Chemtrail / Contrail Experiment?

reply to post by weedwhacker


LOL are you serious?

Swingarm's evidence corroborates what I have said about the NATO Aerosolized Defense Grid.

Your persistent refutations regardless of the evidence presented is beginning to reveal your agenda - which is clearly not to solve the chemtrail mystery, but instead to stifle debate and discussion about the subject.

I'll be reminding other members of this as often as possible



[edit on 4-8-2008 by TruthTellist]

reply to post by davidifty


no, davidifty.....the routes don't change. The atmosphere does.

I know, from experience, that if you leave the NYC area to, say....Atlanta, or Orlando, or Ft. Meyers, or Miami.....most routes South, they will transit this area. Even, dare I say.....to Houston, yes! They will transit the DC area. Hate to burst your bubble, but it is truth.

OK....sometimes, some will request from ATC and be approved a more direct route....this is what we do. When we have 'doglegs' in the flight plan, we request more direct routing.....from NYC to Florida, usually we get a 'direct' to Wilmington, NC (ILM). But, as always, traffic permitting.

reply to post by weedwhacker

Well, Swing....I see a patent idea, that may or may not have come to fruition. The second link, again, postulated the possibility, then went on to try to sell me something to flatten my stomach.

Really? I never saw this.Oh well you better disregard it then...

In any case, these are concepts......promoted by hopeful entrepeneurs....and if any of these concepts were viable, you can bet your arse the military would be all over them, and in control so fast it would make your head spin.

reply to post by weedwhacker



What makes you think their not ? when was the last time the military told you their plans ?

Do you remember where the shared public and military airports are ? would you list them?

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reply to post by TruthTellist


Truth....tell me more about your contacts in NATO.

Please, show how, exactly, you have come into this extremely sensitive information....it should be Top Secret, right??

Yet, YOU, and you alone, along wiht whatever site you 'found' it at, seem to know everything....all 'secret'????

reply to post by TruthTellist


Truth....tell me more about your contacts in NATO.

Please, show how, exactly, you have come into this extremely sensitive information....it should be Top Secret, right??

Yet, YOU, and you alone, along wiht whatever site you 'found' it at, seem to know everything....all 'secret'????

Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Read this weed what do you think...


www.freepatentsonline.com...

-This technology is used to amplify and increase the effectiveness of this technology:

www.patentstorm.us...

-this weapons system's ability to detect and destroy an object is vastly increased with heavy metal particulate in the air, effectively converting a laser into a particle beam weapon.

Weedwacker, Have you read these links yet?

Please debunk these. You earlier attempt was pitiful. We expect more from you.

"tell me more about your contacts in NATO. "
now you are resorting to putting words in my mouth...

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Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

It's clear to me that people like yourself Essan and Oz have participated in these threads for so long you are no longer willing to look beyond your firmly held views.

Well I have seen no evidence whatsoever to suggest even the possibility that what looks like a contrail and acts like a contrail is anything but a contrail.

I have also consistently over the years said that this does not mean some spraying does not take place. And if that's the case, IMO the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail is: chemtrails are not visible from the ground.

Originally posted by TruthTellist

Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Read this weed what do you think...


www.freepatentsonline.com...

-This technology is used to amplify and increase the effectiveness of this technology:

www.patentstorm.us...

-this weapons system's ability to detect and destroy an object is vastly increased with heavy metal particulate in the air, effectively converting a laser into a particle beam weapon.

Please debunk these.

The first is

... for a powder generator requiring no heat source to emit a "contrail" with sufficient visibility to aid in visual acquisition of an aircraft target vehicle and the like. The term "contrail" was adopted for convenience in identifying the visible powder trail of this invention. Aircraft target vehicles are used to simulate aerial threats for missile tests and often fly at altitudes between 5,000 and 20,000 feet at speeds of 300 and 400 knots or more. The present invention is also suitable for use in other aircraft vehicles to generate contrails or reflective screens for any desired purpose.

ie smoke trails

Sounds useful for sky sign writers and aeronautical display teams too. Anyone know is this is what they now use? Or, like so mnay patents, was it proven ineffectual?

Don't see any relevance to chemtrails though I'm pretty sure atmospheric scientists haven't spent the last 30 years studying smoke trails!

And the second very clearly describes a Lidar-based air defense system - useful for shooting down aircraft which don't produce contrails but otherwise I fail to see having any relevance to the discussion?

reply to post by Essan


What the first patent suggests is a way for the particulate to get into the contrail. This was, for me a big reason to reject aluminum in the chemtrail through fuel, it didn't make sense to me. If you accept the possibility of a separate feed system for particulate other than jet fuel it makes it more possible. I'm not suggesting this particular 1974 technology is being used but something more advanced could be being used.The second patent...The weapons system's ability to detect and destroy an object is vastly increased with heavy metal particulate in the air, effectively converting a laser into a particle beam weapon. This is public domain info. We can only guess where we are really at with this stuff.


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Chemtrails are as real as UFO's and Aliens.

Ufo's have been photographed within trails are they involved or are they testing what is being dumped on us is the question. Those cute scary looking buggers do observe and record everything.

Wake up peoples.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Think of an Expressway....too many cars, they just stop. Airplanes always move, so the concept is to order them to 'hold' at defined locations and altitudes. I could explain in detail, but won't blast more 'hot air' at you...suffice to say, it is an 'oval because it entails a 180 degree turn, a straight leg, and another 180 degree turn, etc.

