Chemtrail / Contrail Experiment?

reply to post by Swingarm


And this was on the Discovery Channel?

Good find, especially as this has been on TV.

Anyway....no good photos today as its completely overcast.

Im researching my local vicinity to understand what types of industrial burning takes place. I want to possible have all things covered as much as I can to result in giving an honest account in this potential experiment. Wind patterns, local industry, Sea Level, - there is probably so much i may have to overlook....i welcome debunkers already

At least we can try.

Im also fortunate to take samples from the West Coast of Wales (UK). The air quality is much better (less pollution).

Evergreen Aviation builds the Supertanker aircraft. Looking at the photos of the super tanker can give us insight to the type of aircraft which might be used in these operations.

www.evergreenaviation.com...

www.evergreenaviation.com...

www.evergreenaviation.com...


So to those commercial pilots out there who think we are crazy, it may be a bit myopic to only consider commercial aircraft, there are many other types of planes out there.

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reply to post by Missing Blue Sky


Oh man!!! Those are the kind of pictures, with a nonsense post, that keeps this baloney going!!

Evergreen is a cargo airline, they fly Boeing 747s. THEY don't build the dern things!!!! BOEING does!

That obvious picture, the third one, is obviously photoshopped....it is very poorly done, at that.

reply to post by TrueLight


TL...sorry indeed, 'old chap', but you just confirmed my point whilst trying to tear me down.

Your link claimed that any 'spraying' would be conducted from between 12 and 20 thousand feet. So, therefore, it must be military in origin. A long-haul passenger jet is likely always above 30,000. You see, it's about fuel efficiency.

But, any airline would welcome you aboard, since YOUR hot air should save them a pound or two in fuel burn.....

reply to post by weedwhacker


After thoroughly debunking his pictures you should satisfied - there is no need to then begin to slander and demean the user who posted those pictures.

You corrected his mistake. Move on.

There is no need for personal attacks, which will only detract from the debunking job you just performed.

reply to post by TruthTellist


Please pay attention....I was responding to two different postings.

Thank you for your concern.

ps...read my second post, and look for the tongue firmly in my cheek.

reply to post by TruthTellist


And of course, no-one as yet taken any photos of this alleged spraying taking place - instead all we have are commercial airliners producing common-or-garden contrails

reply to post by Essan




Would you mind answering these questions

Is HAARP real or imagined in its diabolical use? What is the role of HAARP?


Was 911 an inside job?

Does the Illuminati exist?

Is the federal reserve a fraudulent banking scam?

Is the USA really under British control ?

Is the IRS an organized crime ring?

Are you an artificial person in the eyes of government statutes.

Does the federal government give two sh!ts about you beyond your money making slave status?

Do you generally reject ideas outside the comfort zone of what comes from your nightly news commentary?

do you ever involve yourself in discussions that don't involve rejecting other peoples points of view?

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reply to post by Essan


There are thousands of chemtrail photos on the internet. One need only look.

Of course, you will have to use your powers of Discernment. And if like you, one does not believe that chemtrails exist - then that person will never find them, even if they are directly overhead or in a photograph on their monitor.

It is really a waste of time trying to convince such a person. They will only dismiss whatever evidence you present to them.

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reply to post by Swingarm


For Swingarm....I know you didn't ask me, but I just saw your post. I felt a need to say something.

I've de-railed threads with off-topic posts before. I've learned to not do it anymore. There is a thin line, admittedly...and it's very subjective.

IN FACT, this very post I am writing could be accused of de-railing, yet again. But, I hope it is taken in the spirit intended. Just advice, not criticism.

AND...at further risk of becoming a pariah, your points are well noted. This IS a conspiracy site, after all. But they just aren't pertinent to this thread. Other threads......

It is important, IMO, to take a breath as regards 'chemtrails' and think clearly (no pun) about the inanity of this alleged 'phenonemon' for a few minutes. There are hundreds of photos from WWII showing contrails formed by B-17s and B-24s --- this in the 1940s. If you were to assert that those bombers, on missions crucial to the war effort, could also carry the weight of some 'chemicals' you'd be laughed at. All they wanted to do was deliver their ordinance to the target, and not get shot down. Yet, even those big ole round engines (piston, in this case) made contrails, when atmospheric conditions were suitable. Kinda explains why bomb runs were conducted at night, doesn't it???

ps....the photos of the WWII bombers and contrails were taken AFTER the bombs were dropped, on their return to base....in daylight, over friendly territory.....just in case you wondered.

reply to post by TruthTellist

Chemtrails are likely a result of the NATO Aerosolized Defense Grid That was implemented in the late 1990's.

Countries who have recently joined NATO are also being subjected to this grid and are not happy about it; Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. As the others just before (Hungary, Poland and Czech Republic in 1999, East-Germany in 1990) are all obligated to follow certain policies and allowing the defense grid to be applied in their aerospace. The citizenry is not consulted and does not have a say in these type of operations.

Whenever a country joins NATO - you will see that their citizenry quickly becomes aware of the chemtrail phenomenon and will begin to form groups to inform others and protest the spraying. These groups often lobby politicians aswell as create websites and leaflets to inform others.

