PARA: What You Should Know About Lower Astrals

reply to post by antar


Hello Antar,

Very interesting story indeed...

How does one know if he/she is a "Gate Keeper" or "Lightworker"?...

You mentioned 'psychic attacks' and 'vertigo' on several occasions. I recently spent a lot of time posting on a thread at Goldlike where an 'ET' answers questions from the public through a human channel. Although the thread was very informative and I eventually convinced myself that he was indeed an 'ET", I became very critical of certain answers that changed as soon as some parameters appeared to have been established: in other words, he was changing the goal posts as the discussion went on. We had also exchanged a few brief e-mails and he knew where I lived...

I had never experienced motion sickness or vertigo before, but one day at lunch, I felt a 'hit' in my solar plexus area, my eye balls started to have rapid spasms and my head began to spin. It was so bad that I loss my balance completely and had to be helped to go and lie in bed. Even there, it felt that my neck and back of my head were sinking ever more deeply into the pillow...

I was totally incapacitated, unable to think clearly and in a panic, as this lasted 36 hours before I could regain enough balance to make it to my computer and send this guy an e-mail to tell him what happened and that I would never again post on his thread: I figured I had annoyed him and that I got hit with a psychic attack, as a reward...

One day later, I felt fine and never experienced this debilitating vertigo again...

I wonder if you or anyone else has had such a baffling experience??...

I did received a most strange phone call last night. Some one from my online acquaintance. I spent the entire time calming them down and it was only after hanging up I wished I had pressed them further for information, I tried to do a call return to get their number after and it was a private number.

I do hope this thread can move along to a more enlightened state as there are always ways of meeting challenges if we become first aware. This is what we as humans do best. We are resourceful and have all the potential to overcome any obstacle when given the opportunity.

Peace.

Originally posted by Solace
reply to post by antar

 

Hello Antar,

Very interesting story indeed...

How does one know if he/she is a "Gate Keeper" or "Lightworker"?...

When life from as early as you can recall is lived in service of an empathetic nature, when many miracles happen both great and small, and your soul purpose is in an understanding from divine perspective, no interests otherwise.

You mentioned 'psychic attacks' and 'vertigo' on several occasions. I recently spent a lot of time posting on a thread at Goldlike where an 'ET' answers questions from the public through a human channel. Although the thread was very informative and I eventually convinced myself that he was indeed an 'ET", I became very critical of certain answers that changed as soon as some parameters appeared to have been established: in other words, he was changing the goal posts as the discussion went on. We had also exchanged a few brief e-mails and he knew where I lived...

It really does not matter if he is terrestrial or not, the energy was not resonating with your higher light, it was not a place where you could gleam any more than what initially interested you. It is good that you knew when to bow out, I would let it go. Surround him in light, and send your heart energy, thank your higher self for the awareness and let it go.

I had never experienced motion sickness or vertigo before, but one day at lunch, I felt a 'hit' in my solar plexus area, my eye balls started to have rapid spasms and my head began to spin. It was so bad that I loss my balance completely and had to be helped to go and lie in bed. Even there, it felt that my neck and back of my head were sinking ever more deeply into the pillow...

Be sure and drink plenty of liquids, (electrolytes) get peaceful rest, use melodic or nature sounds before going to sleep and keep a picture near your bed, where the last thing you see before closing your eyes will be this picture. It can be of an Alien you resonate with, a Master such as Buddha or Jesus, Krishna, whom ever, even a picture that brings peace to your heart and helps you remember your connectedness to the Divine.

I was totally incapacitated, unable to think clearly and in a panic, as this lasted 36 hours before I could regain enough balance to make it to my computer and send this guy an e-mail to tell him what happened and that I would never again post on his thread: I figured I had annoyed him and that I got hit with a psychic attack, as a reward...

This is why I created this thread, to let you know that you have complete control over these types of attacks, it will get much worse as we arrive closer to the shifting of the earths axis. There is nothing I can tell you other than that you have already shown your strength, championed your vulnerability, and made the right decission for your health and well being.

