War in Georgia

Originally posted by Attari

Originally posted by bruxfain

PS. Islam can go # itself and the horse it rode in on.

What you on about there?

If you talking about kosova,well its an independant Islamic nation now with full backing of EU.So russians and Serbs can go and shuv their little heads down the T bowl.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by Attari]

That's a general statement that has been tickling me lately. Saakashvilli is a traitor who is trying to pull the West into another conflict in the region. Why do you think he want's to join Nato? My guess is so that he can arrange an attack on his country and pull the Alliance into fighting a war against Russia and others. Can't you see. Saakashvilli and Ahmadinejad probably have secret meetings all the time trying to set the sh!t up.

But America issued its standard response to similar situations and that's about all that's going to happen for now. the Security Council will not save Georgia on this. and yet another Islamic plot is about to blow up in their faces.

PS. Eat this Muhammed!!

Originally posted by bruxfain
PS. Islam can go # itself and the horse it rode in on.

What does Islam have to do with Georgians? Both Georgia and Ossetia are Orthodox Christian, just like us Ruskies.

LATEST UPDATE FROM RUSSIAN AND PRO-S.OSSETIA SOURCES:

-Keep in mind - these sources add their own spin. I am not going to say they present everything fairly. However the only journalists in the conflict zone with the exception of a few from BBC and Reuters, are Russian.


RIA News

ITAR TASS

Rosbalt News (in Russian only and somewhat nationalistic)

Journalistic Bureau of South Ossetia Government (separatists' spin)



ITAR TASS reports 12 dead and over 50 wounded Russian troops. If that total includes the ten peacekeepers killed by artillery fire yesterday it would mean that only 2 Russian soldiers die during today's fighting. This may mean that the fighting is not as fierce as innitially reported, or that Georgian troops are avoiding engagement with Russians and instead are focusing on attacking the separatist forces. Either way I suspect this innitial casualty figure is underestimated and will go up quickly once the Russian peacekeepers move into Tskhinvali and south and East of the city where the Georgian forces are massed.


RIA News reports that Russia cut off all transportation (including air) links to Georgia. Meanwhile a stead stream of refugees from South Ossetia are still entering Russia. It is reported that some thousands of refugees are still unable to get out due to Georgian shelling and heavy fire, and there are unconfirmed reports of refugees in several villages being attacked outright.

There is alot of confusion of where exactly the majority of Georgian forces are. Innitially today there were reports of Georgians retreating, but now the fighting has intensified again in the evening which may mean they are trying to hold their ground near Tskhinvalli.

Besides the contingent of Russian armor that entered the conflict zone in the afternoon, there was no reported large border crossings by the Russian army. However the airforce is intensifying its efforts. Also there is no word if Abkhazian division which supposedly left to aid S. Ossetia has arrived yet.

UN has reached no conlusion (surprise surprise) and is continuing to preside on the issue. No progress in UN talks is expected by either side, at least for the next day.

Reports of ethnical cleansing by Georgian troops are still unconfirmed, but there is vague footage of many dead civilians in several smaller isolated towns to the north and east of Tskhinvali. It is unkown whether this is due to Georgian artillery or infiltration by Georgian ground forces.

Georgian forces have left Tskhinvalli, and except for refugees and wounded the city is empty and large destroyed. Dead civilians are seen on the streets. Russian troops and humanitarian aid is expected to enter the city this night, as long as there is no artillery attack from Georgia.

Unconfirmed and seemingly false reports by Georgia of hundreds of dead after Russian air strikes against military targets around Tbilisi and south of S.Ossetia. There is footage of some lightly injured Georgian troops in the hospital, but so far that's it.

Similarly seeming false reports are coming from the separatists saying thousands are dead from Georgian attacks. Most likely numbers are put at hundreds of civilians and hundreds of S. Ossetia militia. However nothing can be confirmed untill the fighting subsides and reporters and peacekeepers are able to assess the area. Georgian attacks appear to be quick hit-and-run strikes, likely to avoid retaliation from the Russian airforce and local militia.

