Nothing in chemtrails... yeahhh riiiiight...Photos

Witness 2008,

From your link I typed this into ex source

One method we propose would further maximize the technologies saftey and reliabity, by virtually eliminating the human element. To date much work has been done on the UAV's which can closely, (if not completely) match the capabilities of piloted aircraft. If this UAV technology were combined with stealth and carbon dust technology the result could be a UAV aircraft invisible to radar while enroute to the targeted area, which could spontaneously create carbon dust in any location.

However minimizing the number of UAV's required to complete the mission would depend upon the development of new and more efficiant system to prevent carbon dust by a follow on technology to the afterburner type jet engines previously mentioned.

In order to effectively use stealth technology, this system must also have the ablility to disperse carbon dust while minimizing or eliminating the UAV's infrared heat source.

Such a shame you can't copy and paste from this pdf. Lots of good info.


So what is the relevance of Carbon Dust???

reply to post by Witness2008


The Air Force wants to use weather as a weapon? That's a shocker! *sarcasm*

Ever since WWII the USAF (or then known as the Army Air Force) and allies have slightly "modified" the weather, usually breaking up fog over air strips so planes can land or take off safely. It does not surprise me one bit that the Air Force has thought about controlling weather. We did it during the 50s, 60s, and 70s. We tested on hurricanes, we caused heavy rains in Vietnam through cloud seeding. Other countries are doing it as well! What was China doing for its Olympics? Weather modification is NOT chemtrails. Not even close. That belongs in another topic altogether. This is about "chemtrails."

The whole point of this weather modification is obvious: you want to have control over the battlefield. This has been true since the first wars when capturing a hill to use an observation post, or digging a ditch to slow down an opponent. Now in the 21st Century, its logical that some are looking to other methods of controlling the battlefield. I'll bet there are even plans for orbital and suborbital battle scenarios, and maybe even in space itself.

Witness 2008,

From your link I typed this into ex source

One method we propose would further maximize the technologies saftey and reliabity, by virtually eliminating the human element. To date much work has been done on the UAV's which can closely, (if not completely) match the capabilities of piloted aircraft. If this UAV technology were combined with stealth and carbon dust technology the result could be a UAV aircraft invisible to radar while enroute to the targeted area, which could spontaneously create carbon dust in any location.

However minimizing the number of UAV's required to complete the mission would depend upon the development of new and more efficiant system to prevent carbon dust by a follow on technology to the afterburner type jet engines previously mentioned.

In order to effectively use stealth technology, this system must also have the ablility to disperse carbon dust while minimizing or eliminating the UAV's infrared heat source.

Such a shame you can't copy and paste from this pdf. Lots of good info.


So what is the relevance of Carbon Dust???

edit to say:

Ooops double post!

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reply to post by Phage


Combine what the air force was proposing in 96 with this www.rense.com... and all the other patents and evidence on this thread.

Originally posted by interestedalways
Witness 2008,

From your link I typed this into ex source

One method we propose would further maximize the technologies saftey and reliabity, by virtually eliminating the human element. To date much work has been done on the UAV's which can closely, (if not completely) match the capabilities of piloted aircraft. If this UAV technology were combined with stealth and carbon dust technology the result could be a UAV aircraft invisible to radar while enroute to the targeted area, which could spontaneously create carbon dust in any location.

However minimizing the number of UAV's required to complete the mission would depend upon the development of new and more efficiant system to prevent carbon dust by a follow on technology to the afterburner type jet engines previously mentioned.

In order to effectively use stealth technology, this system must also have the ablility to disperse carbon dust while minimizing or eliminating the UAV's infrared heat source.

Such a shame you can't copy and paste from this pdf. Lots of good info.


So what is the relevance of Carbon Dust???

If you are going to read and paste something, be sure to add all relevant issues. Your carbon dust relevance:

Can this type of precipitation enhancement technology have military applications? Yes, if the right conditions exist. For example, if we are fortunate enough to have a fairly large body of water available upwind from the targeted battlefield, carbon dust could be placed in the atmosphere over that water. Assuming the dynamics are supportive in the atmosphere, the rising saturated air will eventually form clouds and rainshowers downwind over the land.5
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Numerous dispersal techniques have already been studied, but the most convenient, safe, and cost-effective method discussed is the use of
afterburner-type jet engines to generate carbon particles while flying through the targeted air. This method is based on injection of liquid hydrocarbon fuel into the afterburner’s combustion gases. This direct generation method was found to be more desirable than another plausible method (i.e., the transport of large quantities of
previously produced and properly sized carbon dust to the desired altitude).

Ahhh! After reading the said paragraphs, apparently its about precipitation enhancement. In layman terms: cloud seeding! And the best way of producing carbon particles is by using (drumroll please) afterburners! You know, this:



And this is sinister.... how?

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reply to post by GenRadek



Did you miss this part?

If this UAV technology were combined with stealth and carbon dust technology the result could be a UAV aircraft invisible to radar while enroute to the targeted area, which could spontaneously create carbon dust in any location.


I don't think the part about being invisible to radar is about cloud seeding, do you?

