Horror as bus passenger beheaded

Here's the gun carrying scenario:

The crazy guy starts stabbing.
A guy with the gun sees the stabbing, pulls out his gun.
The crazy guy continues to stab.
They guy with the gun fires at the stabber. But he misses.
Instead, he hits the woman near the stabber right in the head.
Her husband stands up and pulls his gun out and shoots the shooter.
Someone else screams "Hey, it was an accident, he was trying to shoot the stabber" and they pull out their gun, aiming at the Husband's forehead.
Where does it stop if EVERYONE has a gun? See the point?



[edit on 3-8-2008 by jupiter869]

My husband and I went down to Chicago to see John Lennon when he was alive and as we were quietly sitting on the bus when some guy pulls out a knife and threatened my husband, by putting the knife on his neck.

Everyone sat there just watching the driver didn't do anything. I had a feeling if we had reacted at all the guy would have cut / sliced / stabbed my husband.

Finally after a couple minutes of this the bus pulled up to one of the stops the guy laughed and made some racial slurs to us and got off - pretty scary.

Afterwards, my husband said he had the same feeling that by not giving this particular guy a reaction, he remained "cool".

At the time, in order to see John Lennon you had to travel through some pretty scary neighborhoods.


[edit on 3-8-2008 by ofhumandescent]

Since I haven't seen it posted before on this topic.

Newsflash: Polite exterior, troubled soul...

Link to story

I rode Greyhound from Ca to Wy several times in 60's my kids rode it in 80's form Vistorville to Escondido.It does not matter where we see it crop it it does and with the 24 hour news we know more and see more.I would take Greyhound for cheap Transportation to this day.
Stky Bsns

Here’s another case of decapitation on the Greek island of Santorini. The victim was beheaded by her partner who proceeded to parade her severed head around the streets.

Taking into account this incident, the sniper who killed three swimmers before surrendering himself to the police, and the victim in this thread, this weekend has thrown up three very disturbing acts by humans on their fellows.

What is going on? Is it just business as usual on planet Earth?

Greek decapitation

This is disturbing as they come... the really sad part though is that this guy will probably do very little time. Perhaps a few years in the loony bin even, he will no doubt plead insanity. Although, he may actually be insane, I mean he cut off another man's head on a bus full of people, sane people typically don't do that.

My prediction = 10-15 years in a mental institution, maybe less if he participates in therapy and doesn't behead anyone else. I would be shocked if he went to prison.

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I disagree. Wherever he ends up, either mental institution or prison, he'll be labeled a dangerous offender and will never be allowed back into society.

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finally came across what I was thinking, too.
Good precedent to begin scanning bus passengers and taking dna samples.

They say (no evidence here) it takes 5 years, or so, to develop and set the thought patterns. This guy would be a prime target. (Oh, and how many years was McCain held captive...? That's for another thread. Ah..., ah..., AH-HAARP Array-...CHOO!)

To be perfectly honest, what I find amazing about this, is that it doesn't happen a 100 times a day every day all over the country, in every country. People who have no future, no real hope, who where probably sucked by some movie, some rock star, some hype from someone there to fool others. People who perhaps made a few mistakes, maybe they where just nice, simple, innocent people, maybe taken advantage of, robbed, brutalized, etc.. With a slaughter house like this country has become, full of people who rationalize they're superior because of their good luck (at the moment). Who don't care, just want the poor to go away. Why the poor don't just attack, really speaks to their basic humanity. Good associations are good, bad are bad, some people go the wrong way, but this country houses (prisons) and fails to even try to really help, mostly because prison is a business not a community service. We operate as a country on the law of the jungle today, is it any wonder the beast doesn't come out for blood revenge once in awhile. We hide behind a fake psuedo "Civilization". Granted, in all likelyhood the poor victim as just in the wrong place at the wrong time. But this country should be, an perhaps is already, full of people who've had enough of people believing if only they're go away the world would be perfect for everyone else.

Originally posted by TheComte
reply to post by ANoNyMiKE

 

I disagree. Wherever he ends up, either mental institution or prison, he'll be labeled a dangerous offender and will never be allowed back into society.