President Medvedev confirmed that humanitarian aid is being dispatched to South Ossetia and refugees in North Ossetia. Medvedev also declared that he wants justice served to those responsible for killing 10 Russian peacekeepers when Georgia began artillery fire 24 hours ago. this likely means that Russia will seek to bring Saakashvilli to international justice for these criminal acts, and will break off all communication and negotiation with his government.


Georgia has practically declared war, short of an official declaration. Russia so far has not hinted that it intends to declare war, and likely will not declare war since its efforts are confined at securing South Ossetia. Saakashvilli has declared national mobilization, yet little is happening on Georgia's side and Tbilisi is relatively quiet. There are reports that political opposition is preparing mass protests and calls for Saakashvilli to immediately relinquish power and step down, and possibly leave the country. This could place Georgia on the brink of Civil war and yet another coup.


U.S. calls for a stop to war, likely forgeting that it has its own two wars to attend to. U.S. is also quiet about the fact that Condoleezza Rice was the one who gave the go ahead for Georgia to attack a month ago. U.S. is pretending to be an outside peacekeeper.

Caucasus neighbors with similarly unstable potential conflicts - Armenia and Azerbaijan, are staying quiet. Abkhazia is fully mobilized and reports that it is ready to engage Georgian troops. However it appears that it will not open a second front and attack Georgia right now. Perhaps its actions are being coupled with Russian strategy.

reply to post by Terrapop


When did that happened?!

BBC: Georgian reporting that Russia has started to bomb "civilian targets" in Georgia.

Originally posted by I3LiP
reply to post by Fulcrum29

 

Georgia is effectively engaged in a civil war.

Russia effectively invaded a country.


There is quite a difference.

Civil War? That's funny how you put that. You claim it's civil war because Georgia rightfully controls Southern Ossetia right? Yet with that mind set I can claim RUSSIA is in a civil war because Russia rightfully controls/owns Georgia since Georgia was part of the Russian owned Soviet Union and broke away just like Southern Ossetia broke away from Georgia. See the hypocrisy of your statement?

Another excellent post from maloy the propagandist!

Apparently it's the fault of The United States that Russia is invading Georgia, or that Georgia decided to finally reclaim control of part of its country.

Originally posted by maloy
Why is not the U.S. calling for a ceasefire?

IT IS.

Huh? I think your lost,russia has good dealings with ahmadinejad and also trades hi tech weps which israel is tryna stop at the moment.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by bruxfain
PS. Islam can go # itself and the horse it rode in on.

What does Islam have to do with Georgians? Both Georgia and Ossetia are Orthodox Christian, just like us Ruskies.

Saakashvilli is following cues from Shiite Islamic Iran. Georgia, the western Aligned, "Christian" state joins Nato, provokes a war with Russia, invokes Article 6. WWIII. But noone will help that fool and hopefully Russia won't pull out this time.

Religious labels mean nothing in the power game. and only a damned fool would be apart of what's happening over there right now, given everything that has happened and is happening. Saakashvilli is dirty.

reply to post by TruthIsNeverTooHorrible


Is it possible not to bring the end times, the anti-Christ, Jesus and Co into this thread please?

This has nothing to do with religion.

Please son you wish. The only reason the American invasion of Bagdad recently even worked so well is because as everyone knows the U.S. paid off most of the highest ranking generals and so all the units surrendered or dispersed after the shock and awe stage so there really was no defensive force anyway. Otherwise it wouldn't have been as easy as many claim. America with 'kids gloves'? That's a laugh, that's why the American forces are almost broken and strained to the point of destruction and suicide and desertion rates are at their highest in the u.s. military. LOL you are deluded my friend.

reply to post by Attari



Yeah Iran and Russia do have excellent relations. And is that supposed to mean that Iran wouldn't love to use Russia as a tool against the west? A blunt instrument. My scenario is consistent with everthing you see in the world. Only my assertion that Saakashvili and Ahmadinejad are somehow connected is suspect. What are Georgia and Irans public relations like?

reply to post by bruxfain


LOL Where do you get this stuff...?!

