Chemtrail / Contrail Experiment?

reply to post by TruthTellist


But why would anyone spray something into the upper troposphere in order affect people on the ground below?

And why does morgellons not affect people elsewhere where supposed chemtrails have been observed for decades?

Or is the chemtrail connection intended to divert your attention from the real source?

reply to post by Essan


I never said chemtrails and morgellons were connected.

Some people say they are. However I think it is possible in some cases, and I didn't once say "Troposphere".

But since you asked - and it is a relevant question, the medium containing the nematodes determines the altitude from which they can be deployed.

Spraying anything from a higher altitude also ensures that a greater surface area will be covered - but that would no doubt reduce the efficacy of a force-multiplier such as the Creeping Nematode variants used during the Vietnam War.




[edit on 3-8-2008 by TruthTellist]

Originally posted by Essan
reply to post by TruthTellist

 

But why would anyone spray something into the upper troposphere in order affect people on the ground below?

I thought the answer to this was obvious?

reply to post by davidifty


Not when you are busy derailing a thread... You must ignore the obvious and demand excessive and unnecessary explanations for everything, continually moving the goal posts and claiming the given evidence is insufficient.

An excellent technique

[edit on 3-8-2008 by TruthTellist]

Anyone who has done the research can tell you chemtrails are real. The government has even admitted doing it in the past. Disinfo, intentional or not is a danger to humanity where chemtrails are concerned. I think what is most disheartening is that this thread is in Skunk Works, as if ATS considers chemtrails a barely provable borderline hoax. Anyway...



David, in theory you could, just put a dish of clean pure water on a flat high surface and change and store the water every day for 14days or more. Make a note on the bottles of when the trails are bad or non existent and what the wind was like etc. Then if you were to find higher levels of "crap" in your samples on spray-days, then bingo. But do you really need to prove it to anyone? It's not like the government won't come up with a steaming pile of excuses if you present this data to them.

www.whale.to...

Best Wishes.

reply to post by TrueLight


I wasnt sure where to place it to be honest. As it gets much critisism i figured SW.

Thanks for you advice. Im going to have a go and take samples. I think the more that we investigate ourselves the better. Change is down to us, normal individuals concerned about our environment. If my post helps add to prove or disprove something the were all onto a winner.

As stated long ago at the beginning of this post. I have shed loads of planes over my house everyday. Sometimes in the mornings, (7am ish) the skies are littered with grid like pattens. Even more so than the day-time.

IF they are government / NWO projects then would it make more sense to do this at night time?

Originally posted by davidifty.

IF they are government / NWO projects then would it make more sense to do this at night time?

No I wouldn't worry about it, you are not doing anything illegal. You are either for humanity or against it, after all.

Good luck

here are some links related to morgellans and chemtrails.


imageevent.com...


www.cephasministry.com...


rigorousintuition.ca...


lymebusters.proboards39.com...

www.writersontheloose.com...
destinydreamer2012.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by TruthTellist
reply to post by Essan

 

I never said chemtrails and morgellons were connected.

I thought this thread was about chemtrails? If there is no connection, why bring the subject up?

I agree, there can be no connection between morgellons and the phenomena which people commonly refer to as chemtrails.

Originally posted by davidifty

Originally posted by Essan
reply to post by TruthTellist

 

But why would anyone spray something into the upper troposphere in order affect people on the ground below?

I thought the answer to this was obvious?

Yes, it is. They wouldn't. Unless they were really, really, really, really dumb!

Originally posted by TruthTellist
reply to post by Essan

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I never said chemtrails and morgellons were connected.



I thought this thread was about chemtrails? If there is no connection, why bring the subject up?