I definitely disagree that he will "never" be allowed back in society. It's not 1st degree murder, second is the worst he can get since it was (seemingly) a random act of violence. More so than that, this is Canada, not America, we send out murderers to resort "prisons" with rowing teams and chain link fenced yards for a couple years, it's ridiculous.

He'll no doubt be monitored for life in some way, but I have no doubt he'll go home at some point. Life sentences are extremely rare here which I wish would change but it's true. Though I do agree with you that he deserves life in an institution, I just can't see it happening.

OK, being that i live in Winnipeg, i have access to information that seems to be hitting the web much slower. This is what i know so far.

at approx 9:30PM on Wednesday night, Vince Weiguang Li stabbed and beheaded Tim McLean Jr, 22 of Winnipeg MB, in what seems to be an unprovoked violent attack.
This first person to notice what was happening was 26 y/p Caton (first name unknown to me). He described the scene and stated that he was sitting directly in front of the killer. He hear a scream and looked back to see Li stabbing McLean repeatedly in the neck and chest with a large hunting knife (reports indicate it was longer than 9" but that in unconfirmed).
Caton stated that he asked anouther larger passenger to help him but that man ran off. He then decided that it was a loosing battle to do it alone and get himself killed so he ran as well. During this time Li continued to stab McLean (possibly as many as 50 times).
Caton, the bus driver and a trucker that stopped to help tried to reboard that bus with weapons. Li was seen cutting the head off of the vic. He then carged at the 3 men who understandably ran off the bus again. Li swang his knife through the door before it fully closed. luckily he didnt hurt anyone in that attempt. The 3 men successfully held the door shut and they were able to discable the bus so that Li could not leave. In an apparent attempt to psyche out the others Li carried the decapitated head to the front of the bus and held it up in the doorway. he then dropped it on the floor. All the while not showing any signs of emotion.
Cops arrived and there was a 5 hour standoff with Li. During wich time it was reported that Li defiled the body with scissors and proceeded to eat some of McLean's flesh.
The standoff ended at approximately 1:30AM when Li smashed a window and attempted to run from the bus. RCMP were able to subdue and arrest Li. They current;y have Li in custody in Portage La Prairie where he stood in front of a court room completely silent on friday morning. Court rulings will continue on Tuesday august 5.
RCMP have currently charged Vince Weiguang Li with 2nd degree murder (the highest degree possible for any individual with a history of mental ilness. Canabalism falls in that catagory).

Things that havent been discussed in this thread very thouroughly:

-passengers were watching Zoro when the attack started.
-the bus was located almost exactly at the halfway point between the closest towns (premeditated location?)
-Li got on the bus in Brandon, MB. approx. 4 hours from Winnipeg and 3 hours from where the attack occured.
-The vic go on in Edmonton and was returning to Winnipeg from working as a carny.
-Li has a wife back in Edmonton. He has a steady job as a paper carrier and imigrated from China 4 years ago.
-Li's employer was asked for time off at around this time that was denied. Li disapeared last monday from work and didnt even pick up his last paycheck.
-Li's wife was told that he had a family emergency and would be back in a few days. She did not know where he was headed.
-A friend of mine's aunt was on the bus. She said that the knife was like a rambo knife. she claims at least 9" long.

I also want to make a couple comments about other posts:
-To all those that think this man should have been killed on the spot i ask. what would that accomplish? Li was nutralized as a threat to anyone else. The only thing that you would accomplish from killing him is never having the chance to figure out the reason. I'm sure the family wouold like to know why more than having this guy dead. I know i would. He can rot in a jail or mental institute for the rest of his life. That would be a lot worse than killing the guy. If you end his existance he doesnt get to suffer the consequenses.
-and if he goes to an asylum, he will be there for the rest of his life. Cannibals dont get released. He may think he'll come out one day, but he never ever will.

Originally posted by ANoNyMiKE

Originally posted by TheComte
reply to post by ANoNyMiKE

 

I disagree. Wherever he ends up, either mental institution or prison, he'll be labeled a dangerous offender and will never be allowed back into society.