Oh I see, no, that is not what I meant by circular, no, no not at all what I meant. CIRCULAR TRAIL

Originally posted by weedwhacker
What is NOT funny, though, are those who claim that commercial airliners 'spray' chemicals. Complete nonsense.

Stop being deliberately obtuse. NO ONE here has suggested passenger airline companies are spraying. It has been suggested the military are spraying. Therefore your point is moot.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
I'm going to stick with my assertion that it was taken over-water....

I'm going to stick to my assertion that it wasn't. Unless the picture was taken by someone on a cruise liner or fishing boat with a zoom lens I suggest it is a certainty it was taken from the mainland. Like all the other pictures.

Still whacker, as you are the aviation expert perhaps you can explain this? It is a picture showing a gap in a "contrail". Is this where the engine of the aircraft stuttered? Or is this where the pilot's foot sliped off the clutch whilst engaging 4th gear Give me a break.

BREAK IN TRAIL

Back on topic...Here is a marvellous link you may find helpful with your research davidifty.

WEATHERWARS

Best Wishes.









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reply to post by TrueLight


The break in trails are attributed to air currents.
Like a warm draft flowing upward or downward that would stop the ice from forming in a contrail.
Like a river with a rising spot of warmth, it breaks the current.

A chemtrail would have a break in spraying for many reasons. Running out, stoppage in the sprayer, etc......
That example is hard to verify. We must press on and try to get proof. Peace.






[edit on 5-8-2008 by Clearskies]

reply to post by TrueLight


TrueLight....back to that picture of the two B767s....

Please try to stay with me here...it was NOT taken with a telephoto lens from the ground!! It was taken from the window of another airplane, an airplane that was directly below, on the same track...OVER THE WATER! The bright illumination of the bellies of the airplanes is plain evidence. (no pun intended)

Look....I have seen sights like that numerous times. When the Flight Attendants weren't busy we'd ask them up to see....some would appreciate it, some would go 'Ho, hum...'

It doesn't always work out that well, three jets stacked like that. Each will be flight planned a different Mach, somewhere between .78 and .82 and the wind velocities at different Flight Levels will vary...so inevitably, one pulls ahead, one drops back...slowly...so catching a pic like that is why many pilots carry their cameras....they are pilots and camera enthusiasts as well.

It's just a shame that a beautiful picture like that would be used as 'fodder' for nonsense about "chemtrails".

reply to post by TrueLight


Well, TrueLight, Ms ClearSkies had it almost correct.

It has to do with the humidity of the air, whether or not a contrail will form. Air is not homogenous, and you can see that by the fact that contrails will form, then stop, as the airplane travels into different air masses. AND you dared to call me 'obtuse'!! Pity.

ps...I hope you were trying to be funny, with the 'foot on the clutch' and shifting into 4th gear comments...if not, then I fear for you, and your ignorance of aviation. THAT is what I am trying to deny, that ignorance.

edit to add....what is particularly sad is someone actually gave stars to that last post!! Truly astonishing, the lack of knowledge out here on the 'Interwebs'. Oh, and I almost forgot....a circular contrail is likely nothing more than what I explained already...a holding pattern, except the controller just told the jet to make one 360 degree turn, for spacing. Many, many times I've been given a holding clearance, then told to simply complete the 360 turn, exit the hold, and continue on. Really, you need to hit the books.....

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reply to post by weedwhacker


We get it. You know about Aeroplanes. Please contribute something relevant to the thread. You ONLY attack the other member's ideas and dismiss their evidence.
When you are not doing that, you are creating 'Strawman' based arguments and putting words into our mouths.

And You call this behaviour "contributing"...

I have yet to see you make a supportive post about anyone other than Essan or Oz. Why is that?

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reply to post by TruthTellist


TT, you don't seem to realize that I AM contributing to this thread.

Just re-checked the title....yup! It is Chemtrail/Contrail Experiment? Please note the question mark. I therefore provide what actual knowledge I have to help people answer that question. AND, I believe I have an obligation to point out obvious lies, or untruths, such as that thing about Evergreen building huge flying machines. Total bollocks.

But, thanks for your concern

The pic could have been taken anywhere. On a nice sunny clear day over a nice fresh blanket of snow perhaps? The whole issue is somwhat deflective no?

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reply to post by weedwhacker

The thing about evergreen is that they ADVERTISE weather modification.
What's the deal with that?
The essence of the thread, is HOW to get uncontaminated samples of emissions from spray planes.

Any help?

Originally posted by weedwhacker
ps...I hope you were trying to be funny, with the 'foot on the clutch' and shifting into 4th gear comments...if not, then I fear for you, and your ignorance of aviation. THAT is what I am trying to deny, that ignorance.

I should have thought the four was an indicator. That was another obtuse comment weed.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Total bollocks.

You may not know anything about chemtrails. But it apears you are able to mind read me Seriously, please tell me. Are you a Freemason? Are you on the secret alphabets payroll? If so, does being part of one of these organisations preclude your agreeing with any government conspiracy such as this? Just interested, as your inability to assimilate the vast and extensive data on the subject rings alarm bells. No offence

Best Wishes.