I wonder if you or anyone else has had such a baffling experience??...

Many here on this thread were having similar experiences, myself included. There were some cheap parlor tricks being played by energy vampires, people who are part of the same negative energy as in the OP. I received several U2us telling me of the same symptoms you were having. Because you were sensitive shows your ability to avoid these types of attacks and people or situations in the future where you can foresee being manipulated or used for energy drains. This is a sign of awareness not weakness.

Love.

Antar, I hope you are doing well.

Is there any hope that those of us that are truly interested in your experience will ever know the rest of the story?

My imagination has run wild trying to fill in the blanks.

Peace and Light to you.

Originally posted by Solace

You mentioned 'psychic attacks' and 'vertigo' on several occasions. I recently spent a lot of time posting on a thread at Goldlike where an 'ET' answers questions from the public through a human channel. Although the thread was very informative and I eventually convinced myself that he was indeed an 'ET", I became very critical of certain answers that changed as soon as some parameters appeared to have been established: in other words, he was changing the goal posts as the discussion went on. We had also exchanged a few brief e-mails and he knew where I lived...

What is this Goldlike forum? Ive never heard of this been done on a thread before, its sounds positively dangerous. To give out your address to an ET channeller I would not reccommend. Ive exchanged e mails with people but Ive never given out my address. Glad you came out of it the other side un harmed. Did you contact the channeller or was it the other way around?

I think any one of us can access these other dimensions, the partition between them is only thin, you just need to change your preception and awarness. Its like I can feel them very near, like all I need to do is rip the space in front of me and Id be there...the trouble is knowing how to do this. I can not initiate a portal or gateway to open, I just dont know how yet they seem to be able to do it at will.

Originally posted by antar
This is why I created this thread, to let you know that you have complete control over these types of attacks, it will get much worse as we arrive closer to the shifting of the earths axis. There is nothing I can tell you other than that you have already shown your strength, championed your vulnerability, and made the right decision for your health and well being.

Just alittle something for those who have no idea wtf an "astral" anything is let alone what a psychic attack entails, or what all this means to the average person walking around knowing what's going on or not:

The most common of "attacks" are felt as things like overwhelming anger, sorrow, sadness, anxiety, etc for absolutely no reason. That's not to confuse things with clinically diagnosed disorders or pre-existing conditions, but sometimes these things develop into one as someone might be plagued by nightmares or can get depressed which can lead to disrupted sleep patterns, which can lead to all sorts of physical & psychological ailments. I would wager an entire United States penny on the estimation that a large majority of psycho analysts spend a significant portion of time on the dreams/nightmares of patients for all types or reasons. See how that cycle could be exploited by "something" theoretically if it was able to manipulate the frequencies/energies to induce feelings like that in someone? I would think that being constantly bombarded by "panic" energy for instance might develop into nightmares would could lead to the aforementioned "blah-blah-blah"...

In regards to an axis shift. No you won't go flying off the planet anyone, no we don't know exactly what's going to happen but either way that's not what's going on. No it's not "doomsday", "Armageddon", "end times", whatever, it's part of a natural cycle of coolness actually. Check out fossil records to verify the literally exponential growth of biological activity correlating to the cycles of not only the solar system alignment, but of the millions of years cycle whipping around the galaxy across the center into a highly energetic area of the galaxy.

So wtf does that mean to everyone? That means this is all a big ride(RIP Bill ) and you're part of this ever changing always on-going movie that we co-create now-by-now. Just like any great movie there's huge twists, turns, dips, & soaring heights, and there's always antagony. A great "villain" of sorts to counter the struggle of "good" vs. "evil" or "right" vs. "wrong" which creates the dance of harmony. So write yourself as the most bad-ass character you can think of and live it as truly as you can, realize your potential and realize your true self. Trust yourself & the rest should just fall into place...

The lower astral have been very busy for some time. As a seer I had seen the hordes on the terrains of the underworld, and then released from that domain!