I definitely disagree that he will "never" be allowed back in society. It's not 1st degree murder, second is the worst he can get since it was (seemingly) a random act of violence. More so than that, this is Canada, not America, we send out murderers to resort "prisons" with rowing teams and chain link fenced yards for a couple years, it's ridiculous.

He'll no doubt be monitored for life in some way, but I have no doubt he'll go home at some point. Life sentences are extremely rare here which I wish would change but it's true. Though I do agree with you that he deserves life in an institution, I just can't see it happening.

you are somewhat wrong about that.
Yes some people are able to get out of instittutions, but find me one case where we have released a cannible back in to society.
This man ate part of his victim. Because of that RCMP are not able to charge him with frist degree (a charge im sure they wish they could impose.)
Anyone with a history of mental illness cannot be tried for first degree murder because it is accepted that someone with mental illness is not capable of determining right from wrong like a rational human being. Cannabalistic acts are considered to be mental illness therefore in Canada Vince Weiguang Li cannot be tried for first degree murder.
However, if he does get sentanced to a lifetime in an institute, i have no doubt he will remain there for the remainder of his life.
There is another case of a cannabalistic ritual murder that happened in Winnipeg over a decade ago. That man is still locked up. He thinks he will be out one day, but his doctors say that will never ever happen.

I dont know how it works in the states, but in canada, pleading insanity is NOT a free ride.

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Oh, shut it!

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or not is the right answer other wise you have to be crazy to make the world wose than it is!

reply to post by jupiter869


I'm sorry but responsible gun owners who practice shooting their firearms would have not missed. That includes me. People need to pack their gun and be ready for crazy people who want to hurt you. For me a gun would have killed the murderer, saved the victims life and saved us good tax paying people the money of going through court procedures, food and care for the animal.

Originally posted by Solarskye
reply to post by jupiter869

 

I'm sorry but responsible gun owners who practice shooting their firearms would have not missed. That includes me. People need to pack their gun and be ready for crazy people who want to hurt you. For me a gun would have killed the murderer, saved the victims life and saved us good tax paying people the money of going through court procedures, food and care for the animal.

if someone on the bus had a gun and did what you just said we would have a situation where the victim is still dead and the perp dead too. The only thing that would accomplish is never getting answers.
Probably wouldnt have seen a beheading, but that kid would have been daed. By the time anyone even knew he was getting stabbed it was to late.
Its not like it was one stab. it was repeated stabs with a LARGE HUNTING KNIFE. Even if the kid survived the initial attack. They were in the middle of but # nowhere. No emergency crews could have been there fast enough to save that guy anyway.

why does everyone have grand delusions of heroism? This was not preventable and Tim McLean was not saveable.
The best possible thing that could have been done was contain that killer long enough for him to be detained. which is exactly what happened.
Even with a gun on the bus (wich there wasnt so the whole argument is useless anyway) Time McLean would have still died on that bus. The only difference is the family may have a chance for answers now. instead of blowing the killer away and never finding out the real motives.
Vince Weiguang Li will get what's coming to him. He's not gonna be roaming the streets anytime soon.

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and in Australia!!!! The government dont have to worry they have their protection. What about the rest of us?

sounds similar to Colin Ferguson years ago in long island on rr. he said he was mind controlled as well..."He also found another man who was willing to testify that the government implanted a computer chip in Ferguson's brain..." strange days indeed

Per, Pumcy.
During wich time it was reported that Li defiled the body with scissors and proceeded to eat some of McLean's flesh.

When I was reading the post by Pumcy, I found the carrying of the scissors on his person to be "strange", if you have a knife for defensive or offensive purposes, why would a scissors be needed? It seems that his intent was for ease of removal of some body parts?

A second thought. Would Vince Weiguang Li have someone "after" him, or have believed that someone was "after" him? And if he thought that, would he then believe that the only way to be "safe" from said persons be to appear nuts, and get locked up in a mental hospital, under 24hr supervision?

Maybe he "knew too much" about something? Oh well, just a thought, and anoter "twist" on an already cryptic event.

Condolences to the family of Tim McLean Jr.

Could he have rabies (the killer)? because rabies will cause a animal or human to act agresseive and invinicble for no reason at all. This explains the random act of attack..