Chemtrail / Contrail Experiment?

reply to post by TrueLight


TrueLight....When you see Ovals in the sky, you may be seeing a regular scheduled commercial airliner in what is known as a 'holding pattern'.

This is a way for Air Traffic Control to manage the traffic, near a major airport, when they have to meter the arrivals. Usually because of weather conditions, sometimes because of volume.

Think of an Expressway....too many cars, they just stop. Airplanes always move, so the concept is to order them to 'hold' at defined locations and altitudes. I could explain in detail, but won't blast more 'hot air' at you...suffice to say, it is an 'oval because it entails a 180 degree turn, a straight leg, and another 180 degree turn, etc.

Sometimes, these airplanes in the holding pattterns, will produce contrails. I have seen it myself, more times than I can remember.

reply to post by Swingarm


It is amazing how all of this stuff is hidden right out in the open.

Perhaps this will help convince you of the existence of the NATO Aerosolized Defense Grid that is being used to protect all NATO countries right now.

It makes sense that governments would want to keep such powerful technology as this secret from the world. Especially if it has the capability to be a primary means of protecting against ICBMs and other missiles.

It would certainly explain the absolute refusal by the military to acknowledge the chemtrail phenomenon even when they are caught - they even have cover stories ready for this; as was the case in Germany.

reply to post by weedwhacker


I think I see the root of your objection. Having been a commercial airline pilot you take offence at the suggestion that you, or persons in your previous occupation, are spraying chemicals and therefore harming innocent people, animals, women and children. I don't believe this is being done by passenger airline companies. I believe that it is being done by military black ops.

If this misunderstanding is what annoys you, try not to take it personally, you have nothing to defend.

Best wishes.

reply to post by TruthTellist


It truly is amazing ,that once you open your eyes, it's obvious there is no need to create conspiracies. There is a endless supply of examples clearly demonstrating that we are being duped on so many levels,by our masters that it's down right frightening.

Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by TruthTellist

 

It truly is amazing ,that once you open your eyes, it's obvious there is no need to create conspiracies. There is a endless supply of examples clearly demonstrating that we are being duped on so many levels,by our masters that it's down right frightening.

Right on, before I leave here is a pic of two 767's flying in formation....
commercial? no way..

reply to post by TrueLight


Yes, TrueLight. This is exactly my point.

'Chemtrail' threads pop up, every so often, on ATS. A while back there were pictures of a B-777 test airplane interior falsely accused of containing holding tanks of so-called 'chemicals'. In fact, when a new airplane is being flight-tested, it is equipped with tanks where water can be pumped around to change the Center of Gravity, as part of flight testing. THIS was a photo used as 'proof' of 'chemical spraying' by commercial jetliners. Patently wrong, and it needed to be challenged. What is more, there was a photoshopped 'sign'....more spoofing...to denote 'HazMat'. I pointed out it was slapped on the lavatory wall, so it was actually kinda funny.

What is NOT funny, though, are those who claim that commercial airliners 'spray' chemicals. Complete nonsense.

Why, and this is for everyone, do you think the airlines recently decided to start charging extra fees for checked baggage? Answer: It's because, due to the competitive nature of air travel, and pricing issues, they feel they cannot raise the regular airfare without losing customers.

Yes, it's a poor business model....airfares MUST go up, because costs (fuel price) have gone up.

Back to my point....every extra checked bag is weight....weight equals extra fuel burnt. A commercial airliner will NOT CARRY any extra weight it doesn't have to, since that means more FUEL used!!! AND, I certainly don't see any Government subsidies for this alleged extra weight that would be a 'chemical' tank....and, besides.....there is no ROOM for this equipment!!!!

Reason I feel a need to nip this in the bud, when it rears up, is for the above. Your average airline passenger is totally in the dark when it comes to the operation of a jet, or how the business works.

But...if the military is doing something, then I have no knowledge, and they have no oversight.....I just ask people to use their knowledge of science and use their brains....the military could do a lot worse, much more effectively, than 'spraying' from 12,000 feet....think, people!

Originally posted by TrueLight

Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by TruthTellist

 

It truly is amazing ,that once you open your eyes, it's obvious there is no need to create conspiracies. There is a endless supply of examples clearly demonstrating that we are being duped on so many levels,by our masters that it's down right frightening.

Right on, before I leave here is a pic of two 767's flying in formation....
commercial?

no way..

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I apologize to Mods.....I had to bring the entire quote, to show how WRONG the post is, regarding that picture.

They are NOT in formation!!! Anyone with average intelligence can see the relative sizes of the two jets....they are both B767s....one is at a higher altitude than the other!!!!!

THIS is a perfect example of what I have seen, many many times over the Atlantic. We fly what are called 'Tracks' over the North Atlantic....we are separated by altitude, and horizontal distance. Two airplanes, at different altitudes....a beautiful picture, yes.

BUT, I ask....WHY would they 'spray' over the middle of an ocean?????

See? THIS is why I post, because ignorance abounds.

reply to post by weedwhacker


It's clear to me that people like yourself Essan and Oz have participated in these threads for so long you are no longer willing to look beyond your firmly held views. Through this thread there have been some good points made that you ignored. You focus on pictures that were posted that are designed to disinform and discredit healthy discussion.

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reply to post by weedwhacker


How do you know it over the ocean? Is that the only time this happens?

reply to post by Swingarm


No, Swingarm....I have consistently said that there is a possibility that the military could be doing things....all I have said is, simply, 'please don't assume the commercial jets are doing it'. How more clear can I be?

I have presented my perspective, others who are more well versed in meteorology have presented from theirs.

AND, from what I know of atmospheric conditions (I did have to learn about it you know, in order to be a pilot) 'spraying' from any altitude except just above the surface is pointless....ever seen a cropduster??

