Nothing in chemtrails... yeahhh riiiiight...Photos

reply to post by fleabit


It is obvious that you have little interest in the discussion here other than derailing it. There have been numerous links that have been provide that could arm you with more serious questions other than whats in the water... links actually were provide for that...what can I say.

Most of the information provided on this thread is above reproach, siting government agencies, investigative journalist, and good old fashioned hard working folks that are concerned.

Take a look at the link below. IMO it is the main reason we see chemtrails. Then if the information within sparks any interest with you just take some of the buzz words from with in the scientific language and google it.

The wording within the introduction is for me the most interesting, "DoD agencies already have ongoing efforts in broad ionospheric enhancement"..."The space eforts include chemical release"

What better way to heat the ionosphere but through a sub layer of heated metallic salts...AKA chemtrails. www.viewzone.com...

There is a thread on here somewhere about people being very tired and out of lately. I have been this way too. I try to better my diet, exercise, etc. Not helping, so is there one of the chemicals that would cause this in people? If so which one, and what do the trails look like? Then maybe we could all compare notes and see. I am so skeptical in these things(chem trails) but who knows.

reply to post by Mystery76


I suspect that the aluminum (oxide) that has been found in rain water will in fact compromise our health. I do not think chemtrails happen in order to make us sick I think the DoD just doesn't care that it will make us sick.

The ill efects caused www.lenntech.com...

Health effects of aluminum

Aluminum is one of the most widely used metals and also one of the most frequently found compounds in the earth's crust. Due to these facts, aluminum is commonly known as an innocent compound. But still, when one is exposed to high concentrations, it can cause health problems. The water-soluble form of aluminum causes the harmful effects, these particles are called ions. They are usually found in a solution of aluminum in combination with other ions, for instance as aluminum chlorine.

The uptake of aluminum can take place through food, through breathing and by skin contact. Long lasting uptakes of significant concentrations of aluminum can lead to serious health effects, such as:

- Damage to the central nervous system
- Dementia
- Loss of memory
- Listlessness
- Severe trembling


That from the link you posted. Many people having this too. We have had a lot more rain the past two years as well so that could make sense. I majorly have the loss of memory and listlessness

reply to post by Mystery76


The amounts found in our natural environment have always been tolerable if you did not cook with it or use a little too much anti-perspirant, but to have it raining down on us is another matter. There are now concerns with the amounts of aluminum in our food sources and grazing animals. It is showing up in large amounts where once it had not.

Originally posted by Witness2008

I own a telescope, it sits outside and I have seen big, white, unmarked aircraft leave hideous trails of pollutants that take an hour to completly spread and combined with the other chemtrails acting in the same way block the sun but give me beautifully colored sunsets.

Dammit!

You've found us out. It's a global conspiracy by a secret cabal of landscape photographers .......

But you have to admit, they do add interest to a sunset

reply to post by fleabit


Here are some interesting water samples for you. It seems there is some concern in California for what is being found in the water supply...barium and aluminun along with high levels of other metals. www.skylies.org...

reply to post by Witness2008

How much Barium is produced and released to the environment?

The most common ores are found in AK, AR, CA, GA, KY, MO, NV, and TN. Barite was produced at 38 mines in these states in 1973, with Nevada supplying 50% of the tonnage. Barium is released to water and soil in the discharge and disposal of drilling wastes, from the smelting of copper, and the manufacture of motor vehicle parts and accessories.

From 1987 to 1993, according to the Toxics Release Inventory barium compound releases to land and water totaled over 57 million lbs. These releases were primarily from copper smelting industries. The largest releases occurred in Arizona and Utah. The largest direct releases to water occurred in Texas.

www.freedrinkingwater.com...

Heavy metals in the environment are caused by air emissions from coal-burning plants, smelters, and other industrial facilities; waste incinerators; process wastes from mining and industry; and lead in household plumbing and old house paints. Industry is not totally to blame, as heavy metals can sometimes enter the environment through natural processes. For example, in some parts of the U.S., naturally occurring geologic deposits of arsenic can dissolve into groundwater, potentially resulting in unsafe levels of this heavy metal in drinking water supplies in the area. Once released to the environment, metals can remain for decades or centuries, increasing the likelihood of human exposure.

In addition to drinking water, we can be exposed to heavy metals through inhalation of air pollutants, exposure to contaminated soils or industrial waste, or consumption of contaminated food. Because of contaminated water, food sources such as vegetables, grains, fruits, fish and shellfish can also become contaminated by accumulating metals from the very soil and water it grows from.

www.freedrinkingwater.com...