Demons, I had many encounters as I am a realm walker and warrior...and have encountered the many levels of ranks....the native elders had taught me to battle since the 1990's. I also had 2 separate occasions where demons manifested and attacked....so i know the battle, and the dark kingdom well. The battle has been raging for a very long time but the sands of time are running out and the dark ones have become desperate, as time is almost up...so speaks this etherically ancient one. I have also seen many etheric warriors die on the astral battlefield....so the battle has its costs of many souls lost/perished...

Now i do not know the term light worker....as i am only a warrior,who is very psychic...a seer....I have also undergone the kundalini in the 1990s and am presently past the stage of arhat/arahant/arahat...which is beyond Monad aka manas, high buddhic, atma...Arhat is the realization of the True Self. Monad is beyond Mind and beyond polarity/dualism...it is the reflection of the moon on the waters, but still in the illusion. Beyond Monad is the fiery worlds and shamballah where the final test occurs... I had my rebirth in a stage called 'adi' which is just before the fiery worlds, and there is a huge sideways portal there....I recall being rebirthed from out of a sun...from a babe and grew to maturity in an instant...Anyways ,as a warrior I wield a sword and am a magick user...i invoke and can send protection to others. I also work as a conjuent to heal the earth and G_D's creation....and I am solely led by THE TEACHER alone...I pull power from the divine throne, thru this mundane earthen vessel, to the earth, or to disperse it out in the 4 directions...but never for dark conjuring!

Arhat...the half moon visible...an noble one who becomes awakened...karma burns up in the 3 dan tiens....all things becomes fresh and new again, but this time with wisdom attached. So now all things seen thru the eyes of wisdom...and everything is pure bliss, like that of a child...fresh and innocent yet again, karma no longer touches this noble one for the end of its mortal days on earth and ascends to high dimensions after death....nor can darkness touch such a noble one/arhat. Aaah, arhat...the raindrop returns to the ocean of solace, the True Self is made know to the seeker of Truth.

Btw...there is no ego here... truth to convey only...it is up to yous to discern Truth.....i only speak the necessary message... Then again, from the state of Monad and upwards, ego is severely dealt with and slain! Otherwise one does not become an Arhat!!! And i am beyond arhat...the state of NO MIND/NO SELF and no mirror anymore either!... and i am not done yet myself, for my last level is gradual.....of the highest of the 3 inner worlds! Beyond astral world is the realms of Spirit...and there are dark entities up to the level of high buddhic and they are extremely subtle with their tricks and deceptions! But yes,. there is far more in the lower astrals!!!

Now I have not encountered the Gates, nor am I a gatekeeper...only a warrior, put there are sacred places that the native elders and shamans know about,and there are earth chakras as well...so these may become usurped by darkness,as are ley lines...

The lower astral have been very busy for some time. As a seer I had seen the hordes on the terrains of the underworld, and then released from that domain!

Demons, I had many encounters as I am a realm walker and warrior...and have encountered the many levels of ranks....the native elders had taught me to battle since the 1990's. I also had 2 separate occasions where demons manifested and attacked....so i know the battle, and the dark kingdom well. The battle has been raging for a very long time but the sands of time are running out and the dark ones have become desperate, as time is almost up...so speaks this etherically ancient one. I have also seen many etheric warriors die on the astral battlefield....so the battle has its costs of many souls lost/perished...

Now i do not know the term light worker....as i am only a warrior,who is very psychic...a seer....I have also undergone the kundalini in the 1990s and am presently past the stage of arhat/arahant/arahat...which is beyond Monad aka manas, high buddhic, atma...Arhat is the realization of the True Self. Monad is beyond Mind and beyond polarity/dualism...it is the reflection of the moon on the waters, but still in the illusion. Beyond Monad is the fiery worlds and shamballah where the final test occurs... I had my rebirth in a stage called 'adi' which is just before the fiery worlds, and there is a huge sideways portal there....I recall being rebirthed from out of a sun...from a babe and grew to maturity in an instant...Anyways ,as a warrior I wield a sword and am a magick user...i invoke and can send protection to others. I also work as a conjuent to heal the earth and G_D's creation....and I am solely led by THE TEACHER alone...I pull power from the divine throne, thru this mundane earthen vessel, to the earth, or to disperse it out in the 4 directions...but never for dark conjuring!