Look....I've flown for over 30 years.....I know how winds vary, depending on altitude, and they change constantly. Within one hour, to the next, and no level of forecasting is perfect. THAT is why meteoroligists use balloons, why we pilots are asked for PIREPS (pilot reports)...if you learn to fly, then you'll understand, maybe.

I value all your comments...but back to the thread.

No point taking any samples today, its not raining and I cant see one bloody plane in the sky today. Its the height of the holiday season too...

The skyline today looks very normal and natural in fact.

reply to post by davidifty

Chemtrail / Contrail Experiment?

I have noticed a few new Chemtrail threads on ATS over the past few days and it seems this may becoming a more popular conspiracy theory.

I read this on Rense earlier - "Chemtrail Attacks On MIllions In Europe Continue" - www.rense.com...

Anyway it got me thinking.

Is there a way that, we the general public, can test to see whether 'the fallout' from these supposed chemtrails have traces of toxins within them? (Barium, aluminium. Ethylene Dibromide, Blood Cells - i think every type of substance as been mentioned in many threads)

Would we be able to test for toxins in our general rain water? I presume, when it rains, supposed toxins are absorbed and fall to the ground?

If this is the case, where would we send samples of rain water to get analysed? Im live the Uk so any ideas would be welcome.

I think if we could all agree (from experts if any are out there) to find a relatively cheap and simple way to participiate in a expreiment of having rain water (or air) from areas around the world tested it may help to suport the argument or kill it.

I notice many many planes pass over my house over the past few years. Some leave trails some leave hardly anything. I posted a pic a while ago above my house - i268.photobucket.com... (I have quite a few more but havent uploaded them yet)
I understand there are many factors and counter arguments why planes leave trails but im prepared to collect some rain water and send away to test.

Does this stand up? Would this be a valid experiment?

Responses welcome....

I think you should go ahead with your experiment. The fellow in the video did this and he got some interesting results. Let us know your results. Others should do this also. It would be cool to have a web site people could send their results to form some kind of pattern or consensus.

reply to post by weedwhacker


I take it you didn't read the links to the patents swingarm posted...

Perhaps you should - then you will know why sometimes certain particulates are deployed at high altitudes.

Very interesting stuff. Frightening implications....

No, Swingarm....I have consistently said that there is a possibility that the military could be doing things....all I have said is, simply, 'please don't assume the commercial jets are doing it'. How more clear can I be?

OK now I know were you stand

AND, from what I know of atmospheric conditions (I did have to learn about it you know, in order to be a pilot) 'spraying' from any altitude except just above the surface is pointless....ever seen a cropduster??

Who said spraying the surface is the point?

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reply to post by davidifty


I have to say, for davidifty....in case you don't know my location, since I coded it as 'KDCA'....I'll clue you in. KDCA is the ICAO airport code for Washington National Airport, just outside Washington DC. Of course, it's not an International Airport, that would be Dulles (KIAD).

Reason I mention this is, at about 1230 my time, (UTC -4) I went outside, it's a nice day, a few clouds, and very, very few contrails....because it's quite dry today. I mention this because, on days when the high level atmosphere is more moist, there is a LOT of air traffic, and contrails form. Today....while it's relatively low humidity on the surface, the lack of contrails told me it was fairly dry up there too....

I take it you didn't read the links to the patents swingarm posted...

Perhaps you should - then you will know why sometimes certain particulates are deployed at high altitudes.

Very interesting stuff. Frightening implications....

reply to directed at The Weedster



Did you have a look at those Weed ?


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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by davidifty

 

I mention this because, on days when the high level atmosphere is more moist, there is a LOT of air traffic, and contrails form. Today....while it's relatively low humidity on the surface, the lack of contrails told me it was fairly dry up there too....

Can you explain more as I dont follow....sorry.

Are you saying that plane routes are changed depending on how moist the air is? You kind of imply there is more a LOT more traffic when its moist? I dont understand. The air traffic would be the same regardless of moisture - thats an amateur understanding anyway.

reply to post by Swingarm


Swingarm.....the reason I know this photo is likely over the Atlantic, is because I have flown those routes so many times.....the North Atlantic Routes are probably the busiest of anywhere in the world.

Only recently we went to RVSM standards....that means 'Reduced Vertical Separation Minimums'. Prior to that, there had to be at least two thousand feet vertical separation. Thanks to updated pitot-static systems and digital altimeters, it is now reduced to 1,000 feet, when properly certified airplanes are involved.

This also applies to other very heavily trafficked routes, from the US Mainland to Hawai'i. So, that photo could have been taken anywhere, but based on the refelectivity of the bottoms of the airplanes, I'm going to stick with my assertion that it was taken over-water....

I have seen with my own eyes, such visions....didn't always bring a camera with me.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Read this weed what do you think...


www.freepatentsonline.com...

-This technology is used to amplify and increase the effectiveness of this technology:

www.patentstorm.us...

-this weapons system's ability to detect and destroy an object is vastly increased with heavy metal particulate in the air, effectively converting a laser into a particle beam weapon.

reply to post by Swingarm


Well, Swing....I see a patent idea, that may or may not have come to fruition. The second link, again, postulated the possibility, then went on to try to sell me something to flatten my stomach.

In any case, these are concepts......promoted by hopeful entrepeneurs....and if any of these concepts were viable, you can bet your arse the military would be all over them, and in control so fast it would make your head spin.

Ever heard of the 'Military Industrial Complex'???

This is something we [edit here....were] warned about, when Eisenhower was exiting the Presidency, back in 1960.

Too bad no one listend to him. It's had four decades to entrench itself, and will be very difficult to unravel.....now.

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