Nothing in chemtrails... yeahhh riiiiight...Photos

reply to post by Symbiote


Ahh I see, so people giving educated responses backed by actual facts, that have been tested and found true, is designed to appeal to Nascar fans and Fox News watchers.
Huh, then why do I see uneducated yokels on TV going, "I wuz lookin up, and i seens a plane with a white line behind it. Den I seens dust on my truck and some spiderwebs, and that there is proof theys doin somethin to us. They be sprayin me!"
Whoops. Seems to me you got the crowds wrong. (Though no offense to real NASCAR fans or Fox News watchers).
I guess the NASCAR/Fox TV crowd must be pretty intelligent to be able to comprehend meteorology and use common sense, if that is what you are implying. Too bad chemtrailers aren't as intelligent to be able to the same.

You see, normal educated folks see this chemtrail nonsense as what it is: nonsense. Uneducated people see a white line in the sky and jump up and down hollerin and screamin about poison being sprayed by airplanes. But when asked to provide some sort of proof, its always another picture of a contrail. So, to educated people, the "proof' of chemtrails is very, VERY thin. And after scanning all the pages of this debate, it still holds true. The only ones with the actual proof are the debunkers. As for the chemtrailers, they believe that a picture of a contrail and claiming its a chemtrail is proof enough. Sorry folks, intelligent people do not behave this way.

For fun, what if I were to show you a picture of a regular car? Now I claim that it is in fact a Transformer in disguise. What will you say? After all I took the picture, and it LOOKs like a car, but I say its a Transformer. Prove me wrong.

[edit on 11/15/2008 by GenRadek]

Originally posted by GenRadek
You see, normal educated folks see this chemtrail nonsense as what it is: nonsense. Uneducated people see a white line in the sky and jump up and down hollerin and screamin about poison being sprayed by airplanes. But when asked to provide some sort of proof, its always another picture of a contrail.

I see, so you proclaim that Smart people don't believe in chemtrails and Stupid people do!

OKay then. It's black and white people, GenRadek said so!

reply to post by interestedalways


Well, if people who are "smart" dismiss any intelligent reasoning put forth by other intelligent people, and don't even consider the correct explanation, and view it as disinfo, what does that make them?

"Oh I am smart, but I still believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth AND the Earth is flat. Anyone else who disagrees with me is a disinfo agent, and any rational explanation is nothing more than disinfo being planted by those that are dumber than me."

It does say something about the intel level of the person if that person only shows pictures of what are nothing more than contrails, and dismissing any rational clams of why it is not and explanations on why that occurs. And intelligent person would understand and research it themselves and see why what they claim is wrong. BUT if you are just going to screech on and on about chemtrails and any explanation that counter chemtrails as disinfo, well......

I never said you can't believe in it and those that believe are stupid. Its just that if you are so convinced that they are really chemtrails, provide some credible proof of it, NOT show a picture of a contrail and claim it to be a chemtrail and don't go out and clam disinfo on those that disprove your proof with facts.

[edit on 11/15/2008 by GenRadek]

reply to post by GenRadek


You can't be smart with the list of friends you have my friend.

You like to "debunking 9/11, and also the chemtrail/contrail debate". on your profile. Enough said about you.

I truly wish people would just block out these type of "professional debunkers" and stay with the topic, and they are so professional at it they tend to turn the topic away from itself.

These people do it frequently. Ferociously. To them I say go away your opinions are just that. Opinions. Get a clue, we are on to you.

The intelligent, questioning, caring people on this thread, you guys ROCK!



Chemtrails are real. Debunkers are unreal.

Big up to ya!

wZn

reply to post by GenRadek


It seems the library of information provided within the posts here managed to slip right by you.

You assume a lot here with a few of us. Your posts reflect a one sided consideration. Who's smart?

[edit on 15-11-2008 by Witness2008]

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


You are correct my friend. This thread has seen enough derailment.

reply to post by Witness2008


Ahh yes, what library pray tell? Because as I said before, saying its true doesnt make it so. Showing a picture of a contrail is not proof of chemtrails. Claiming you see stuff in the sky is not evidence. Ok I'll be reasonable, maybe I somehow overlooked it all. If you would be so kind to direct me to the posts that have this so called wealth of info and conclusive evidence of chemtrails, please do so. Unless we have to go over again what "proof" is.

Ok to be even more fair, for all of you, please show us the "debunkers" where we are wrong with any of our explanations, mathamatics, observations or facts. Please do so. I'm giving you a chance to back up your claims.

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


Debunkers are unreal? Despite the fact that they have actual scientific evidence to support their claims, and you have.... opinion?????


hmm. the smart v unsmart debate rages on

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


Once again, since when are facts, opinions? So its an opinion anything we said about meteorology and how the atmosphere behaves? I see. And us pointing out the massive holes in your theory or claims are all opinions? I see. Well hey, prove anything we said is wrong. Thats all.

reply to post by GenRadek


What's ok, is you can think that.

I do not think that.

Chemtrails ARE real.



wZn

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow

 

Debunkers are unreal? Despite the fact that they have actual scientific evidence to support their claims, and you have.... opinion?????


hmm. the smart v unsmart debate rages on

Scientific evidence changes as new information is revealed.

