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Macedonia and the Greece propaganda

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posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 09:03 PM
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I would like here more to talk how politicians lie the people and not to argue between us.

If there are made any secret agreements between 2 goverments only for money, i wanna know about this... arguing is bad for all



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 09:30 PM
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Post On Topic or not at all

The posting at another member stops NOW!!!!

Semper



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Macedonia
For more info you can visit www. historyofmacedonia.org macedonian sponsored web page and you can only see the numbers of the pages of the books of these ancient people and no lies.


That website is owned by FYROM to promote propaganda...so it's not exactly a "neutral" source.

Here u have independed worldwide sources

The Metropolitan Museum of Art. New York.

www.metmuseum.org...
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The British Museum. London.

www.britishmuseum.org...
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The Louvre. Paris.

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The Getty. Los Angeles.

www.getty.edu...
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The Hermitage. St. Petersburg Russia
hermitagemuseum.org...

The Fitzwilliam Museum. Cambridge
www-cm.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk...

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100 Modern historians verify ancient Macedonians were Greek
historyofmacedonia.wordpress.com...


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posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:04 PM
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www.christweb.com...



Greece
orginally consisted of the four provinces of Macedonia, Epirus, Achaia, and Peleponnesus. In Acts 20:2 it designates only the Roman province of Macedonia. Greece was conquered by the Romans B.C. 146. After passing through various changes it was erected into an independent monarchy in 1831.

Moses makes mention of Greece under the name of Javan (Gen. 10:2-5); and this name does not again occur in the Old Testament till the time of Joel (3:6). Then the Greeks and Hebrews first came into contact in the Tyrian slave-market. Prophetic notice is taken of Greece in Dan. 8:21.

The cities of Greece were the special scenes of the labours of the apostle Paul.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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Here we go again...


I gave info about the ancient historians who were GREEK and the pages of their books!

You gave me:
100 modern historians and the pages of their brand new books who are born 2000 years after the greek historians


I leave this to the readers to read both pages the sponsored macedonian and your pages from british museum and 100 modern historians...

Someone here dont want to show the real and most valuable evidences



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:09 PM
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Ancient Greeks references to Macedonians as Greeks

BBC Documentary about Alexander

Alexander the Great (356 - 323 BC)

Alexander was born in the northern Greek kingdom of Macedonia in July 356 BC.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by geforce[/

Alexander was born in the northern Greek kingdom of Macedonia in July 356 BC.




How will you explane the fact to me that Greece became a country after 1830 and Macedonia was a kingdom 2000 years ago?



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by Macedonia
 

Someone here dont want to show the real and most valuable evidences



Yeah, i noticed


"For I (Alexander I) myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery." (Herod. IX, 45, 2 [Loeb])



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by Macedonia

Originally posted by geforce[/

Alexander was born in the northern Greek kingdom of Macedonia in July 356 BC.




How will you explane the fact to me that Greece became a country after 1830 and Macedonia was a kingdom 2000 years ago?


Greece(Hellas) was consisted by city states and Kingdoms...what is so difficult to understand? Sparta, Athens, Macedonia, Epirus, Crete etc



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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Education is oftenly manipulated to control masses and achieve goals.
Thats politics... I believe one should open his eye wider and allow ego &interest off the equation. Little study thereafter may allow for the true picture to emerge to ones mind...

Just a suggestion.

Geforce will surely be more than happy to provide some credible sources for a quest of truth.

If one would thing Geforce is not on the side of truth then he could do his own research. However i should point out that its always hard to move from stereotypes, artrificially created in the recent past by twisting history.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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Good post man!

You are right. But the only problem is that we who live in Macedonia want to go forward and to become members of EU, NATO etc. But we are blocked by Greece because of ancient unsolved problems that have no end.

We are living in democratic and modern world right?

How will you feel if i force you to change your name?

How will you feel if i force you to change your identity and the name of your country?

How will you feel if i denie your right of existence?

So please dear friends, Don't FYROM me!

Thanks!



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:42 PM
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What does "FYROM" mean?



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by Macedonia
reply to post by GEORGETHEGREEK
 

We are living in democratic and modern world right?

How will you feel if i force you to change your name?



How will you feel if i force you to change your identity and the name of your country?


How would u feel if someone was stealing your history, your name and after that try to lay territorial claims upon Greek soil?? If your neighbor wasn't Greece and lets say it was....Israel, US or Turkey... you WOULD be in big troubles, my slavic friend.

www.opencongress.org...


A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) should stop the utilization of materials that violate provisions of the United Nations-brokered Interim Agreement between FYROM and Greece regarding "hostile activities or propaganda" and should work with the United Nations and Greece to achieve longstanding United States and United Nations policy goals of finding a mutually-acceptable official name for FYROM.


Signed by the president of USA, Barack Obama.




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posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by MemoryShock
reply to post by Macedonia
 


What does "FYROM" mean?



www.un.org...


Decides to admit the State whose application is contained in document
A/47/876-S/25147 to membership in the United Nations, this State being
provisionally referred to for all purposes within the United Nations as "Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia" pending settlement of the difference
that has arisen over the name of the State.



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posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:53 PM
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Thank you...



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 11:15 PM
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Will you answer me once for all times why Greece is the purest nation in the world with 98% of greeks and 2% of muslims?

I need answer only on this question, for the other ancient things we can discuss the next 2000 years.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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....my slavic friend.
You are slavic and turkish and greek and etc... arent you?

We are not stealing your history! As an answer to Greek radical ancient policy we only show some valuable evidences by greek famous ancient orators that you dont want to accept as real.

I dont know what can be most valuable evidence than the ancient "books"

Thank you



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Macedonia
reply to post by geforce
 


Will you answer me once for all times why Greece is the purest nation in the world with 98% of greeks and 2% of muslims?


What has Religion to do with Ethnic purity?? Seriously
and the Greek muslims are around 1% of the total population. Your point?



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 11:28 PM
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i suppose the forum moderator is able to have a uninhibited understanding.
do not hesitate to tell him some more about how this story has come to be...

Greek civilization has been the light of evolution to the world.
A civilization of knowledge peace and well being.
One that created democracy and freedom as well as freedom of expresion.
If it was not for that greatness of the Greek spirit there would not be a case anyway.
It is these exact values that have been used ruthlessly against its originators, in this case.
Freedom of speach does not provide ground for propaganda and propaganda it self is not an inherent democratic ingredient.
Freedom of speach is not a way to falsely test the patience of a Greek nation that seeks and spreads peace. If Greeks were not as great standing by to higher values the area under discussion would not be a different part both by right and by ability.

I should note that i allready have spend too much time on a thread that is beyond my tolerance as to even coming to be.
There are great people here to defend truth, in better ways than i could. I just do not have the patience to remain calm with this.
Friends can feel free to u2u me but really i will not be part
of this discussion any more.

DENY IGNORANCE AND HELP THE PLANNET MOVE INTO A NEW AGE OF JUSTICE,
FAIRNESS, KNOWLEDGE MENTAL AND SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT.
OUR TECHNOLOGICAL
PROGRESS IS NOT IN SYNC WITH OUR SOCIETY AND POLITICIANS DO NOT ADD MUCH
TO THIS NEED BUT RATHER THE OPPOSITE. THE PLANNET IS IN GREAT NEED AND
WE ARE HEADING THE WRONG DIRECTION. THERE IS MUCH TO BE DONE AND WE MUSTMAKE IT.

OPEN YOUR EYES OPEN YOUR MIND BUT FIRST OF ALL OPEN YOUR HEART!




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