chemtrail phenomenon. (You will likely notice their 'convenient' presence whenever the chemtrail phenomenon is being discussed, you will also notice how often they remind the members of their 'credentials' and 'expertise in the field' - some going so far as to register there names as "Meteorologist" and "NZWeatherman")

But then you take a look at the evidence, and the malevolent intent becomes self-evident. planes (either NATO or Private) are spraying something on the densely populated areas in the countries that are a part of NATO.

*Currently, there are NO LAWS against or even regarding weather modification in North America.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by TruthTellist]

I find myself, on ATS, noticing certain subjects that I happen to have knowledge of, and wishing to quash rampant and INCORRECT speculation regarding these subjects.

I detected a sense of 'sarcasm' in the OP's headline, on this thread. This disturbs me; because, as many times as intelligent, studied people come along to dispute these 'theories', more seem to show up to support what are, in essence, illogical notions.

Make no mistake, I have no agenda, except the truth (which, after all, 'defies ignorance')

Whenever 'chemtrails' crop up in these discussions, there is inevitibly the assertion that commercial airliners are 'spraying'. Well, I have some experience in the field and can categorically dispel any of those notions.

Having said that -- IF (big 'if'..) it is a military OP, then it is out of my sphere of knowledge.

However, my dedication to science, and scientific knowledge compel me to repeat: Spraying at the altitudes contended by 'chemtrail' believers is pointless. Anyone with a few brain cells that they can rub together would understand that the IMMENSITY of the planet Earth is such that nothing man-made would have such an effect as claimed.

Sure, the cumulative effects of over a century of coal-burning and other polluting factories, which of course, or situated on the GROUND, can contribute to global-wide pollution.

But, Mother Nature herself can invict far dreater damage, in just a few hours!!! I'm talking about volcanoes....millions of metric tons of soot and ash can be spewed from just one volcano.

Do the math, and try to calculate how many airplanes would be needed to carry the same amount of material into the air!

Finally....IF there were some great 'conspiracy' to poison the Planet, it would be sprayed systematically, from lower altitudes (such as crop dusting, currently employed) is.

reply to post by TruthTellist


TT...WHY would NATO member Nations 'spray' on their own citizens?

Do you not see the illogic?

Ok, Ok, cite those reports....likely 'theoritical', ever thought of that possiblilty?

Here's the rub, certainly the advocates of this crazy idea never bother to reveal; the entire idea is impractical, as has been pointed out repeatedly, because of the vagaries of the upper atmosphere and wind patterns.

Even at 10,000 feet altitude, above the USA (not in 'mountainous' areas, of course) winds can vary wildly.

For clarity's sake, know that the 50 States of America use a common altitude of 18,000 feet to switch from QNH to Standard 29.92 'Flight Level' altimeter settings....and this is because of Alaska, and Mt. McKinley. Just to keep it 'standard'....

In Great Britain, in comparison, the altitude for switchover is FL40 (4000 feet). Each Country is different, depending on possible terrain hazard elevations.....

Chemtrail Patents, with links to the actual documents:

*I chose only examples that have been used for commercial and government applications, many of the technologies have multiple uses, which is stated in the Patent's documents I have linked to and labeled - respectively and for your convenience.

Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere:

United States Patent 4,686,605 / Eastlund / August 11, 1987
164.195.100.11...&RS=PN/4686605
A method and apparatus for altering at least one selected region which normally exists above the earth's surface. The region is excited by electron cyclotron resonance heating to thereby increase its charged particle density. In one embodiment, circularly polarized electromagnetic radiation is transmitted upward in a direction substantially parallel to and along a field line which extends through the region of plasma to be altered. The radiation is transmitted at a frequency which excites electron cyclotron resonance to heat and accelerate the charged particles. This increase in energy can cause ionization of neutral particles which are then absorbed as part of the region thereby increasing the charged particle density of the region.

Method of modifying weather:

United States Patent 6,315,213 / Cordani / November 13, 2001
164.195.100.11...&RS=PN/6315213
A method for artificially modifying the weather by seeding rain clouds of a storm with suitable cross-linked aqueous polymer. The polymer is dispersed into the cloud and the wind of the storm agitates the mixture causing the polymer to absorb the rain. This reaction forms a gelatinous substance which precipitate to the surface below. Thus, diminishing the clouds ability to rain.
Process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation using dispersed melanin

Method for Blocking Ultraviolet light via aerially dispersed aerosolized medium:

United States Patent / 5,286,979 / Berliner / February 15, 1994
164.195.100.11...&RS=PN/5286979
This invention is a process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation in the atmosphere by dispersing melanin, its analogs, or derivatives into the atmosphere. By appropriate choice of melanin composition, size of melanin dispersoids, and their concentration, the melanin will absorb some quantity of ultraviolet radiation and thereby lessen its overall effect on the critters who would normally absorb such radiation.

