An Attempt to Debunk Chemtrails For Good

Weedwhacker do you think it could be trails along the same lines as wing tip vortices?

en.wikipedia.org...

I have seen some images of planes with large streams of trails emanating from the entire wing, not just the tips, so im thinking this may be a possible scenario

Actually just found this on the wiki link too

Some technical writers use the alternative expression "trailing vortices" because these vortices also occur at points other than at the wing tips.

And also this one

en.wikipedia.org...



[edit on 22/8/2008 by OzWeatherman]

[edit on 22/8/2008 by OzWeatherman]

And everyone should be aware of this too. Aircraft condensation cloud, has a good description so I wont go into it

www.atoptics.co.uk...

reply to post by OzWeatherman


Oz....the wingtip vortices are always there.....whether or not visible, depends on the humidity, or saturation of the air....but you know more about that, as pertains to saturation.

There are times when you'll see small vortices visible from, say.....the tips of the flaps for instance. This sort of visible condensation effect is very short-lived, and only occurs at the lower altitudes.

Everyone knows, I hope.....that the maximum humidity level of air is 100%

The ability of air to hold moisture (water vapor) is dependant on pressure and temperature.....

Because of the influence of a wing, or the various parts of the wing through the air, it can cause localized compression, thus moisture will precipate out. And subsequently re-evaporate.

The effects, at high altitudes, of the hot engine exhaust in the atmosphere is an entirely different matter.

Now, this is off the top of my head....perhaps than will be mistakes, any furthur clarity is welcomed.

reply to post by weedwhacker


What about this:

UFOs have been videoed spraying chemicals, that is making a trail.

This is skunk works... real plane territory is left behind.

Pilots just fly and have no control over what is hooked up to
engines to spray more chemicals in the air.

WW
The YT poster says its a plane:

www.youtube.com...

While filming Chemtrails I caught a couple planes flying over.
I should say 1 plane a 1 strange flying, Glowing Cube.


The YT poster said its a plane and already let one post mention UFO.
If he said UFO, people would say he was delusional and laughed at.

I made a post but doubt he wants more problems.

So we have glowing cube planes now, lets keep it to ourselves.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


UFOs spraying....OK, will grant you that. by definition of a 'UFO' (hint...doesn't always mean it's from outer space)

But, your comment about pilots not knowing....or, if I read correctly, unintentionally 'spraying' is simply wrong, as I've pointed on on more than one occasion, on these boards.

The science of your assertion falls apart when examined closely.

I have said, and will maintain, that IF there is a Government Operation of some sort, then it is THEY who are doing it, not your every-day American Airlines MD-80 overhead. Not possible. (second hint....fuel...everyone is paying very, very, very close attention to fuel, nowadays)

Many times over my own town I've seen these black leader lines in front of chemtrails being produced. It's been my observation that every time I've seen this it has been a Saturday.
www.youtube.com...




[edit on 23-8-2008 by Swingarm]

Originally posted by Swingarm
Many times over my own town I've seen these black leader lines in front of chemtrails being produced. It's been my observation that every time I've seen this it has been a Saturday.
www.youtube.com...

Another great find swing! More footage of UFOs/Chemtrails definitely a connection here. From the link you posted...


And here is one I found that shows in ASTONISHING clarity a UFO by a spew-plane. We are getting closer here I think. Please be careful of how you form your posts though TesslaandLyne, last night I checked 4 times... Half your post with the CIA links was ONLY VIEWABLE whilst I was logged in. When I checked when logged out the half of your post with the CIA links was MISSING!! 4 times I checked that... stay alert we are getting nearer the truth.




Best Wishes.

reply to post by TrueLight


More UFO near trail video



Can't work this one out, it appears to split in the middle and turn.. TesslaandLyne?

[edit on 23-8-2008 by TrueLight]

reply to post by TrueLight


This thread is the Ultimate compendium of chemtrail theories, testimonies and most importantly; Excellent Sources and Links.

I would not doubt that this sort of information makes certain people uncomfortable when it begins to coalesce as it has.

Your efforts no doubt have earned you place on a list somewhere, as no doubt have my own. Given the persistent presence of certain debunkists who display clear patterns in their mode of operation and willingness to contribute the same talking points hundreds of times per annum - this is indicative of a greater agenda...