Arhat...the half moon visible...an noble one who becomes awakened...karma burns up in the 3 dan tiens....all things becomes fresh and new again, but this time with wisdom attached. So now all things seen thru the eyes of wisdom...and everything is pure bliss, like that of a child...fresh and innocent yet again, karma no longer touches this noble one for the end of its mortal days on earth and ascends to high dimensions after death....nor can darkness touch such a noble one/arhat. Aaah, arhat...the raindrop returns to the ocean of solace, the True Self is made know to the seeker of Truth.

Btw...there is no ego here... truth to convey only...it is up to yous to discern Truth.....i only speak the necessary message... Then again, from the state of Monad and upwards, ego is severely dealt with and slain! Otherwise one does not become an Arhat!!! And i am beyond arhat...the state of NO MIND/NO SELF and no mirror anymore either!... and i am not done yet myself, for my last level is gradual.....of the highest of the 3 inner worlds! Beyond astral world is the realms of Spirit...and there are dark entities up to the level of high buddhic and they are extremely subtle with their tricks and deceptions! But yes,. there is far more in the lower astrals!!!

Now I have not encountered the Gates, nor am I a gatekeeper...only a warrior, put there are sacred places that the native elders and shamans know about,and there are earth chakras as well...so these may become usurped by darkness,as are ley lines....

I wonder if they may try to piggyback thru the kundalini? As chakras are also doors to the other dimensions? I was stopped one time cos unknowingly i was carrying a dark entity...and so i was stopped and the entity was dealt with before i could proceed again. Also when I hit my last stage where SELF is no more whatsoever, in any shape, image or form...and there was only the Awareness only...a samadhi as it were which lasted for a good 3 weeks before coming back to regular consciousness...I lost all my gifts as they became cankered! What a shocker to hear that in the aethers! In my last level was laid a trap,and a doozy! Did I ever crash and burn, and become extremely carnal....even dark....took a lot of work to get out of that hole, and for my gifts to slowly come back online...

So illusions inner and outer it appears, so discern carefully everything you see and hear...for the battle is fierce, the sands of time are running out, tho the big mayan cog in the sky keeps turning....

Let me leave yous with this little bit of rhema I got long time ago while having teaching dreams about the land of mira/illusion...

Dream within a dream
Yet both are the same
Inner and outer
Yet both are the illusion
Find the key, the cherished key
Find your way back home!

...................

Btw ,now off tiopic...kinda...anyone know anything about the pink water lilly? I seen the white 1`000 water lilly in the Void of pre-creation, rounded petals....huge, I almost got ran over my it...lol. It's petals are shimmering white, with a rainbow colour shimmering on the underside of each petal.

This pink one is different...it has very pointy petals...and many as well...more than the 1000 petal one even.....it is soo huge it goes beyond my seer vision...In this pink water littly of the ethers...from deep within its petals are streams of pure white light that radiate thru these petals and beyond them! So a violet, and pink colour, and with lots of white rays streaming thru the petals and beyond them. It very slowly opens too....With this came rhema....the struggles of this mortal life are like turbulence surfaces waves of the ocean only...may the core of essence be still and calm like the depths of the ocean of solace and serenity. Also keep practicing the 6 perfections....



K, so lets keep positive...'whatever is lovely, noble and good report,dwell upon these'.... and may our paths be graced with truth, compassion aka unconditional love and wisdom....

Strangely I understand your words, lol that's quite a prerequisite to your understanding of my OP just the same.

As for the term light worker, just identifiable linguistics to bring forth many rather than few. Words do limit.

Sounds as if you have had your share's of the battle, feel free to post away, and know tha I am just a U2u away, I would love to talk further.

Thankyou for your contribution and support.

Btw, I figured this thread was slowing down and yet today I discovered an interesting UTube video about the portals or dimensional gates closing. I do not know about the souce, yet found it worthy of consideration.