CAUTION; avoid inhalation of excessive carbon dust. No problems are known to be associated in handling this material, however dust may contain greater than 1.0% silica (quartz). Long term inhalation of high dust concentration can lead to respiratory impairment. Use forced ventilation or a dust mask when necessary for protection against airborne dust exposure. Wet activated carbon preferentially adsorbs oxygen from air. Use appropriate work and safety practices for low oxygen environments when entering vessels and confined areas.

www.clearcreeksystems.com...



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reply to post by interestedalways


I am now researching the make up of the carbon dust and will post more later. This Rense article can get us started www.rense.com...

I do not get how flippant some can be over such serious matters as weather manipulation and heating of our ionosphere. It's kind of creepy.

reply to post by Witness2008

The rain water tested in Redwood Valley shows too much barium. Barium is sprayed to facilitate the U.S. Military experimental HAARP program. They conducted a test in Ukiah February 27th at 6 p.m. I saw it and there were also other witnesses to this test. There is also now too much black carbon dust in the local lakes. The local lakes were used by the jets to create fake cloud cover by spraying black carbon.

Just plucked this tidbit from the Rense article.

Thanks!

The U.S. Air Force document, "Weather As a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" explains how they use black carbon dust to create fake clouds. Unfortunately, the black carbon dust does fall down and it is poisoning the water, soil and also harming the plants as the black carbon dust is hydroscopic (generates too much heat and pulls out moisture).

Congressman Kucinich of Ohio wrote H.R. 2977 sec 7 to ban chemtrail activity by the U.S. Military. He would not have written such a bill this past year if chemtrails did not exist. Mr. Wolbach states that what goes up does not necessarily have to come down anytime soon. Well, I see the stuff falling in the air- it creates a thick haze and you can smell it so it is obviously falling down

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reply to post by interestedalways


It is appreciated. I am working with a temperamental computer that does not let me keep more than one window open at a time...so everyone just gets the link.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
I just don't buy it.


What would be the point?

Anything which is associated with harm to humans could be accomplished much easier and a lot less elaborate than this.


So if it is indeed something more than vapor trails, what would be the point?

I just don't buy it.

not getting caught? doing the damage to the point where even if they DO get caught the damage is already done... over population I should think... but yah I got nothin lol

Originally posted by interestedalways
reply to post by GenRadek

 

Did you miss this part?

If this UAV technology were combined with stealth and carbon dust technology the result could be a UAV aircraft invisible to radar while enroute to the targeted area, which could spontaneously create carbon dust in any location.


I don't think the part about being invisible to radar is about cloud seeding, do you?

The statement is about using stealthy UAV's to get to the desired location undetected in order to deliver carbon for the purpose of cloud seeding. Not using carbon dust for stealth.

reply to post by Phage



Why does it need to be invisible to radar unless it is being used as a weapon?

Originally posted by interestedalways
reply to post by GenRadek

 

Did you miss this part?

If this UAV technology were combined with stealth and carbon dust technology the result could be a UAV aircraft invisible to radar while enroute to the targeted area, which could spontaneously create carbon dust in any location.


I don't think the part about being invisible to radar is about cloud seeding, do you?

CAUTION; avoid inhalation of excessive carbon dust. No problems are known to be associated in handling this material, however dust may contain greater than 1.0% silica (quartz). Long term inhalation of high dust concentration can lead to respiratory impairment. Use forced ventilation or a dust mask when necessary for protection against airborne dust exposure. Wet activated carbon preferentially adsorbs oxygen from air. Use appropriate work and safety practices for low oxygen environments when entering vessels and confined areas.

www.clearcreeksystems.com...



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Apparently, you are having a little trouble understanding what is being said here. The paragraphs are about precipitation enhancement. I hope you understand what that phrase means. Now then reading the rest of this it also states that a good way of doing this is using UAVs to go and produce "carbon dust" to create precipitation. No offense but, it CLEARLY states precipitation enhancement. It also states how it works. This is a clear statement on cloud seeding for producing heavy rains to flood the enemy by using carbon.

Instead of using manned aircraft to fly over enemy territory on full afterburner, a better way would be to use a UAV. A UAV with afterburners would remedy this right away. Obviously, it would be better to use STEALTH technology so it won't show up on radar either. So no, in effect, this whole thing doesn't really add anything to the "chemtrail" idea. There has been talk of using stealth technology on UAVs for a while. So using logic, its logical someone will think to use a UAV, with afterburners, and have it stealth, and then use it for precipitation enhancement, since this paper is talking about weather modification.

If you have an understanding of military technology and some chemistry, you should know what are afterburners. And what happens when you burn fuel but it isnt burned properly? It produces carbon. If you are so afraid of carbon, then I would stay away from charcoal, burning candles, or anything that burns. Do you know what soot is?
www.answers.com...

n.

The fine black particles, chiefly composed of carbon, produced by incomplete combustion of coal, oil, wood, or other fuels.

[Middle English, from Old English sōt.]
soot soot v.