..And not a benevolent agenda. But an evil one, created by evil men.

Truelight, Your efforts and those of Swingarm have served to unmask the main 'Obfusticae Maldatus' on this thread by forcing them to play all of their cards. You have come at them from every angle, forcing them to reveal their tactics which has allowed us to develop effective counters.

This thread has been made into an effective tool.

You know you are over the target when you start catching the heavy flak.

[edit on 23-8-2008 by TruthTellist]

Originally posted by TrueLight

Here is the list so far of supporting links provided by Chemtrail Theorists to this discussion PART1

(For the benefit of newcomers)

www.chycho.com... - Germany admits chemtrail operations

www.rense.com... - Chemtrails coming out the closet

www.evergreenaviation.com... - Evergreen aviation spray planes

home.iae.nl... - Chemical testing admitted

thomas.loc.gov...:H.R.2977.IH: - Kucinich bill HR.2977

globalresearch.ca... - Weather modification

weatherwars.info... - weatherwars

www.redding.com... - news article

www.bbsradio.com... - radio article

www.holmestead.ca... - chem link

members.aol.com... - chem link 2

educate-yourself.org... - educate yourself chemlink 3

www.holmestead.ca... - evergreen cia front

www.carnicom.com... - carnicom 1

www.abovetopsecret.com... - ats thread

www.holmestead.ca... - more cia link

www.carnicom.com... - carnicom 2

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com... - forbidden knowledge chemtrails link

www.alienzoo.com... - alien zoo link

home.iae.nl... - chemical testing admission

www.sourcewatch.org... - cia links

www.lewrockwell.com... - cia tie in 2

www.abovetopsecret.com... - another ats thread

www.bariumblues.com... - barium blues

www.abovetopsecret.com... - bioweapons tested on citizens

www.carnicom.com... - aircraft mechanics claim

www.apfn.org... - biological experiments on citizens

foia.state.gov... - foia link

www.lib.berkeley.edu... - declassified documents

www.wramc.army.mil... - walter reed army docs

www.wramc.army.mil... -

creeping nematodes

www.chemtrailcentral.com... - Chemtrail central

weatherwars.info... - weather wars

www.youtube.com... - scott stevens youtube vid

illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com... - alt chemtrail view

www.rense.com... - weather modification rense

www.chycho.com... - german army admits spraying

news.bbc.co.uk... - usa admits chem weapons testing

www.timesonline.co.uk... - times online article

globalresearch.ca... - canadian site

www.abovetopsecret.com... - ATS thread

www.infowars.com... - info wars link

en.wikipedia.org... - wiki chemtrails

www.youtube.com... youtube vid , toxic sky

www.metacafe.com... toxic sky part 2

video.google.com... google video, clouds of death

www.bariumblues.com... haarp patent

www.montalk.net... montalk cloudbusting info

www.youtube.com... youtube search cloudbusting

www.freepatentsonline.com... patents list

www.patentstorm.us... patents list 2

video.google.com...# - google video wilhelm reich

www.geocities.co.jp... torsion fields

chem11.proboards2.com... - chemtrails discussion

www.exopolitics.org.uk... - chemtrails and orbs

www.bariumblues.com... orbs photo'd

www.youtube.com... youtube vid

www.rense.com... more rense research

www.novavax.com... novax site

www.montalk.net... - chemtrails and sars

www.guardian.co.uk... - newspaper story

www.youtube.com... youtube vid

www.proliberty.com... - proliberty site

www.myhero.com... - dr rosalie bertell biography

www.youtube.com... dr rosalie bertell states chemtrails real

www.youtube.com... dr rosalie bertell on haarp

www.whale.to... chemtrails site

divinecosmos.com... david wilcock site

www.divinecosmos.com... david wilcock alt link

www.youtube.com... youtube cloudbuster search

www.youtube.com... youtube cloudbuster search 2

www.uow.edu.au... sci fraud

seattlepi.nwsource.com... sci article 1

www.nature.com... sci article 2

physicsandphysicists.blogspot.com... sci article 3

(Cont...)