It is likely that the planes spraying the chemicals that facilitate the operation of the NATO Aerosolized Defense Grid are from other NATO countries. The planes that create chemtrails are likely not piloted by members belonging to the military of the country over which they are applying the Grid. This ensures a certain level of detachment from the crime being committed.

The operations appear to be highly classified, and pilots told their actions are benevolent - it is likely they are told they are "Saving the environment" or something to that effect. I have no doubt they would face immediate court martial if they were to leak any data pertaining to this man-made phenomenon.

"The lie is different at every level"
-especially in NATO

Thank you for this post. This had not occurred to me nor have I come across this. Do you have any info to substantiate this ?

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I've de-railed threads with off-topic posts before. I've learned to not do it anymore. There is a thin line, admittedly...and it's very subjective.

reply to post by weedwhacker


I agree that post could be taken that way. I think Essen can handle it. I think he may even enjoy responding

It is important, IMO, to take a breath as regards 'chemtrails' and think clearly (no pun) about the inanity of this alleged 'phenonemon' for a few minutes.

This is exactly what I mean about limiting disscusion within these threads. People should'nt be called insane for beleiveing the possibilty chemtrails exist.

The point I'm making with those questions, is they are to some people equally insane in there suggestion. Yet in my experience they all ring true. We all have our own versions of reality. In mine I'm happy at least to not be a willing participant in the lie.

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reply to post by Swingarm


Swing, do you live in the US? Because, if you do, you may not have heard of a website called 'FlightAware'

It will show you the amount of commercial traffic, in the skies, at any given moment. Commercial, and private aircraft....NOT military, of course.

Might open your eyes. I could explain the other parts of the site, if you wish.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
...sorry indeed, 'old chap', but you just confirmed my point whilst trying to tear me down.

You stated that they couldn't possibly be laying down chemtrails at 30,000 ft. I posted a link stating they spray at 12-20k ft. It was therefore proved that you had not done adequate research on chemtrails. It was also proved that you hadn't been visiting the links leading to proof on this thread. Therefore your knowledge on the subject is insufficient. Proven fact.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Your link claimed that any 'spraying' would be conducted from between 12 and 20 thousand feet. So, therefore, it must be military in origin. A long-haul passenger jet is likely always above 30,000. You see, it's about fuel efficiency.

Was there a point in that statement or were you trying to cover-up the fact that you had made a terrible error in your disinformation ?

Best Wishes.

reply to post by weedwhacker


I live in Canada. Still interested though. I'll check it out.

reply to post by TrueLight


Again, TrueLight....nothing in your response tends to support your claims.

I said that commercial jets typically fly at altitudes above 30,000 feet. YOUR link mentions 'spraying' at altitudes between 12,000 and 20,000 feet. Where are we not connecting on this subject?

The reason that passenger jets and even cargo jets fly as high as possible, is for fuel efficiency reasons. It is a cost factor, to maximize revenue vs. cost.

Every large jet will have a most efficient altitude, depending on its current gross weight. There is, also, the fact of the preferred altitude, depending on magnetic course (look it up). Basically, Eastbound is odd, Westbound is even. [edit here....there are exceptions, of course...just look at the planned Pacific Routes, from Mainland US to Hawai'i] Every Private Pilot knows this. Plus, altitudes 'requested' may not be available, based on prevailing traffic conflicts.

If the MILITARY wishes to spray, from altitudes of 12,000 to 20,000 feet, then indeed, they are well below what is considered the 'High Altitude' sectors, which begin above FL230 (23,000 feet), thus not interferring with commercial airline traffic.

Sorry for the 'hot air', as you said....it needs some words to explain to non-aviation people....not you, but others who may come along and read as well.

Cheers!

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reply to post by weedwhacker


I notice now you said inanity not insanity Well granted the the smoking gun (pun intended) at the scene of the crime makes the burden of proof challenging I agree. It doesn't change the fact that there is allot of circumstantial evidence that points to deliberate spraying. Did you watch the you tube video I put up above? It was an extension of this discussion so your side is represented as well. Raises some good points though.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
The reason that passenger jets and even cargo jets fly as high as possible, is for fuel efficiency reasons. It is a cost factor, to maximize revenue vs. cost.

The military and black ops do not have the same budget restrictions as passenger airline companies. As I stated before, these chemtrail spraying planes do not carry passengers. That is why you see some trails in a circular shape and why you will very often see planes doubling back on themselves.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
If the MILITARY wishes to spray, from altitudes of 12,000 to 20,000 feet, then indeed, they are well below what is considered the 'High Altitude' sectors, which begin above FL230 (23,000 feet), thus not interferring with commercial airline traffic.

Of course, that is what is occurring mostly.

Have a look at this clip, german meteorologist confirming that the government is spraying chemtrails. Subtitled.



As per the video, satelite imagery cannot be trusted.

Best Wishes.

here are some interesting patents that I came accross.

www.freepatentsonline.com...

-This technology is used to amplify and increase the effectiveness of this technology:

www.patentstorm.us...

-this weapons system's ability to detect and destroy an object is vastly increased with heavy metal particulate in the air, effectively converting a laser into a particle beam weapon.

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