I agree, there can be no connection between morgellons and the phenomena which people commonly refer to as chemtrails.

reply to post by Essan


I brought it up. Truthtellist has a medical background and I simply asked if he had experience with morgellans. Then you go on to pervert his response, your quite a character

reply to post by Swingarm


So can we perhaps get back on subject then? After all, there are plenty of other threads about morgellons and about chemtrails.

the question surely is: how can we determine whether a) contrails contain substances other than those they're supposed to contain or b) any other spraying is taking place which does not manifest itself so obviously

I don't have an answer. I just know that an awful lot of people are looking at the effects on contrails and ways of reducing them.

[edit on 3-8-2008 by Essan]

reply to post by Essan


I'm trying to understand and assimilate chemtrail information. I'm not interested in debating the validity of there existence. There are plenty of threads that do that. Why don't you join in on the premise that they are real and try to contribute to the discussion. I can put up a good argument that they don't exist too, but who cares, There are many things (evil things) going on in this world that far exceed imagination, and hard to prove. Would you agree?

[edit on 3-8-2008 by Swingarm]

reply to post by Swingarm


Swingarm, I've stepped away for a day or two, and admittedly just looked at your immedieate post, and a few above it, as you were discussing contrails with Essan....

If you'd care to look, you'd see many of MY posts on this subject. To repeat, I have 22 years of commercial aviation....actually more, but I'll say 22 years of commercial JET aviation experience. My total aviation experience exceeds 30 years, but I'll limit this discussion to my 22 years.

Of commercial airline passenger jet operations....that's 22 years.

There is NO WAY that any 'chemicals' could have been sneaked onboard. Ask any pilot, just do the research.....it won't happen, once you understand the weight and balance (I use that term, since every pilot knows it)....but beyond the W&B issue, there is the issue that surruounds what pilots know....and, they know their airplane.

Flying an airplane that you have no experience in is not like the difference between renting a Ford or a Chrevolet!!!

Even Private Pilots, who wish to rent an airplane, know this. When you attain a level of experience that is equivalent to Commercial Pilot, or even Airline Transport Pilot, then the standards are even higher.

There is NO WAY a commercial passenger jet (or even a Cargo Jet) will have this so-called 'spraying equipment' onboard without the pilots' knowledge.

I have posted many comments to explain why this is the case, in commercial aviation. Perhaps there's no way to look them up...pity.

But, at the risk of repeating myself....if....and it's a big IF...the military wishes to 'spray' from over 30,000 feet altitude, then they are just wasting more money (and spray) since there is no way to control the distribution from such an altitude....

This is why I hope to dis-illusion people from believing in this 'chemtrail' nonsense....not because I have an agenda, but because....well, it's just simply not scientific.

I respect the fact your a pilot. Earlier in this thread there was a pilot who thought something was amiss. While I will not argue your perceptions, I do not accept a case closed based on your experience. The military angle is more remote agreed. But at the same time there are huge discrepancies in the military expenditures (as in huge amounts of missing money) Do I immediately allocate those funds to chemtrail production by the military? no.
Once again the chemtrail piece of the puzzle is something I haven't spent allot of time on. Just looking into the whole subject. Anything that I propose are just thoughts and possibilities. I can understand your position because you had first hand experience. What kind of plane did you fly? Did you tend to stay on a particular flight schedule or was it erratic ?

reply to post by weedwhacker


Also in my own limited experience around airports, I notice lots of military jets. Does the military use these public airports throughout USA and Canada?

reply to post by Swingarm


Swingarm, will try to respond to both of your posts at once.

First, there are a few 'Joint-Use' fields, where military and commecial traffic jointly operate....but very, very few as time goes on.

Another question you asked was about where I flew. I spent about half of my career in the 48 States....Domestic, as we called it. Did a lot of International, as well...that's be the other half! In fact, I'd say it was about 50/50, Domestic and International....ask me about the NAT Tracks, across the Atlantic, to the UK or to Europe. Or, ask me about the routes from the West Coast of the US to Hawai'i.....the routes 'anchored' from LAX were usually the C, D or E (vary rarely) routes.....

Need more???