Today's science is tomorrow's history.

I bet 100 years ago "smart" people would laugh thier heads off if you spoke of sitting at a keyboard on a world wide web!



[edit on 15-11-2008 by interestedalways]

reply to post by bknapple32


I feel like I'm reliving the movie Idiocracy.

"Brawndo has electrolytes!"
"What are electrolytes?"
"It's what plants crave!"

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


Well then, provide some actual proof please.

Because so far, elves and pixies also exist!

reply to post by interestedalways


Well then, provide some proof that chemtrails are real.

Using your statement's logic, I can say that in fact our entire solar system is inside a giant Dyson Sphere and the entire observable universe is just an illusion! What don't believe me? Well, in 100 years from now, they will find out this is true and all of you doubters were wrong! HAHA!!

reply to post by GenRadek


Proof is the 1st post I made, perhaps you should look before you leap.

Also please stay on the topic, and stop trying to bait people into a fight, which not only takes away from the valiable information in that link in the 1st post, but also the numerous comments made by others here.



wZn

Everything on that linked has been debunked. Read posts from the poster meteorologist. he thoroughly debunked all of this.

reply to post by bknapple32


absolutely must disagree with you there.

wZn

Originally posted by GenRadek
reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow

 

Well then, provide some actual proof please.

Because so far, elves and pixies also exist!

According to NASA Elves, Sprites, and Gnomes all exist.

Google it!

Edit to apologize for the off topic post, Z!



[edit on 15-11-2008 by interestedalways]

In 2003 life expectancy in the USA was 77.6 years. The drop to 69.3 years since 2003, a drop of over 8 years is startling information. This period of time just happens to coincide with a time when there has been non-stop spraying of chemtrails coast to coast on an almost daily basis. There is plenty of scientific research proving that any increase in airborne particulates causes a corresponding increase in the death rate of the exposed population so imo the chemtrails are a glaringly obvious factor in this significant drop in expected life span.

Using the argument that because one thing has happened at the same time another happens, proves there is a link is a logic 101 fallacy. Assuming the fact is true, lets not count in chemicals in food, more dangers in the real world, poor healthcare system, 43 million uninsured people.

I originally found the life expectancy stats headlined in an article at Rense.com. The original article has since disappeared off the Rense site.

Whoops looks like there is NO verifiable proof of the life expectancy stat. Yet the website purports it as fact. And the kicker? It came from rense.... Need I say more.

Community after community continues to report that hundreds of people are becoming ill at the same time... following on the heels of heavy chemtrail activity... three physicians, all of whom asked not to be identified, have reported an increasing number of patients being seen for similar illness since December. Persistent hacking coughs, upper respiratory and intestinal distress, pneumonia, extreme fatigue, lethargy, dizziness, disorientation, splitting headaches, elevated arthritis symptoms and unexplainable nosebleeds are just a few of the symptoms these doctors have described. These doctors have said they are seeing larger numbers of patients with these complaints during or within days after the times that the physicians themselves have observed a larger number of chemtrails in the skies above mountain communities."

Again, we have no real source here. That uses the same fallacious argument. Just because one thing is happening doesn't mean there is a link. Using the same logic, I have ''chemtrails" here in vegas, I havent been sick in 5 years. Guess chemtrails are not real.

FINALLY... a serious article about chemtrails in a major city newspaper. A quote from the Las Vegas Tribune Chemtrail article by Marcus K. Dalton: "Especially disturbing for residents of heavily chemtrailed communities like Las Vegas is a "chemtrail sickness" associated with heavy spray days leaving many stricken people complaining of the "flu" and acute allergic reactions months after the flu season has ended. Upper and lower respiratory and gastrointestinal ailments remain unusually high in many spray areas, along with debilitating fatigue - and something even more worrying. What's going on? Thomas is convinced that we are under "deliberate biological attack" by agents known only to top military and government officials responsible for permitting continuing over-flights by unmarked spray aircraft." Full story at link: Chemtrails over Las Vegas

Again, the link does not exist. Again, no proof. Just a bunch of typed words. I live in Vegas, there is no such chatter of chemtrails. We live next to a military base/airport/ super secret area 51. Plenty of military jets flying around.

Of the first 6 links. None of them work. All except Rense.com..... Hmmm I wonder why. All the quotes are from the OP's link


[edit on 15-11-2008 by bknapple32]

90% + of pesticides end up other than where they were intended to go. This is why they are so easy to find all over the place. In animals and plants, in the soil, in the water supplies, in streams and ponds, you name it.

Now if pesticides are easily detected in soil and water samples, why is not this mystery chemical, which is supposedly dumped so heavily, it leaves a haze or clouds, and is spread over thousands of supposed square miles?

Why can't one of you answer my question? This would be global news, if it were true. If not by government mandated inspections (you may claim those are tampered with), then by the many commercial environmental companies that are paid good money to find ANY chemicals in water and soil, so that these companies are not heavily fined or even closed down.

Could you PLEASE explain that? Someone?