Originally posted by TrueLight
reply to post by TrueLight

 

Here is the list so far of supporting links provided by Chemtrail Theorists to this discussion PART2

www.geocities.co.jp... - geocities site

montalk.net... - timeline dynamics

enterprisemission.com... nato aerosol defence

members.tripod.com... aerosol defence 2

enterprisemission.com... aerosol defence 3

montalk.net... HAARP earthquakes hurricanes

www.bariumblues.com... - reason for chemtrails

www.willthomas.net... - concern over chemtrails




Books Etc

Amazon books on chemtrails

Dr. Len Horowitz, "Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare".

A.K. Johnston, PhD. "UFO tactics: Weather Shield to Chemtrails".

K. Ya. Kondratyev, : "Climatic Effects of Aerosols and Clouds".

William Thomas, "Chemtrails Confirmed".

Tim Swartz and Timothy Beckley, "The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla: HAARP-Chemtrails and Secret of Alternative 4".

Ed Regis, "The Biology of Doom: America's Secret Germ Warfare Project".

J.D. Aber and K.J. Nadelhoffer, "Nitrogen Saturation in Northern Forest Ecosystems." Bioscience, 39 (1989) pages

378-386

American Geophysical Union, "Jet contrails to be significant climate factor by 2050," AGU press release no. 99-19,

6/21/99

R.B. Ames and W.C. Malm, "Estimating the Contribution of the Mohave Coal-fired Power Plant Emissions to Atmospheric

Extinction at Grand Canyon National Park." In Visual Air Quality" Aerosols and Global Radiation Balance, Air and

Waste Management Association, Pittsburgh, Pa., 683-697, 1997.

Marcus Dalton, "Chemtrails Are Over Las Vegas." Las Vegas Tribune, vol. 7 Issue 3, 8/19/05

S.L. Baughcum, "Subsonic aircraft emission inventories, In:Atmospheric Effects of Aviation:First Report of the

Subsonic Assessment Project." NASA RP-1385, pp. 15-29, 1996

Bill Gallagher, "Chemical Aurora Keyhole Surveillance." Arizona Indymedia, May 2004

Laura Kelly, "Mysterious powder shrouds area." The Alpenhorn News, Feb. 2006

D.M. Hunten, "Residence Times of Aerosols and Gases in the Stratosphere." Geophysical Research Letters 2(1): 26-27,

1975

A.C. Mueller, "The Effects of Particulates from Solid Rocket Motors Fired in Space." Advances in Space Research 5

(2): 77-86, 1985.

U. Schumann, "In Situ Observations of Particles in Jet Aircraft Exhausts and Contrails for Different Sulfur-

Containing Fuels." Journal of Geographical Research, Vol. 101, Issue D3, 1996.

weather mod patents


6569393-5/27/03-Method and Device for Cleaning the Atmosphere.
6520425-2/18/03-Proces and Apparatus for the Production of Nanofibers.
6412416-7/2/02-Propellant-Based Aerosol Generation Devices and Method.
6315213-11/13/01-Method of Modifying Weather.
6263744-7/24/01-Automated Mobility-Classified-Aerosol Detector.
6056203-5/2/00-Method and Apparatus for Modifying Supercooled Clouds.
6030506-2/29/00-Preparation of Independently Generated Highly Reactive Chemical Species.
5984239-11/16/99-Weather Modification by Artificial Satellite.
5762298-6/9/98-Use of Artificial Satellites in Earth Orbits Adaptively to Modify the Effect that Solar Radiation

Would Otherwise Have on Earth's Weather.
5628455-5/13/97-Method and Apparatus for Modification of Supercooled Fog.
5286979-2/15/94-Process for Absorbing Ultraviolet Radiation Using Dispersed Melanin.
5104069-4/114/92-Apparatus and Method for Ejecting Matter from an Aircraft.
5038664-8/13/94-Method for Producing a Shell of Relativisitic Particles at an Altitude Above the Earth's Surface.
4999637-3/12/91-Creation of Artificial Ionization Clouds Above the Earth.
4873928-10/17/89-Nuclear-Sized Explosions without Radiation.
4686605-8/11/87-Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, Ionosphere, and/or

Magnetosphere.
5218374-6/8/93-Power Beaming System with Printer Circuit Radiating Elements Having Resonating Cavities.

