Horror as bus passenger beheaded

Those police were freaking worthless. Watching someone cannibalize another human being? Freaking worthless. If they had any dignity, respect and sense of justice they would of emptied their firearms into that monster. Even if it means one's career is over. There are things in this world that are worth taking risks for. There are things in this world worth fighting for. If people don't freaking stand up to monsters like this, we will be dominated by them. I cannot express in words the frustration and anger this horrible event and the lack of action by the passengers and police fills me with.


There are things in this world that simply cannot be tolerated. Monsters like that cannot, must not be allowed to survive. The Human race needs to get ahold of itself and act. Zero tolerance for these kind of monsters must be adopted. I dont care if he was freaking crazy, on drugs, off drugs, mind controlled, whatever. They cannot be allowed to continue their existence in this world.

[edit on 1/8/08 by MikeboydUS]

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Those police were freaking worthless. Watching someone cannibalize another human being? Freaking worthless. If they had any dignity, respect and sense of justice they would of emptied their firearms into that monster. Even if it means one's career is over. There are things in this world that are worth taking risks for. There are things in this world worth fighting for. If people don't freaking stand up to monsters like this, we will be dominated by them. I cannot express in words the frustration and anger this horrible event and the lack of action by the passengers and police fills me with.


There are things in this world that simply cannot be tolerated. Monsters like that cannot, must not be allowed to survive. The Human race needs to get ahold of itself and act. Zero tolerance for these kind of monsters must be adopted. I dont care if he was freaking crazy, on drugs, off drugs, mind controlled, whatever. They cannot be allowed to continue their existence in this world.

[edit on 1/8/08 by MikeboydUS]

so basicly what your saying is, its justifiable to kill a killer.

we go to war, we slaughter thousands of innocents, but the killers are honored and given rewards for this.

killing isnt wrong, or immoral.

its just life.

i would be lying if i said i wasnt intruiged, i'd also be lying if i said apart of me didnt want to kill another human being.

its just life.

Sorry man but that's what myspace is. A lot of people use it to advertise their bands. Those flyers are just for shows. The guy wasn't murdered he was killed.

reply to post by cannonfodder


Going to have to disagree. This guys fondness to stabbing and cutting appears to me to mean he wanted it very personal. Shooting people isn't anything like stabbing a person 40 times then beheading them. Somebody who can do that must be doing that for a reason. If he stab him 40 times then carved the guy up, I don't think he would have used a gun anyway, even if he could get his hands on one. Hes the sick bastard that thinks "quality, not quanity".

What I am wondering/worried about, is has he killed before? A guy that kills like that, in that method, when its completely impersonal...be hard to believe its his first time killing another person.

Originally posted by TheComte
Having a gun you may have been able to save the guy from the beheading, but I doubt you could have saved his life.

Well, to be honest, if it were MY child, I would gladly shake the hand of the man who blows the guys brains out and allows me to bury my child with a couple knife wounds instead of in multiple pieces and a closed casket.

Originally posted by cannonfodder
Ok. Lets do a test... Pretend I just snuck into your house, and I'm standing in the doorway in the room behind you. Let time how it takes you to get your gun, loaded, cocked and safety off, and point it at the doorway. 10 seconds? 20 seconds? 1 minute?

What the??? Have you ever even used a gun. They are made to do that in about a max of 5 seconds. If Im concealed carrying, you can pretty much do everything in one fluid motion and by ready to go in 5 seconds max. Unholstering it and aiming takes the longest. It would already be loaded if Im actively carrying. you can cock in and undo the safety at once because the safety is located in such a manner it can be done while gripping the handgun. Furthermore, you only need to cock it if there is not one in the chamber. Still, unless you are less than 10 feet away and charge me, I can probably get a shot off before you get me.

I know some people that can unholster, cock, turn off the safety and aim at a target 10 feet away in under 3 seconds. Furthermore, we aim center bodymass, so don't count on a miss close range.

Now.. I don't doubt your response time would have been shorter if you were on the bus... but I doubt you would have been able to respond any less than 20 seconds... I can make 30 stabbing motions in that time. I doubt you would have made much difference.

If a person sees somebody getting stabbed and it takes them 20 seconds to be ready to use a gun, they dont deserve to have it because they obviously must not know how to handle a gun. If this man were stabbing the kid repeatedly, consecutively without pause, you might not save the kid anyway. That doesnt mean that if you saw him get stabbed on the 4th stab, and you have a concealed handgun licensed, that you shouldnt be able to down this guy by the 6th or 7th stab. Too late for the kid? Probably. Possibly save another life if the guy decides to start stabbing somebody else? Well worth it.

But you are firing wildly on a crowded bus packed full of people. Even if you have dead aim and you drop this nutbar in one or two shots - what caliber are you carrying? Even a .22 would pass through psychopath and into the passenger behind him. Nice job - you just killed a friendly, or two. Of course, you are perfectly calm as you would be on a shooting range, because having someone slash up another human being wouldn't raise your adrenalin at all.

OK so since were talking wild hypotheticals here, lets say that he wasn't content with stabbing just this kid. One other person might get hit should the calliber be large enough. A .22 would easily pass through and hit one to two other people?? We ARE talking a .22 calliber pistol here right? You will be lucky to even put the guy down with a .22

Im going to stop this part right here as you obviously have no experience with firearms.

Scary story like this one always push me a little bit further in the right wing.
I remember a time when I was against death penalty. Now I am for it (Well only on extreme case like this)

Can we still talk about a human being?

