U.S. Intel: Iran Plans Nuclear Strike On U.S.

Originally posted by budski
Seems like they are trying to make people forget about this NIE

This is the very same NIE that bush refused to take any notice of because "it doesn't say what I want it to".

Ok, now let's talk about reality.
First of all, the NIE report in question did say that Iran prior to 2003 did indeed have a nuclear weapons program. So if you are going to believe that it was halted, then you must also believe that they did actually have a nuclear weapons program. So everyone saying that Iran only wanted nuclear power plants instead of nuclear weapons is totally bogus right?

Also, before this latest NIE report the same group said they were developing nuclear weapons. And now after the report, they are changing their tune again. Basically, the NIE and those who wrote it don't know what they are talking about and cannot be trusted.

Reshaping the NIE report

If Iran is not currently attempting to build nuclear weapons (and we know they did in the past) then why did the UN just slap Iran with a third round of sanctions.

3rd Round of Sanctions

Originally posted by WhatTheory
If Iran is not currently attempting to build nuclear weapons (and we know they did in the past) then why did the UN just slap Iran with a third round of sanctions.

For refusal of admittance essentially.

The UN still doesn't have any evidence of wrongdoing, but Iran also refuses to accept external authority... they view the UN as just another extension to the US military.

Also, looking at what happened to Iraq shortly after they allowed the UN to just walk right in, I'm not surprised. The UN is being used as a sideshow unfortunately, a "look he's under investigation, he must be bad!" jab.

I don't really blame them for refusing the UN, looking at what happened to Iraq under the same circumstances.


As for the OP news article... I can't believe they actually published that. This disgusts me. It's an insult (or it should be) to the intelligence of the free world to think we'd believe they have a missile that can reach the states.


Looks like the American people just weren't standing up for that "they're a threat to the region" lie, so now they've spun an even larger one.

Whats the next lie? Saddam is returning from the grave, with Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin, in a last evil struggle to kill freedom? lol


When they said American media was comical, I thought they were referring to the actual comedy shows.

Originally posted by johnsky

Originally posted by WhatTheory
If Iran is not currently attempting to build nuclear weapons (and we know they did in the past) then why did the UN just slap Iran with a third round of sanctions.

For refusal of admittance essentially.

No, the 3rd round of sanctions were applied against Iran for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment and heavy-water-related projects.

Source

The whitehouse tea party crew, Lie don't they?

I mean they've already been caught now MANY times. Now they are setting up MORE lies, to do the same unacceptable behaviour in this world.

The same tricks to get your sons and daughters to fight another war based on lies and trickery.


Why the hell are you fighting for them?? Has anyone not learned from Vietnam, Afganistan and all the others wars since 1945.

Iraq another war based on lies.

Now what, will people learn from Iran to get it into peoples head that this is absurd. How many are we expected to die here too? 30,000, 546,000 or another million? more or less, people that are dumb can argue over the figures, I'd rather no causalites to be honest. I'd rather nations behave like adults and stop creating wars.


So would everyone just leave Iran alone FFS. Just LEAVE them alone. They dont want to Attack America, They don't want to put up with been bullied or listening to its rant day in day out. Does anyone not realise that the bully is really obvious now Is it not America, oh no of course not....


This world is really pathetic.

[edit on 30-7-2008 by mind is the universe]

Originally posted by dgtempe
Such BS.

If they are, i want out.

I'm with you on that one, I Want Out!!!!! This isn't going to get any better thats for sure. Their seems to be a struggle for something going on behind the scene. Pretty soon some one is going to lose their cool and BOOM! Pop goes the weasel

Originally posted by Inannamute
It's so unlikely that Iran could or would attempt something like this.. It's one thing to launch nuclear weapons from the safety of your own country, it's quite another to move them halfway around the world, undetected, and fire one from a boat to somewhere in the US..

Not only this, I thought that Intel was released last year that Iran was at LEAST 10 years away from possibly developing a nuke in the first place.

I can see the pro war pro Bush admin people now saying that we need to turn the whole place into glass. Kill them before they kill us.

It sickens me that ignorant people like that still exist in a world where so much technology and knowledge is at their fingertips. It goes to show that the brainwashing to 'trust' your government completely has worked.

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Yeah, and the sad thing is that they have a large population that has many power shortages and such because they don't have the same resources to generate it. A nuclear power plant would take care of many of these issues. But why can't they have one when we have dozens? Well, because it would scare the crap out of Israel. That's one reason. The other is because WE, our government, has labeled them as one of the 'Axis of Evil' *loud booming echoing voice*. Keep swallowing their poop.

What justification do we have in preventing other nations from creating power plants of nuclear capabilities? Because they will create a bomb and use it? Where's the proof?

Here's a question for you.

Name me one country who has created nuclear power plants and has actually dropped a nuclear bomb on another country? Not on military positions but on civilian populations? Oh crap, I forgot. There is one. AMERICA. The United States. And yet this government has the balls to try and tell a country that is starved for electricity that they cannot pursue the most logical means to generate that power? Okay.