Liquid atomizing apparatus for aerial spraying:

United States Patent / 4,948,050 / Picot / August 14, 1990
patft.uspto.gov...&RS=PN/4948050
A rotary liquid spray atomizer for aerial spraying is driven by a variable speed motor, driven in turn by power from a variable speed AC generator. The generator is driven from a power take-off from the engine of the spraying aircraft, a drive assembly includes a device for controlling the speed of the generator relative to the speed of the engine. The particularly convenient drive assembly between the generator and the power take-off is a hydraulic motor, which drives the generator, driven by a hydraulic pump driven from the power take-off. The speed of the hydraulic motor can be controllably varied. Conveniently the AC motor is a synchronous motor.

Laminar microjet atomizer and method of aerial spraying of liquids:

United States Patent / 4,412,654 Yates / November 1, 1983
patft.uspto.gov...&RS=PN/4412654
A laminar microjet atomizer and method of aerial spraying involve the use of a streamlined body having a slot in the trailing edge thereof to afford a quiescent zone within the wing and into which liquid for spraying is introduced. The liquid flows from a source through a small diameter orifice having a discharge end disposed in the quiet zone well upstream of the trailing edge. The liquid released into the quiet zone in the slot forms drops characteristic of laminar flow. Those drops then flow from the slot at the trailing edge of the streamlined body and discharge into the slipstream for free distribution.

ROCKET HAVING BARIUM RELEASE SYSTEM TO CREATE ION CLOUDS IN THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE:

United States Patent: - US3813875 / Issued/Filed Dates: June 4, 1974 / April 28, 1972
pub8.ezboard.com...=28.topic
A chemical system for releasing a good yield of free barium (Ba°) atoms and barium ions (BA+) to create ion clouds in the upper atmosphere and interplanetary space for the study of the geophysical properties of the medium. Inventor(s): Paine; Thomas O. Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration with respect to an invention of , Hampton, VA 23364

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reply to post by TruthTellist


You can find patents for all kinds of devices, most of which have never seen production. That is not evidence.

I'm still waiting for evidence that "chemtrails" exist.

reply to post by weedwhacker


People don't believe in this nonsense because it's logical to do so. That means it's going to be impossible to wake people from this delusional slumber through logic and evidence. They want to believe, they aren't lead to believe.

Paranoiacs seem to love this chemtrail stuff.

Call me a chemtrail beliver, I live close to DIA and I see these things al the time, when I was a kid I would see the contrails of jets but they always disapated so quickly, these crazy things will stay up in the sky for hours upon hours and spread out so big,This is real I don't know whats in that stuff but I doubt it's ice crystals I mean I was born in Colorado and I have never seen the sky'sas they are now ie diffreant colors,textures some days the clouds just don't look the same.I plan to take some pics and post them when I get a better camera.How many people is it gonna take that have seen these things and news reports before some explaination is reached ?

reply to post by TruthTellist


Sorry, TT...could not link to your first cited 'patent' idea.

However, based on the description that YOU wrote....do you honestly believe that some Human invention could ACTUALLY alter the Earth's magnetosphere, and ionosphere....at the same time, via one device?!?

Do you comprehend the enormity of such a task?

I don't think even Jean Luc Picard's 'Enterprise' could do anything like that, on a Global scale!!!

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alyosha...

You live near DIA (for those that don't know already, that refers to the Denver International Airport, the one that replaced Denver Stapleton some years ago).

alyosham when I was hired as a Commercial Airline Pilot back in 1983 I was initially based in Denver....had an apartment on the Mall Downtown, eventually bought a house out in Highlands Ranch...back when HR was the 'outskirts' of the city. I subsequently moved to Phoenix, now reside in the Washington, DC area.

alyosham, the area around Denver and Colorado Springs is centrally located such that most trans-contintental flights pass overhead. Frequently.

Since you see more than you may remember as a younger person is likely due to A) You're paying more attention and B) There are simply, more flights!!!

I can assure you that, in the Washington DC area, there are many, many overflights....the Eastern Seaboard is the busiest part of the Nation, in terms of air traffic. The routes out of the New York area to, for instance, Florida....VERY busy.

I KNOW where the Airways are....and I know something about meteorology...and I can see some days, when no Fronts are approaching, and the upper airmasses are relatively dry....no contrails!

Doesn't mean the airplanes aren't flying overhead, as they do every day....just means contrails don't form in the prevailing conditions.

You 'chemtrail' believers would be well-served to study some meteorology...learn about 'Cirrus' clouds, how they form, and what they consist of.

edit; misspelled 'Stapleton'




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The chemtrailing occurs primarily over populated areas.

Your strawman argument is too obvious. Nice try.