So once again, using something called critical thinking and common sense, this means that when you put a plane into full afterburner, you dump unburned fuel directly into the exhaust for a big speed boost. This means that fuel that is dumped into the hot exhaust is not burned evenly or completely and carbon dust (in layman terms: SOOT) is left behind. Jet engines burn quite cleanly and "soot" is not produced as much. However when you don't fully burn fuel, it will produce "soot" AKA carbon dust. Mystery solved.

reply to post by weedwhacker


What do I know?

Well, I've been hit by them 3 times that I am aware now. The second time was a whopper.

We had a low flyby by a 4 engine jet. It seemed to have Iberia colours, the spanish main airline, but I am not 100% certain of this. It was probably a A340. It flew east to west across the south side of the island, around 6000ft by my guesstimate. After it passed I could see the contrails you guys so incessently ramble about dissipate, yet the chemtrail, which left a sort of corkscrew pattern which I found very wierd, expand into cloud coverage.

Further out to sea were two more jets doing mostly the same thing. As far as I could tell they covered most of the southeast side of the island, including the capital funchal. We were having a beautifull series of sunny days, then we were left with a sickly milky grey sky for a few days. Then people start getting sick. Not drop dead sick, but you can tell people feel "under the weather", and yes I use this phrase ironically. Dog's get slight eye infections. And those beautifull sunny days were gone, the sky being left with a brownish haze, clearly visable on the horizon. This spreading was done soon after a rainstorm, which probably cleared away all the previous particulate that was sprayed, these guys seemed busy. All of the above was done in broad daylight, and I can garantee that it was not regular traffic.

In the meantime the news was full of some stupid political diversion, some nonsense with a nazi flags and the autonomous parliment. Who cares?

And the people, despite all this crap are going restless. I would not be surprised to see political revolutions in south Europe in the near future. We see you sort of situation going on here.

Exactly what is going on with chemtrails I don't know Wheedwhacker, but I do know this:
1) They are real and more and more people are aware of them.
2) There is criminal disinformation and dissimulation about them by our governance bodies.
3) People like you, although maybe not you, only you know for sure, are being paid to lie and disinform people about what is going on, in standard cointel practice, of military inspiration.
4) These things are part of a broader war, a classe warfare, the elites desperately trying to supress the middle class, in any and all ways they can, because they know the prosperity of mankind is the ruin of tyrants.

This is what I know. What do you know? Because so far you haven't even got aircraft loads right.

I have entered in contact with local photography groups, and here on this tourist haven there are a lot of them, next time this stuff happens we, the people, will be organised and while I won't naturally promise anything, if this does happen again here there will at least be a self organising collective of local citizens documenting and publishing it out on the web. Expect conclusive chemtrail evidence to be thrown up soon. And yes, the debunkers will still debunk, because a large percentage of them do so out of agenda not respect of truth and the rest of them, I am sorry, just are unfortunate enough to be on the wrong side of this debate.

This has to stop, I live on one of the most beautifull islands on earth, and I am saddened by the negative elitist influence present in our skies and in our society, our economy, our very culture. We, humans, need to wake up to what is being done, realise there is no such thing as coincidence, everything is causal, and see what a very small number of us, out of malice are manipulating a larger number of us, out of greed or ignorance, into hurting the vast majority of us, in innocence.

We need to stop this madness and realise we are all one. I have, and I am trying to help more of you do too. The alternative is chemtrails, contrived wars, disease, poverty and exploitation, as the slave system trundles onward. And there is no real reason it has to be this way, it's just a web of lies.

The solution is always truth, because truth requires no maintenance, and lies, as I suspect a few of the posters on this thread know, require constant maintenance.

The above is what I know, although I can't prove all of it. But all I have said anyone can prove to themselves over time, without owing me anything, and they will be better off for the process.

Peace.

Originally posted by GenRadek

The paragraphs are about precipitation enhancement. I hope you understand what that phrase means.

I might be having trouble understanding that phrase. Isn't that something you find in the back of the Pitch magazine that Small men driving Huge trucks seek to have done to them?

OOps, My bad, I thought you meant penile enhancement!

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reply to post by interestedalways


That is the point of STEALTH technology. So as not to be seen on radar. Using it on a UAV would be the next logical technological step in the evolution of combat aircraft systems. Weapons? yes.

However, with chemtrails, this falls flat on its face. Weather modification =/= chemtrails.

Fun fact , true stealth aircraft (B-2s, F-117s) do not produce contrails as they are suppressed with special chemicals that inhibit its formation. Also, they don't fly through air or they avoid it where it is known contrails will be created.

reply to post by GenRadek


Seems to me that weaponizing mother nature would take a bit more than seeding a couple of clouds. Think a little bigger here.

reply to post by interestedalways


Well.............. not really.


Wrong "enhancement"!

Originally posted by GenRadek
they are suppressed with special chemicals that inhibit its formation.

Special Chemicals?

I am sorry.

This thread is just getting to be a bit much.

Originally posted by GenRadek
reply to post by interestedalways

 

Well.............. not really.

Wrong "enhancement"!

I am glad you have a sense of humor!

Okay..........Sorry for the little derail.