Originally posted by TruthTellist
reply to post by TrueLight

 

This thread is the Ultimate compendium of chemtrail theories, testimonies and most importantly; Excellent Sources and Links.

I would not doubt that this sort of information makes certain people uncomfortable when it begins to coalesce as it has.

I agree with you TT, I am sure though that just viewing this forum without even joining puts you on a list somewhere. I should imagine that there is probably some sort of brainstorming occurring somewhere on the best way to deal with this potential disclosure. hehe. Those UFO videos are really quite compelling IMHO.

I would respect the government more if they just came out and said "look guys we are going to kill 5.5 billion of you off". But they always have to be sneaky about things . Just kidding. Or am I



Best Wishes

EDIT nice repost TT, it is useful for newcomers to not have to search out the thread for the nectar.

[edit on 23-8-2008 by TrueLight]

I would recommend you guys to sign up here below (free).

flightaware.com...

Check it when you are watching the spraying Bet you they aren't there.

Ironically the spraying didn't start until a few tankers took off from the AFB.

The greatest hiding spot is in plain view.

UB

reply to post by utmostbastard


utmost....I seem to be beating my head against the wall....because I've mentioned that website numerous times. Gosh, hope it doesn't crash!!

People, you know where you live, if in the USA or Canada. You may also be able to research where VORs are, near you, thus you can determine the Airway structure over your heads. AND, know that airplanes don't always follow the Airways strictly, they can be given more 'direct' routes, under Radar control.

But, alas.....no one ever reads my sig.......

reply to post by Swingarm


That would be a simple shadow caused by the contrail being lit p from behind, creating a shadow. Its VERY similar to the crepuscular rays we see at dawn and dusk when clouds are around. Its more of an atmospheric optic trick than anything sinister.

www.atoptics.co.uk...
www.atoptics.co.uk...
www.atoptics.co.uk...
www.atoptics.co.uk...

www.weatherscapes.com...
www.weatherscapes.com...
Plenty of pictures and contrail shadows plus an explanation of how and why they form.

reply to post by TrueLight


Of course, until you falsify the decades old meteorological explanation for what you claim to be chemtrails you have a serious problem.

Why should someone believe an elephant is a mouse when it looks and acts like an elephant?

You need to prove it cannot be an elephant

Originally posted by GenRadek
reply to post by Swingarm

 

That would be a simple shadow caused by the contrail being lit p from behind, creating a shadow. Its VERY similar to the crepuscular rays we see at dawn and dusk when clouds are around. Its more of an atmospheric optic trick than anything sinister.

www.atoptics.co.uk...
www.atoptics.co.uk...
www.atoptics.co.uk...
www.atoptics.co.uk...

www.weatherscapes.com...
www.weatherscapes.com...
Plenty of pictures and contrail shadows plus an explanation of how and why they form.

Damn you beat me to it.

And you used the same website I use....

We should be friends

reply to post by GenRadek


Gen, let's approach this from a different perspective......

I've seen dark shadows from (GASP!!!) clouds!!!! And they appear on the ground! Shocking....

I've seen big 'ole dark clouds aproaching.....dark on the bottoms, but brilliantly lit up, from the Sun, depending on the ANGLE of the sunlight at the time! Astonishing!

And, of course, the relative angle of the view of said clouds....depending on the altitude of the viewer, and the time of day, meaning the Sun's angle is different....Fascinatiing!!

I didn't wish to seem sarcastic (well, just a little) but it is meant for a broader audience, not you of course Radek.

I'm trying to think of a comparison.....and all that comes to mind is 'illusion'.

I'm a fan of 'magic'...prestidigitation, especially. I have a fair grasp of how most 'magic' illusions are performed, especially the big staged ones.

There is relevance in my point, so bear with me, please.

It is all an illusion, in 'magic'. It's about fooling the eye. BUT, that's Entertainment. And we are amazed, and enjoy, because it's what we expected when we buy the tickets to see the performance.

However, if the eye can be 'fooled' once, then it can actually 'fool' itself as well. Has to do with, expectation and mindset....and, yes....experience.

Visual perception is a very tricky thing....but, I will let others decide, if they dare to ponder....IF a 'chemtrail' is being 'sprayed'.....and it's supposed to be secret, why is it done during the day, when aeveryone can see?