Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

The Truth About Georgia

People people...


There is a cease-fire on the battlefield...

Stop the war in here now...

Quit making demands...

reply to post by jetxnet

How else do you think Russia mobilized 200 warplanes, and over 1000 tanks in just a few hours strking pretdetermined targets?

ROFL...

Well let's see now, most current Russian fighters and bombers travel over Mach 1.5, so that means even if their stationed on the North Pole, they'll reach South Ossetia in 5 or 6 hours.

And Russia's huge fleet of heavy-lifting aircraft like the Antonov An-22/70/124 can carry huge payloads of men and materials to warzones in very short times.

Russia has 56 An-124's, that can each carry 171 tons of cargo. More than enough tanks, ammunition and weaponry to wage war with God himself.

I see you have yet to discover the marvels of modern aircraft engineering. Please EDUCATE yourself...

200 Warplanes 1,000 tanks even Somalia could mobilise in 2 days, that's not a great logistical feat.
Look at what the US mobilised in 3 days prior to the Iraq invasion.

[edit on 12/8/08 by The Godfather of Conspira]

What is this turning into?, there are plenty of other threads on the Rusi/Georgia subject,if you choose to bicker and take shots at each other, i suggest go elsewhere, many of us have worked hard to keep this thread as informative and neutral as possible. go fight somewhere else

Originally posted by Absence of Self
Sorry to interrupt, but can anyone confirm this one as fake?

Some poor bloke from all accounts.

I seen it yesterday and was kinda curious.
(Background noise sounds kind of odd to me)

If you can a reference would be nice.

Cheers.

What i got from it is that he claims that Georgia attack them(his village or something) while he and his village is Georgian , so to blame that Russians did it .
Really cant give much credibility as there is no real proof of the video or where it is coming from

Now that the war is finished, the most intersting part becoming to unfold. The politics taking place now, The actuall moment of truth that going to show all these polititians that were shouting slogans and threats, only now we gonna get to see whos got the big balls to handle it. There many important decisions to be made and many things to change. That war brought a flip to many relationships across the world.The war of words have started

[edit on 12-8-2008 by Russian Boy]

Originally posted by buddhasystem
I have no intent to engage in anti US propaganda. If you are curious, go ahead and read up on the history of "rose revolution" in Georgia (including the link I already posted) and you'll find that the NGOs in Georgia, with the US' financial backing, did the deed. And that's the fact (albeit difficult to digest, to some).

Thw World Socialist Web Site WSWS...is what you sourced. Yeah, that sounds like a real reputable source. Try again!

[edit on 12-8-2008 by LiquidMirage]

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Aww don't tell me my wifes getting involved

reply to post by buddhasystem



and your point is?

my point is they are both puppets... regardless of who is moving the strings, and they are dancing to the tune of their puppet masters. That is the point I was trying to make.

Originally posted by LiquidMirage
Thw World Socialist Web Site WSWS...is what you sourced. Yeah, that sounds like a real reputable source. Try again!

Methinks it is you who should try to use Google, but what the heck:

www.cdi.org...

Pretty un-Socialist, huh? They are hosting this:

www.cdi.org...

...and this was written in 2004:

Sadly, Saakashvili's approach to asserting Georgian sovereignty contains more than echoes of Soviet practice. More recent blood-soaked disasters in his country's history seem to set a precedent. On Aug. 14, 1992, the Georgian government's conflict with Abkhazia escalated from words to armed combat when Tbilisi sent its motley army into the coastal region to assert Georgian sovereignty. The orgy of murder, plunder and rape that followed engendered a bitter Abkhazian backlash. One year later, the Georgian army had fled and a third of a million Georgian-speaking civilians followed the defeated rabble out of Abkhazia.

Despite his bloodthirsty rhetoric directed at Georgia's two breakaway regions, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Saakashvili enjoys bipartisan support in Washington. Even at the height of a bitter domestic election campaign, the supporters of both U.S. President George W. Bush and challenger John Kerry have nothing but praise for the Columbia Law School alumnus. George Soros may have pledged millions to oust Bush, but he has boasted that his money helped to install Saakashvili in power last November. The Open Society Institute helped train the protesters who toppled Eduard Shevardnadze to the applause of the Bush White House.

[edit on 12-8-2008 by buddhasystem]

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Ohh Christ, now you come to me with more websites that sing to the tune of your own personal bias. Give me a break will you! I already know about the rose revolution since I keep up with world events as they happen and I'm educated enough to know what constitutes a reputable source. That's something you are obviously lacking. Try reading something other then web based materials that only tell you want you want to hear and whatever paints the U.S. and your all around boogeyman!

[edit on 8/12/2008 by The Crow]

Originally posted by LiquidMirage
Try reading something other then web based materials that only tell you want you want to hear

Sure, I could switch to FOX...

Just kidding.

Judging by the lack of substantive news links in three pages, and the fact that only three pages have accrued in the last four or five hours, one could assume that nothing new has happened that's worth posting. Here's a few news links.