Why is aluminum present in water?

Aluminum forms during mineral weathering of feldspars, such as and orthoclase, anorthite, albite, micas and bauxite, and subsequently ends up in clay minerals. A number of gemstones contain aluminum, examples are ruby and sapphire.
Currently, only iron and steel are produced in larger amounts than aluminum. Additionally, aluminum is largely recycled because this is very distinctly possible. It is applied in for example frames, door knobs, car bodies, plane parts (the weight/ strength relation is very favourable), engines, cables and cans. Aluminum is a good reflector and is therefore applied in solar mirrors and heat reflecting blankets. Aluminum is processed to cans, wiring and alloys.
Aluminum salts are often added to water to start precipitation reactions for phosphate removal. Consequently, sewage sludge in water purification with a pH value between 6.8 and 7.3 is present as hydroxides.
Alums are applied as fertilizer in tea plantations. Other aluminum compounds are applied in paper production. Alloys such as duraluminum are applied because these are stronger than aluminum itself. Aluminum foam is applied in tunnels as soundproofing material.
Other examples of aluminum application include aluminum chloride use in cracking processes, aluminum oxide as an abrasive or for production of inflammable objects, aluminum sulphate use as a basic material in paper glue, tanners, mordants and synthetic rubber, and aluminum hydrogen as a reduction and hydration agent.
Aluminum occurs as an aerosol in oceanic surface layers and in waters. This is because aluminum dust end up in water. Particles end up in water through surface run-off or atmospheric transport.
Generally, aluminum concentrations increase with increasing water depth.

www.lenntech.com...

reply to post by Zaphod58


I don't get it with you guys. I post a link that I am assuming you did not read because I can not think that given the alarming tone within the water report from the California health department that you as a fellow human being would then serve up on this thread information in an attempt to dilute the concerns we all should have over highly polluted water sources no matter the cause for the pollution.

reply to post by Witness2008


Where in the HELL did I say that we shouldn't be concerned about it? DO NOT put words in my mouth. What I pointed out is that the chemicals you claim to come from "chemtrails" are found in our water supply from MANY sources, and NOT ONE of them was pointed out to be from spraying. The EXACT SAME CHEMICALS you claim come from them spraying come from DOZENS of land based sources. Am I concerned about it? Hell yes I am. Is it coming from some mysterious airplane flying over my head? No it is not. I suggest that you look at the ground based sources FIRST, before jumping on some conspiracy about what's over your head.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Perhaps then you may want to show that ground based sources such as mining and smelting are in deed the cause for the rise in Aluminum and barium in ground water. The increased levels are coming from somewhere...I think it comes from the deliberate dumping of metals into our atmosphere with various weather conditions sending it back down.

reply to post by Witness2008


Oh absolutely. Let's just IGNORE the fact that there are DOZENS of other reasons that make so much more sense as to why the levels are rising and point at the sky and scream how they're spraying us with evil chemicals.

reply to post by Zaphod58


I'm not ignoring anything...actually after reading a few other things about the increase in aluminum in our environment I brushed up on a few clean air laws in this country. Given the high standards for air quality in California and the mandatory clean up all industry had to do the air, ground and water should show a continuos decrease in those elements. It was not utill 1994 that they detected the higher levels increasing to the year 2006.

It would be nice if those that want to poke holes in our theories and proof of chemtrails could check out what we are posting and linking, it seems to me that it would make the debunking much more gratifying. The reason I can see chemtrails is because they are over my head, they are in wide screen, larger than life technicolor.

Why? 90% of what you link to has been linked to over and over and over again. What exactly do clean AIR laws have to do with things dumped directly into the groundwater? They can't pump them into the AIR anymore, but it doesn't mean that they can't get dumped into the groundwater. Not to mention how much of this gets into the water through runoff.

The clean WATER act is what you should be reading. The Federal clean water act doesn't even cover groundwater sources however. It's up to the states to cover those. The Federal act only covers waterways, and areas adjacent to those waterways.

Don't have time to go all the way through this tonight, but what I went through is pretty interesting.

www.epa.gov...

So the mystery chemicals they are spraying on us are.. aluminum?

Ok.. whatever, keep living in your fantasy world. So the amazing proof is elements that are commonly found due to dozens of landbased sources. Brilliant. You DO realize that if this was a reality, it would be found in heavy amounts in ALL samples. Is it? Nope.

