An Attempt to Debunk Chemtrails For Good

reply to post by TrueLight

Great video!
I hope more people watch it!

Weed, as you have experience in the field of commercial aviation perhaps you could tell us what is occurring in this picture. You seemed to have skipped past it. It appears that there are "contrails" coming from somewhere other than the engines. There is something on the wing.

THERE...is...some...THING.....on the wing....


What is it?

Best Wishes.

And also craftily skipped past again. Mentioned before as an innocent company that sells planes for innocent cloud-seeding. Evergreen is a front for the CIA. I've done some more research on this. This may interest you TeslaandLyne, it appears there is a UFO connection to Evergreen too. Let's examine the links...

www.sourcewatch.org... - Evergreen is a front for the CIA

www.lewrockwell.com... - Evergreen is a front for the CIA

Google it - Evergreen CIA

Here is a very nice thread about it on ATS, although, sadly it looks like it was dropped faster than a lead-balloon.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Weed, what do you think? have you ever met someone who has flown for Air America/Evergreen? You must have met a lot of people during your aviation career.

Best Wishes.

[edit on 22-8-2008 by TrueLight]

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A non sequitur and straw dog rolled into one

What is the relevance of Evergreen being owned by the CIA? It's not as though it's the only company that sells aircraft for cloud seeding is it? And we all know cloud seeding takes place.

But I thought we'd finally accepted that chemtrails means 'lines in the sky' - not crop spraying or chaff or cloud seeding or any other activity which takes place at low levels and/or is not visible from the ground.

Let's stick the the subject in hand eh?

btw not sure about that aircraft - especially out of context - could be a number of things. Could even be spraying! Though out of context it means nothing since we know lots of aircraft spray stuff. In this particular case we'd need to know, for example, the altitude of the aircraft and whether the 'lines' persist.

No offence Essan, but I directed my question about the aircraft to weedwhacker. I did that because he is the expert on commercial aviation here. I don't see any value in engaging in further speculation about this aircraft until the man gets here and comments. He will definitely be able to say whether or not it is normal to see "contrails" coming from somewhere other than the engine. I am asking just out of interest, I think we are starting to lean towards the spraying being from UFOs.

neformore, that was a screengrab from a videoclip on a recent previous page. Should be easy to find.


Best Wishes.

EDIT
Source of screengrab= uk.youtube.com...



[edit on 22-8-2008 by TrueLight]

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No probs - I just thought I'd respond to show I'm not just ignoring an 'awkward' question for which I don't have an answer

Originally posted by Essan
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No probs - I just thought I'd respond to show I'm not just ignoring an 'awkward' question for which I don't have an answer

No problem Essan, thank you, it is appreciated. Yes, it did seem that way to me, but to be honest, to me, and this is no personal slight on yourself, but, to me.... anyone who defends the government line on this raises my suspicions.

This after all, is a conspiracy site that is for uncovering government conspiracies. Occam's Razor suggests that any re-covering is going to raise eyebrows.

But I can say with certainty, IF the world's number one conspiracy site, ATS, succeeds in debunking Chemtrails... I would be happy to email every chemtrail website with a link to this post, so they can see the error of their ways.

Best Wishes.

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TeslaandLyne, I found some footage that you may find very interesting. This is following on from our theory that chemtrails may be being sprayed by UFOs.. Following on from this picture which I have reincluded for the ease of comparison....

Source= www.whale.to...


This footage I have found seems to show the same UFO trail-spraying phenomenon....



Any ideas TesslaandLyne? It is quite compelling.

Peace

Does a DC-9 make trails?
Well just in time for a cross over it looks like.
Just to fool people away from the spooky Tesla flier.

A Glowing Caterpillar from outer space....
I jest.
That is a find.
And look at the downer You tube posts.
Oops not too bad, not many negative posts yet.
I check if downer posts are from UK, probably Intel up to dis info as usual.

That's how it happens, film for fun and you catch something.

What about a pre planned video shoot to cause dis info...
I don't think so. Anything that gets caught, the Intel swoops
down on to ridicule. Its their job.

The propulsion is electrostatic... and a glowing one as Tesla showed many
a times to Mark Twain how special electricity goes through the air.


I was just think tanking energy sources as the Illuminati might be doing.
If HHO and water to hydrogen take over, what is their game plan.
They must be planning to put water deprivation in our minds.

Electrostatics will work for flight but electrical generation from alpha
emissions or even UV induced from air might work. However, electrical
drive cars just do not seem as attractive as the piston drives we have now.

I saw a yellow caterpillar the other day in the grass but looking
up I saw a layer of cloud most likely from trail making.