BTW....in my timezone (which you could figure out if you're a pilot) I am about to go to bed, since I have stuff to do in the AM.

Hint....no, I decided....no hint, think UTC - 4.....then figure it out.

[edit on 8/3/0808 by weedwhacker]

Not wishing to derail this topic, but some people are trying to insert disinformation to put you off your testing ideas.. So..

Originally posted by weedwhacker
But, at the risk of repeating myself....if....and it's a big IF...the military wishes to 'spray' from over 30,000 feet altitude, then they are just wasting more money (and spray) since there is no way to control the distribution from such an altitude....

From the website I linked to..
www.whale.to...

The easy way to tell the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail is to compare the observed relative sizes of the planes: chemtrails are spewed from 12,000 to 20,000 ft altitude, so you can see the planes easily with the naked eye; contrails are generally much higher and the planes are much harder to see--pretty simple, convincing distinction but good luck getting the frenetic Chicken Litttle chumps to settle down and think rationally about this stuff

Your debunking, weedwhacker, is subsequently debunked. By the way, they aren't carrying passengers whilst doing this. So you may speak with authority, but it should be valued no more than a taxi driver giving us the "expert" information on the Princess Diana crash (who hasn't researched the Princess Diana crash).

Originally posted by weedwhacker
If you'd care to look, you'd see many of MY posts on this subject. To repeat, I have 22 years of commercial aviation....actually more, but I'll say 22 years of commercial JET aviation experience. My total aviation experience exceeds 30 years, but I'll limit this discussion to my 22 years.

Sorry old chap, but with the amount of hot-air I've just seen you emit, I am quite surprised you actually needed an aircraft to leave the ground in the first place.

Let us know how the testing goes david.

Best Wishes.

Originally posted by TrueLight

From the website I linked to..
www.whale.to...

The easy way to tell the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail is to compare the observed relative sizes of the planes: chemtrails are spewed from 12,000 to 20,000 ft altitude, so you can see the planes easily with the naked eye; contrails are generally much higher and the planes are much harder to see--pretty simple, convincing distinction but good luck getting the frenetic Chicken Litttle chumps to settle down and think rationally about this stuff

So, if 2 aircraft produce persistent contrails and one is at 20,000ft and the other at 30,000ft, only the former is spraying chemtrails?

And surely spraying at a height of 3 miles is still no more accurate than doing so at 5 miles up? Why spray between those altitudes?

But at least we now know that 99% of alleged chemtrails are not chemtrails and we can see why no-one photographs them! Contrails/chemtrails do occur at such low altitudes but only very rarely. It all rather supports my contention that if chemtrails do exist we wouldn't see them!

[edit on 4-8-2008 by Essan]

Here is an interesting video about chemtrails/contrails. I found it quite good.

Chemtrails are likely a result of the NATO Aerosolized Defense Grid That was implemented in the late 1990's.

Countries who have recently joined NATO are also being subjected to this grid and are not happy about it; Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. As the others just before (Hungary, Poland and Czech Republic in 1999, East-Germany in 1990) are all obligated to follow certain policies and allowing the defense grid to be applied in their aerospace. The citizenry is not consulted and does not have a say in these type of operations.

Whenever a country joins NATO - you will see that their citizenry quickly becomes aware of the chemtrail phenomenon and will begin to form groups to inform others and protest the spraying. These groups often lobby politicians aswell as create websites and leaflets to inform others.

It is likely that the planes spraying the chemicals that facilitate the operation of the NATO Aerosolized Defense Grid are from other NATO countries. The planes that create chemtrails are likely not piloted by members belonging to the military of the country over which they are applying the Grid. This ensures a certain level of detachment from the crime being committed.

The operations appear to be highly classified, and pilots told their actions are benevolent - it is likely they are told they are "Saving the environment" or something to that effect. I have no doubt they would face immediate court martial if they were to leak any data pertaining to this man-made phenomenon.

"The lie is different at every level"
-especially in NATO