At least, his new cellmates will beat him up like it's the custom.

This is insane !!!
And the victim was only 22 yrs old, he was just a kid.
WTF !!!
I commute to and from college everyday, and i often just doze of in the evening...
This could happen to anyone, even me !

Originally posted by Richard.M.J.Palmer
its not sensless or barbaric, its in human nature to destroy, after all, we are parasites to earth, we take ourselves, put ourselves above the food chain and out of the law of nature, and then implicate our own laws.

human + intelligence = destruction.

No, its simply nature. Life=Destruction, intelligence just gave us the ability to be more effective at it.

Originally posted by Richard.M.J.Palmer
so basicly what your saying is, its justifiable to kill a killer.

Every situation is different. There are no blanket rules. Asking is it justifiable to kill a murderer is like asking a loaded question, either way you answer you are wrong.

we go to war, we slaughter thousands of innocents, but the killers are honored and given rewards for this.

again, over generalizing an action like murder gets us nowhere. Trying to turn things like murder into black and white situations is only going to set us back.

killing isnt wrong, or immoral.

Some killing is wrong. Its wrong because society doesnt agree with certain types. It is really that simple. This is society, you agree to be a part of it, you will live by its rules.

i would be lying if i said i wasnt intruiged, i'd also be lying if i said apart of me didnt want to kill another human being.

its just life.

I'd suggest getting some help. A compulsion to murder isn't part of life. There is a huge difference between what you do and why you do it. I could see myself killing a bank robber that was armed and ready to kill. If you simply fancy the idea of killing some random person because it intruiges you, get some help.

[edit on 1-8-2008 by grimreaper797]

very intruiging, a man which must like the grim reaper has a problem with someone who is interested in killing.

as i said before, its in our nature.

Originally posted by Richard.M.J.Palmer
very intruiging, a man which must like the grim reaper has a problem with someone who is interested in killing.

as i said before, its in our nature.

Grim Reaper was the nickname I got for being very good at a FPS video game from my early highschool days. I just never bothered to change it.

Again, if you are intruiged by the idea of killing a man for no real reason, and its something you think about doing, you should get help. Its not OUR nature, its YOUR nature. Dont group everyone together like we are the same. We aren't. Nothing is so black and white, even human nature.

Originally posted by grimreaper797

Originally posted by Richard.M.J.Palmer
very intruiging, a man which must like the grim reaper has a problem with someone who is interested in killing.

as i said before, its in our nature.

Grim Reaper was the nickname I got for being very good at a FPS video game from my early highschool days. I just never bothered to change it.

Again, if you are intruiged by the idea of killing a man for no real reason, and its something you think about doing, you should get help. Its not OUR nature, its YOUR nature. Dont group everyone together like we are the same. We aren't. Nothing is so black and white, even human nature.

yes it is.

Well tonight on ctv, they interviewed his friends/roomates from childhood. The victim will be very well missed. But the most shocking thing I have ever heard is: its a SECOND DEGREE murder charge. For the most heinous crime, the kind unheard of basically in Canada, a SECOND degree. I intend to complain and try to get others to. Who do you complain to in a case like this? Your mp? So the guy is charged with a second degree and will probably get less than 3 years with good behavior, minus dead time by most judge's rulings. I know others think it doesn't go like that, but I've been following cases and their outcomes for 18 years, and thats the kind of thing it could easily become. There must be effective channels to launch a public outcry.

[edit on 1-8-2008 by mystiq]

I don't know if it has been posted, but there is police audio of the event, and it confirms some scary stuff....


Messed up.

Edit: The audio is possibly illegal to post. I removed it.

[edit on 1-8-2008 by Dulcimer]

Why is this bloke still alive and not laying dead on the bus floor full of police bullets?

In many cases, animals such as bears, crocodiles and sharks are hunted down after they kill humans.

In this case, he was caged inside the bus and ready to be put down - why wasn't he executed inside the bus?

It reminds me of the final scene in the movie SE7EN. No one wanted to be wrath?

[edit on 1-8-2008 by tezzajw]

Psychologists, profilers etc all salivate over the chance to study this guys mind. I couldn't believe it really was this guy when I found out. My profile was completely off.

The urge to blast his friggin head off was probably inside every cop, but....

Originally posted by Dulcimer
The urge to blast his friggin head off was probably inside every cop, but....

Sometimes, it's probably worth going with your natural urges...

What jury would have convicted a cop for putting him down in the bus, when a bloke in Texas gets off for shooting dead two burgulars in the back with a shotgun?, while he's confessing to it on the phone, as it happens???

Screw this world. The law does not reflect right or wrong. It's a set of rules used to control us, written by the power players.

After seeing this guy, I am really surprised that a group of men did not take him down before the police even arrived.

I mean, everyone is going to say they are macho, but this time I truly mean it. If I was there and I had a weapon with some length to it, I would have went in there and beat the living crap out of him, even if it was simply throwing whatever it was I had at him, hell go into the fields and grab some good HARD PRAIRIE ROCKS.

I would not let that "man" off easy. Poor kid that got killed for this.

Originally posted by mystiq
But the most shocking thing I have ever heard is: its a SECOND DEGREE murder charge. For the most heinous crime, the kind unheard of basically in Canada, a SECOND degree.

Curious, can this guy cop an insanity plea in Canada?

If so, what if he is found legally insane rather than a murderer?