I'm sorry but yeah...

Originally posted by infinite
BBC: Georgian reporting that Russia has started to bomb "civilian targets" in Georgia.

I have just got off the phone with a friend of mine who currently lives in Tbilisi. He says there has been no bombing of the city right now, and the city hospitals have not received any wounded. He confirms that there is footage of some destruction at a military air base near Tbilisi, from which Georgia launched air strikes against S. Ossetia. Gori has been subjected to an air strike, because that is where the majority of offensive Georgian forces are based. So far no confirmed strikes against any civilian Georgian targets.

He also states that political opposition to Saakashvilli is preparing some sort of protest against him. There is increased police and special forces prensence on the streets. An airplane bound for Moscow left immediately before the air links between the two countries were cut at midnight. No more flights are scheduled.

Georgian media is reporting a lot, but so far has little to no footage to back up its claims. Only footage is of Saakashvilli visiting some injured troops in the hospital.

Russia Today TV world really well...
Thanks for the tip.

reply to post by maloy


Thank you for confirming some of the air strikes in Georgia I was sceptical of claims that Russia would start targeting civilians - who a significant minority are pro-Russia.

reply to post by Fulcrum29


Deluded about what? Instead of me putting more on your plate at this time you should really go back and read your post and then my response.

As far as suicides and desertions however I will tell you this. It doesn't matter. If you knew anything about how war works you'd understand why so many people out on the battle field and back home would rather commit suicide than live another day. When you are older you'll understand that some people don't have any hope, no future, and are better off dead. Even if they got lucky enough to at one time in their lives call themselves American soldiers. But don't think for one minute that means anything to us. We'll always be here.


PS. [-snip-] Islam!!!

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[edit on 8/8/2008 by Gools]

One of my friend's wife is in Tbilisi right now visiting relatives so I'm apprehensive of what's going on in Tbilisi and if it's being bombed?

The whole thing stinks of hipocracy if the west do not condemn Georgia for launching that attack on Tskhinvali . They were all too ready to grant kosova independence from serbia and those albanians were only very recent immigrants, becoming the majority in the 1960's . In South Ossetia , the majority russian ethnic group from the don river area have been there since the 13th century . So if kosova have that right of a seperate state by virtue of being the majority group for a few decades , South Ossetia's right must be unquestionable.

If Mexico were a communist state with a small enclave seperatist state populated by 'ethnic' americans bordering on Texas that wished to be america was bombed and shelled by mexico, do you think the USA would stand by just tut tutting, or would they go in and rescue their 'ethnic' american brothers and sisters ?

What would they think, if say Russia was arming those mexicans to attack that seperatist state and would they ask them to stay out of the region and it's affairs ?



[edit on 8-8-2008 by Gun Totin Gerbil]

Originally posted by Johnmike
Another excellent post from maloy the propagandist!

Thank you. Now let me get back to supporting the evil KGB commies who are plotting to invade and rape Georgia together with the terrorists. The evil zionists are watching this carefully from their mothership in the northpole, and are plotting to have NATO declare war against Iran because of this.

Call what I say propaganda if you may, but I am reporting news I hear. You are resorting to insults backed by little more than sheer ignorance.

I posted this thread of impending war about 12 hours before CNN and FOX picked up the story.

Originally posted by Johnmike
Apparently it's the fault of The United States that Russia is invading Georgia

Russia is invading Georgia? Really? Proof? All I see on the news are Russian peacekeepers moving into S.Ossetian capital by request of S.Ossetian government to prevent ethnical cleansing.

Originally posted by Johnmike
,that Georgia decided to finally reclaim control of part of its country.

...knowing well enough that it would lead to bloodshen and innocent deaths.