The Tesla flier is top secret and they can have it, its the lies and
cover up of Tesla and his technology that shows the true colors
of the Illuminati to stay in control of science.

Wow.. that's some trail making apparatus..

You could smoke out an army with that.. but armies are on the ground.

Who needs it.. sky writing is so rare its pathetic.
Coney Island hardly sees any.

CIA and the latest spray master 2000?
Well.. CIA is CIA what don't they do.

Running roughshod over our skies with chemical trail making planes
just to have regular UFO flights go unnoticed.

Or do we need more astronauts to join the chorus of alien contact.

Its not so boggling.

ED: Well, true. People are terrorized by chem trails as the net is
full of complaints.



[edit on 8/22/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

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This Evergreen has been noticed before.
Giving rides to dictators.
We shall sit and watch who gets their next ride.

Ever since Truman got the CIA by way of Hitler,
the world and governments are their play ground.

Enjoy the live show everyone.

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neformore, thanks for clearing up the mercury fuel dumping picture. I had a sneaky feeling that might be the explanation. At least you have proved that Rense cannot be discounted as a source of information. Thanks

neformore, if the UFOs are normal planes then why are they glowing. If the wings are painted sky coloured then why has the fusilage been painted with glow-in-the-dark paint. You can see the difference in luminousity with a standard plane in the video? Some camoufage, reminds me of a firefly. Nice try though. I think TeslaandLyne is nearer the mark. Best Wishes.

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TL.....I do not know the exact nature of that airplane, and why something is coming from the wings at those two points.

OK....here's a stab in the dark.....it has four engines, and from the profile it looks to be a Boeing design, not an Airbus.

The profile also does not appear to be a B747, so that leaves only one possible subject....a B707 (or variant of one). Nobody flies the B707 anymore.....except for the variant I mentioned....and that would be the US Military.

Would help to learn where you found that photo....and the context.

ADDING.....I have no experience with the B707....I believe the typical airline version could dump fuel, in emergencies, but I doubt the fuel would have routed to those two locations.

I'm looking at the engine nacelles, they're fairly narrow, reminscent of a turbojet, not a turbofan engine. ALSO, I'm puzzled by the apparatus on the wingtips. Looking again at the belly.....it almost starts to remind me of aa B747....but the engines look wrong....

Only one other modern four-engine wide-body jet (besides the A380) comes to mind.....and that's the A340. I know, I mentioned that it looked like a Boeing, by the engines are reminding me of the A340....however, I just do not know if any foreign countries are using them in their military fleet. I know the USAF sure doesn't.

AND, underside the right wing.....there is a symbol....would help to be able to read that little bit.....



[edit on 8/22/0808 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by TrueLight
....but to be honest, to me, and this is no personal slight on yourself, but, to me.... anyone who defends the government line on this raises my suspicions.

I'm not defending any government line. Just explaining the meteorological line. They don't have to be the same thing Most meteorologists (in the UK anyway) have no govt connection.

(and IMHO the govt (and especially the military) know sh*t about meteorology and whilst they may fantasise about controlling the weather, fantasy is all it is)

WW, thanks a lot that's really helpful neformore checked on the Rense site & found it could be a US Navy Mercury, based on a 707. Apparently some mechanical relocation of the fuel dump mech. I'm sorry I don't have a better pic. Have a look at the video clip above your post weed. It's only a minute or so long. It's another one of those UFO sprayers like the one in the picture. Best wishes.

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TL, if you're talking about the YT video.....the poster of that video claims it's obviously a DC-9....but it could be any sort of jet, with tail-mounted engines....even a Biz Jet.

And the second half, looks like it's just a bit out of focus.....

I do like the one about the two diamond-shapes, though.....of course, could be an artifact....maybe wrong term, but a focus issue?

TL, if you live in the US there are plenty of websites that will track flights, and you can then corelate what you spy in the sky with actually known commercial and private air traffic, based on your physical location.

Or.....try this.....watch airplanes fly overhead.....you see the same ones, every day.....some days conditions are right for a contrail to form, some days, not so much.

I was sitting in a cafe one weekend recently, here in DC....watching. I happen to know a little bit about air traffic routes in this area....and on that day the contrails formed, and only lingered for a while, before evaporating. I was comparing that to a different day, about the same time of day....and NO contrails at all.

Other days, long contrails that persist....and this is all because of the varying conditions, at altitude.

I mean, think about it. Clouds form, and linger.....or not, depending on the nature of the atmosphere.....watch some time-lapse photography of clouds....real clouds that form naturally....