Confirmation that the U.S. has cancelled its joint naval exercise with Russia

The United States also cancelled a joint naval exercise with Russia to show its disapproval of Moscow's military actions in Georgia, U.S. officials said.

"There is no way in good conscience that we could proceed with a joint naval exercise given the state of this crisis," a senior U.S. defense official said on Tuesday, speaking on condition of anonymity as no official announcement has yet been made.

The United States would like to see Russia's plans to integrate into international organisations succeed, but "that's what's at stake when Russia engages in behaviour that looks like it's from another time," the official said.

www.alertnet.org...

Both Georgia and Russia have now agreed to the cease-fire, however Georgia is unhappy with certain details of the agreement and further negotiation will be ongoing:

Russia and Georgia have agreed a truce brokered by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, and have approved the principles of a full peace plan.

The exact details of the proposals appeared to be still under discussion.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili suggested some details agreed by Russia were unacceptable and said the document needed fleshing out.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Abkhazi forces say they do not plan to push further now that they have driven Georgian forces from Kodori gorge:

Abkhazian military have completed an operation to force Georgian troops from the disputed Kodori Gorge area, the only part of the province still controlled by Georgia. The president of the breakaway republic Sergey Bagapsh says Abkhazia has no intention of going further.

russiatoday.com...

So things, at the very least, sound encouraging. That's a huge relief to my mind. The only things I'm worried about now are a) possible reignitions of the conflict in the future, and b) what measures the E.U. and U.S. may take in an effort to sanction or punish Russia, and in turn, what Russia may do to chastise the West for what it has said it perceives as a pro-Georgian bias.

Try reading something other then web based materials that only tell you want you want to hear and whatever paints the U.S. and your all around boogeyman!

Sorry, but the US is the sole superpower, so they act like one. Being in EVERYONE's affair, trying to play everyone against everyone... corrupting leaders, staging false-flag operations, making propaganda... Sorry but the US government is not God, even if you believe they are. They're corrupt motherfarkers who like death, corruption and war.

Here is a great webpage with many images from the war.

[edit on 12-8-2008 by Vitchilo]

Here is the latest ive seen:

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August 12, 2008, 11:41 PM (GMT+02:00)


Georgian president addresses mass rally in Tbilisi
DEBKAfile’s exclusive military sources reveal that Russia has massed a fleet of warships and marine forces opposite the semi-autonomous Gerogian Black Sea region of Ajaria.

Moscow is preparing to punish what it regards as Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili’s further provocations by occupying this coastal strip on Georgia’s southwestern border with Turkey.

The appearance of Ukraine’s president Viktor Yushchenko alongside Saakashvili, leaders of the pro-Western Orange and Rose Revolutions, at a huge national rally outside the Georgian parliament in Tbilisi Tuesday night, Aug. 12, may well be seen by the Kremlin as over the top.
More...

Click on www.debka.com to read the whole story

is there anymore news about the war coming in?, or are we just going on and on about nothing.

Originally posted by The Crow

[edit on 8/12/2008 by The Crow]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow that image says it all right there. Great find star for you.

Hmm... The politics certainly have started, even just here a few seem to be slinging shots about army capabilities and so forth, and who was right, who was wrong, etc etc.

That's all pointless, this thread is for updates.

Bottom line is, it's finished (for now) and there's over 100,000 people displaced.

I don't think anyone, especially Saakashvili, expected Russia's response. Superior/inferior army compared to the US nor not, Russia mobilized pretty damn quickly - anyone without a US chest-beating bias can see that.

Saakashvili is going to have to reconsider his leadership. There was a rally of 150,000 people or so to support him, but any population on the planet would support its leader in a time of war.

I'd say his allies in the West would be asking what the hell Saakashvili was thinking. He started something he couldn't win and couldn't finish, and it's resulted in massive retaliation, while just hiding in his bunker waiting for his friends to come and help.

The Russians don't wont to negotiate with him - and the Russians aren't going to come out of South Ossetia, and the Georgians aren't going to give it up.

That's obviously a recipe for a future conflict unless the two sides talk.

US, allies weigh punishment for Russia

Scrambling to find ways to punish Russia for its invasion of pro-Western Georgia, the United States and its allies are considering expelling Moscow from an exclusive club of powerful nations (G8???) and canceling an upcoming joint NATO-Russia military exercise, Bush administration officials said Tuesday.

So so so... Russia to be ``punished`` for defending itself. When over 1.600 of their people were killed. It's like a half-9/11... and they don't have the right to defend themselves. How hypocrit.

And americans on this board are totally biaised... when America invade another country, it's for freedom and when another does the same thing, it's a war crime. And mostly america does it under lies and Russia did it under real circumstances.

Also, I don't understand why americans believe that their nutjob administration IS america when it's totally not the case. Was Hitler Germany? Of course not, he hijacked the german government.