The grand master-plan to poison us for unfathomable reasons.. is being done with aluminum! How effective and brilliant of them.

This would be akin to me saying "omg.. mystery sources are poisoning me with carbon dioxcide!"

By the way, just out of curiosity: since vapor trails are a common and normal scientific phenomona with aircraft, how in the world can you tell the evil chemicals from the normal planes? Or are you suggesting that is a lie, and ALL planes, including passenger jets, spew chemicals on us. I'm actually curious, please share this with us.

Every Day more people become aware of the seriousness of the Chemtrail phenomenon. Their existence has already been confirmed and admitted.

This thread will allow members to distinguish between members who contribute and show a genuine effort to convey the truth and those who obfusticate, sidetrack and contribute nothing beneficial - and whose efforts oft betray a greater agenda and a coordinated effort.

This is important because certain issues such as this require the participation of Honest people and genuine concerted efforts. People's health depends on it, and the ramifications of this are so numerous and detrimental that it is the duty of all Good citizens to expose this malevolent activity.

If anything, new members will be able to distinguish between these citizens and those whom we call disinformationists, misinformationsts, repeaters, and the habitual reactionary debunkists and the like.

By reading only the last few pages of this thread New members will know who they can trust and who is here to sidetrack them and stop them from making any important discoveries or preventing them from sharing the discoveries they themselves have made. This is a good thing.

I would like to thank all of those who have contributed to this thread and helped to unmask those few, a swell as for contributing priceless information and bringing so concisely to this one location so much information relevant to the chemtrail phenomenon.

reply to post by TruthTellist


No, their existence has not been confirmed and admitted. Never.

If they are so real, why is there no evidence for them? You are the one who is obfuscating, sidetracking, and contribute nothing beneficial. You are trotting out your assumptions and the opinions of others as actual fact, when it is nothing of the sort.

"Chemtrails" don't exist. Contrails do, and apparently you can't tell the difference.

reply to post by fleabit


ZOMG!!!!!eleventy!1!!!1 you disinfo agent! Clearly you just don't want to accept the fact that they are real! You are one of them! This is direct proof they exist!

Aaah. I'd love to be that irrational that everything I think of must be the truth. The world would be even more fantastic, and completely illogical.

Don't try to bring logic to this discussion - the believers don't believe because of logic, but because of some fundamental misunderstandings about what evidence is, what contrails are, how the atmosphere works, and how air/ground/water samples are taken.

This is a great example of how a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and how a little knowledge coupled with an almost insurmountable egotism that elevates the holder's opinions to absolute proof, is even more insidious and pernicious.

reply to post by dave420


Your grand inquisitor tactic doesn't work either as we are raising flags about an emerging problem. Galileo was challenging the establishment that was operated through dogmatic control ( it much the same today) Science is extremely important. If you think the area of chemtrails has no scientific support , I'd have to say your in denial. There are many scientific people involved in the the study of this issue. The dogma of science is every bit as powerful as religious. It becomes known to many scientists that challenging the establishment is the end of their funding/research in any given area of research. Why would it be any different in this discussion. We are the free thinkers, I highly doubt a free thinker would have any trouble with Galileo.


Back In 1970, former National Security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in Between Two Ages, that:

'By the year 2018, technology will make available to the leaders of the major nations, a variety of techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised. One nation may attack a competitor covertly by bacteriological means, thoroughly weakening the population (though with a minimum of fatalities) before taking over with its own armed forces. Alternatively, techniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm..."
In this same book we also find this quote:

“The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.”

www.bariumblues.com...

reply to post by TruthTellist


Galileo had evidence. He had measurements. He didn't go around proudly displaying his lack of understanding of that which he argued. Don't try to compare this ridiculous "movement" with a great mind, as the two are not even remotely comparable. Galileo was a scientist. He made observations. He made measurements. He collected evidence. What have "chemtrail" people done? They've demonstrated to the entire world that they know nothing of contrails, chemistry, atmospheric science, or the scientific method in general.

Scientific people being involved in the study of something (and I've yet to see that actually happen, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) doesn't mean anything. It's evidence that matters. Scientific support means evidence has been obtained through the scientific method that demonstrates something is definitely happening - not that scientists are investigating. Clearly you don't understand the scientific method.

And those quotes demonstrate nothing. Absolutely nothing.