The dates were also of interest. Not a good time to let down our guards...

reply to post by etherial_mists


Erm I really dont know what to say at the minute..except thank you for your insight and I will no doubt have many questions I just need to read your post again...possibly several times!

I do believe your right, there are many tests, many stages... some appear as very lucid dreams but dreams they are not. They are so cryptic and difficult to understand..I wish these tests were easier or at least easier to understand. Half the time Im left wondering if im totally failing, going down the complete wrong path.

The kundalini energy does bother me, can lower entities ride along it, use it as a tool to manipulate us. Yes this does worry me a lot. Ive spoke to my higher self more recently, my spirit guides to help and aid me in this fight, because thats what this is a fight, a war almost. A war without guns and bombs but a war that has great energies.

Originally posted by etherial_mists
The lower astral have been very busy for some time. As a seer I had seen the hordes on the terrains of the underworld, and then released from that domain!

I have also seen many etheric warriors die on the astral battlefield....so the battle has its costs of many souls lost/perished...

This is scary, I have always been led to believe we can not become harmed on the astral plane, even when in battle. Whatever happens there is astral and we always return to our bodies...unless you are referring to actual astral entities here. Even so they will still have souls and to loose these in an astral battle is not something I was aware of. Do these astral entities know this can happen to them when they accept these battles?

I was once attacked by a horrible black dark entity, it was sucking the very life out of me, it was actually giving me the kiss of death. I escaped it once but the second time it found me I could not escape its grasp and I felt like the life was being sucked out of me. Suddenly a male figure appeared almost in grey scale and took it off me, who this was I have no idea. Do you have any ideas who this could have been or what it could have been? Who ever it was I am very thankfull to them.

It is the fear that drives these entities. The second you get rid of your fears is the second they are defeated from this plane of existence.

This is the reason they mock you ridicule you to get a rise out of you. Next time you come across them emulate their every action and see what they do.

Negative images and what not are only bad things if you view them as such. If you look at them with an open eye and as neutral just to experience them you will not fear them.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.

Love and Light,

Cole

reply to post by CPYKOmega


Couldn't agree more. Fear is the motivating factor that allows them to exist. Move without fear and your energy does not draw in any hostile influences. I have noticed during meditation that fear being a retracting action draws in hostility and malevolent energy. It seems that during mediation the mind is moving both forward and expanding. The act of being fearful creates notches in the flow of your energy which invites attachment these unwanted entities.

Also regarding the astral planes I have noticed a pattern start to develop and would be interested if anyone else has noticed this. It has to do with the wake of energy that is left behind by light beings. Has anyone noticed that the subjects around them seem to be able to pick up on it, especially if you are moving with purpose. Also has anyone noticed any organised diversions in the astral worlds with malevolent intent.

I believe we may well pass through some of these astral worlds during ascension so I think its important that we realise not only the tactics that take place there but also understand how best to progress through such realms. My findings to date are that again 'they' depend on the energy of light beings to hold their soul (if you can call it that) together. They are literally on the brink of blinking out of existence, which of course is the plan, but that doesn't mean they don't put up a fight when it comes to keeping a light being on their plane of existence. The sooner we realize this and the power of energy/light the better.

Can negative energy piggy-back on your own energy? Oh yeah. Does it have to do specifically with the kundalini...nope! If you're harboring negativity, it's all yours not the technique. If you're meditating correctly and clearing your mind, that negativity shouldn't be a factor though...

Lost souls in battle on the lower astrals? Now exactly how did that kind of thing go about happening if you wouldn't mind sharing...I may need to see some documentation on that one. Manifestation of a scratch is hard enough let alone completely enveloping a soul in some form.

Originally posted by Shakesbeer
Can negative energy piggy-back on your own energy? Oh yeah. Does it have to do specifically with the kundalini...nope! If you're harboring negativity, it's all yours not the technique. If you're meditating correctly and clearing your mind, that negativity shouldn't be a factor though...