Humans only inhabit a fraction of the earth's surface - why spray the whole thing if you are only after the humans? *I'm a pilot and a meteorologist.

I'm a pilot and a meteorologist so you must believe me or prove that I am not a pilot or a meteorologist. Zepherian can vouch for my credentials, as can many other members - they have never been disputed, even by you... until now.

Chemtrails are real. Just because you don't think it would be fun to do doesn't mean someone else doesn't think that it would be a great idea to use aerosols as an unconventional weapon as part of a defense system.

My superior meteorological expertise lead me to form this conclusion. You have already asked for and received confirmation of my status as an accredited expert in this field, which you accepted as valid.

Humans only inhabit a fraction of earth's surface. This is the part that is sprayed

Don't bother arguing I have more expertise than you. I'm a pilot and a Meteorologist.

The debate is over. Consensus has been achieved.

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TT, if by 'populated' you mean boll weevils, then you are correct: The 'chemtrailing' occurs over populations of boll weevils....it's known as 'cropdusting'.

TT, please explain to me WHY, as an airline pilot, I continually saw 'trails' behind airplanes out over the Atlantic Ocean....and the Pacific Ocean??

And, yes, your sarcasm was not lost on me...nor on any others who read these little diatribes.

edit...OK, sounding it out....assisination...no, it's two s's, then two s's again....like 'mississippi'....."assissination"....or, is it "asissination"???
Well...it's a hard word to spell, but y'all get my meaning!


Instead of engaging in your fantasy of 'character assination' via sarcasm, why not share with all of us? What are YOUR credentials????



[edit on 11/17/0808 by weedwhacker]

Anyone managed to find visual evidence of a chemtrail yet? Or explain how to tell a normal contrail from a chemtrail? No, thought not

But then, it's highly unlikely chemtrails would be visible from the ground. Unless they're comprised of frozen water .......

I actually took the time to go back to the first page, of this thread, posted by the OP.

What I saw was just more of the same! BALONEY TO TRY TO PERPETUATE this 'chemtrail' nonsense!'

Not sure which picture, (there were so many), but one is of a Boeing 767 with an OBVIOUS Photo-Shopped picture of some sort of 'trail' behind it....I've seen this SAME 'picture' except, I've seen it with "death-skulls" 'photo-shopped' in.....quite pathetic.....

The 'photo' I am referring to, is obvious....contrail do NOT drop below the airplane (except about 400- 500 feet)....this is one of the most obvious FAKE photos I've seen in a while!!!!!

Originally posted by TruthTellist
I'm a pilot and a meteorologist so you must believe me or prove that I am not a pilot or a meteorologist. Zepherian can vouch for my credentials, as can many other members - they have never been disputed, even by you... until now.

Sure thing...
What is the electronics box and where is it located on a commercial aircraft?
In what narrow body aircraft can you access the bins while in flight?
What mandatory piece of flight equipment is located in the last bin (tail) of many narrow body aircraft?
How many LBS of fuel do DC-9's take in their wing tanks?
Where is the air-start port located on a 737?
What is a bin-stretcher?


Can you answer any of those? I bet that WW can....

Edit to add:
I see that Zaphod is in this thread too, I know he can answer these as well.

[edit on 11/17/2008 by defcon5]

Originally posted by TruthTellist
I'm a pilot and a meteorologist so you must believe me or prove that I am not a pilot or a meteorologist. Zepherian can vouch for my credentials, as can many other members - they have never been disputed, even by you... until now.

As well as defcons questions, I have some of my own

What are the 9 main cloud types and their sub-genus'?

Name the models used by NOAA, the Japan Met agency, the Bureau of Meteorology (Australia) and the European met agencies?

Explain the main mechanisms involved in creation of a cumulonimbus cloud?




[edit on 17/11/2008 by OzWeatherman]

reply to post by Chadwickus

Good one...

I don't think he can google up my questions, that is why I gave them.
I suspect that the meteorology ones will be easier to find though.



Edit: Stupid keyboard.

[edit on 11/17/2008 by defcon5]

reply to post by defcon5


Now you're all getting silly. Do you really think every qualified pilot / meteorologist could answer the questions you've posed in their relevant discipline.

What's the MPG of a Ford Capri MKIII?

What? You don't know? But you drive a car so you must know?

Pathetic, stupid banter. You're digging a huge hole for yourselves brought on by your own lack of evidence on a theory which is way less credible than the existence of leprechauns and fairies.
Posters here are telling you their qualifications in an effort to convince you that they know their area of work and which is relevant to this thread. All I see in return is jibes and childish responses with links to 'proof' that only reside on personal blogs written by those with equal paranoia.

Flame, I don't care. The fluffy earmuffs I borrowed from the reptilian commander of the Federation of Light ship in my back yard will protect me until 2012.