Negative energy? I did not say negative energy riding on ones kundalini , I said it concerns me that entities can ride along with it...not negative in any way or form. I do not harbour negative energy, nor seek it. I am very positive in my meditation, why would I even think negative thoughts during meditation, there is no point or use to negativity ever.

My point is this, the kundalini energy can at times be very strong, not always but some times and it concerns me that these lower astrals link into it for the energy rush this may give them. I dont know why it concerns me because this life force energy is unlimited, we are constantly connected to it through our chakras so even if lower astrals were riding along on our kundalini energy it shouldnt really cause us a problem.

No please do not think I am connecting to negative entities , this is not what I said and is definatly not the case. Occasionally I have come across very dark astrals but this is not usually in meditation.

reply to post by Mr Green


I'm not making the statement at you or about you or anything so please don't take it like that. There's just so much information here that it gets confusing for people who might just be getting familiar with the concepts that are being discussed. The subject of the thread is pretty heavy and does tread in some "darker" areas shall we say, so I'm just making a statement for those who might confuse some of the practices mentioned here and those "dark" or "negative" influences/energies. So that message is more for the readers who don't necessarily reply to this thread but will read it.

Some of the secondary discussion in relation to the topic could have been seen to mean something it obviously did not(like the kundalini thing). Not to say anything you wrote was misleading or anything, I'm just trying to help increase participation here and some of the concepts being discussed would fall into at least "intermediate" if not "advanced" weirdness and I'm just trying to help "whoever" follow along & not get the wrong idea about certain things.

Originally posted by Shakesbeer
reply to post by Mr Green

 

I'm not making the statement at you or about you or anything so please don't take it like that. There's just so much information here that it gets confusing for people who might just be getting familiar with the concepts that are being discussed. The subject of the thread is pretty heavy and does tread in some "darker" areas shall we say, so I'm just making a statement for those who might confuse some of the practices mentioned here and those "dark" or "negative" influences/energies. So that message is more for the readers who don't necessarily reply to this thread but will read it.

Thank you thats not a problem then. I do not wish to be seen as negative as this is something I am not.

As individuals we must fear nothing and reject negative influences when we sense them within us. This i know is easier said than done, but to do it does liberate you from many a lower astrals hold. Sending out love and light not only raises your spirit it protects you. Many entites see love especially when formed from a shield of white light from the heart, they see it shinning bright, it becomes a beacon for them and if they dont resonate with it they will be forced to leave you alone. As long as we keep our love strong and our light bright and loose our fear many lower astrals will have little chance with us.

First work on the fear, then over time as you become more confident just sense them and send out love. I have found this to work many times. Never understimate the power of pure unconditional love in the form of radiant white light.

I believe the one essential thing here is discernment or discriminating what is a good influence or a bad influence. There are definitely honest spirits and dishonest ones and having the upper hand in telling the difference is a major advantage.

The 'right' or 'wrong' way of meditating is left up to how efficient the practice is and for me and Mr Green especially we find our particular way and I will note in our view is the best technique for us. We find that it provides happiness and honesty through the highest forms of spirits on the seventh plane or as we call them Saints.

It all depends on what works for the person and how self betterment is achieved depending on the technique, this of course is up to the individual

reply to post by Mr Green


Thank you thats not a problem then. I do not wish to be seen as negative as this is something I am not.

Totally agree there as the system we use for meditation does not encourage negativity but encourages to fight against it with love. On the acceptance front anyone and everyone will at some point get opposition and this goes for either spiritual people or religious.

If I get attacked for straying from the dogma that lies in todays world and learn how to defend myself with love, Im definitely for 'fighting with love'. Meditation is a way in which we relieve issues and problems which negative influences can try and pass onto people.

Therefore negative influences know that meditation is a way to escape their astral attacks so of course they will try to stop people from meditating, its rejecting bad influences and I think thats what it is all about.

And please people don't go for this 'trust yourself you don't need help' garbage that so many try to justify on their start or continuation of their spiritual journey. You can either walk blind with no guidance and stumble your way through life or walk with guidance and learn to walk a straight and focused path

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