And you probably don't see the hypocrisy in that.

Originally posted by dariousg
Yeah, and the sad thing is that they have a large population that has many power shortages and such because they don't have the same resources to generate it. A nuclear power plant would take care of many of these issues. But why can't they have one when we have dozens?

They were offered the fuel for nuclear power plants and refused it. Why? Because they want nukes and not nuclear power. Also, since Iran is so oil rich all they have to do is build a few more refineries. They really don't need nuclear power. Again, nuclear power with the fuel was offered to Iran but they refused. Why do you think this is the case?

Originally posted by dariousg
reply to post by WhatTheory

 

Name me one country who has created nuclear power plants and has actually dropped a nuclear bomb on another country? Not on military positions but on civilian populations? Oh crap, I forgot. There is one. AMERICA. The United States. And yet this government has the balls to try and tell a country that is starved for electricity that they cannot pursue the most logical means to generate that power? Okay.

And you probably don't see the hypocrisy in that.

also:

how many countries did USA attack in recent history and how many did Iran?

I think that the numbers speak for themselves and which country (between these two) is greater danger for the world peace...

Originally posted by WhatTheory
They really don't need nuclear power

If they want Nuclear power, That's not any concern to America.

Saudi Arabia is supposedly investing in Nuclear power, as oil will one day run out.


Still unnacceptable behaviour, coming from the white house, telling Iran what to do, and poking them consistengly for the last 2 years, for a war.

Originally posted by mind is the universe
If they want Nuclear power, That's not any concern to America.

Again, they were offered nuclear plants with fuel but refused it. Why? Because they want nukes and not nuclear power. Besides, the NIE report already stated that they had a nuclear weapons program. Do you really think they just forgot about it and stopped their program? I hope not.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by mind is the universe
If they want Nuclear power, That's not any concern to America.

Again, they were offered nuclear plants with fuel but refused it. Why? Because they want nukes and not nuclear power. Besides, the NIE report already stated that they had a nuclear weapons program. Do you really think they just forgot about it and stopped their program? I hope not.

So.............................

Originally posted by mind is the universe
So.............................

So.............why did they not want the nuclear power plants with the fuel if they really need them for power? Answer: They want nukes not nuclear power. Simple really.

Dude, they were offered quite a lot of restrictions with that offer too.

That was a loaded offer, completely loaded. Why would Iran want a nuclear power plant that remains owned by the US?

Iran is getting the plants built for them by russia, who are also supplying the fuel, on the condition that all spent fuel rods are returned to them.

The real problem is that the US is pissed off because Iran doesn't want to do businees with them, has ceased trading in dollars (oil) and didn't buy the fuel from them.

It all comes back to money.

As usual.

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did someone just get the Iraq papers on word and replace Iraq with Iran?
billions in research and other survalance methods
and this is what they come up with?

i bet we could get chimps come up with better intel

Originally posted by johnsky
Dude, they were offered quite a lot of restrictions with that offer too.

Like what? Link please.
But if they were so desperate for power I think they would have accepted any offer. It would still be cheaper and easier for them to build a few new refineries instead of nuclear power anyway.

Originally posted by dariousg
I can see the pro war pro Bush admin people now saying that we need to turn the whole place into glass. Kill them before they kill us.

See this is what I was saying on the other page. Everyone has an opinion and everyone else's opinions are wrong.

Here is a great example of one of our dillemas.
No one likes the 'kill them before they kills us' way, and no one wants to be killed first, so if they were going to attack us, what do we do?

We could shoot it down if it is far away from us. Even then some of the people would say we shot it at ourselves, some would say we deserved it, because we are bullies, some would say we need to attack with everything we have and turn them into a glass bowl.

We could not shoot it down and then shame on them for not protecting us properly.

Thats not even thinking about what would happen if someone were to sail a weapon over our country (nuke, missile, plane, etc.). Then what do we do???

We cant win. We are too divided. We would turn on each other rather than on who ever tried to harm us.

These next few months is our achellies heel. Even if they did not harm us physically, I am not confident our country could survive it.

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Originally posted by budski
Iran is getting the plants built for them by russia, who are also supplying the fuel, on the condition that all spent fuel rods are returned to them.

There you go. What's wrong with this deal?
Since they now have nuclear plants and fuel, why must they continue their hidden agenda to produce uranium? Answer: Because they want nukes!
Thanks, this just proved my point.

reply to post by WhatTheory


the answer is simple
why would a country that has the Raw meteial to produce the fuel for its reactors want to be relient on others?

Russia has proven what it can do when it gets pissed off, England and some eurpean countries are fine examples when Gas was cut off or limited due to russia having a hissy fit with a country over price.

the US is a fine example on what happens when it becomes heavily relient on others to meet its fuel needs

same with India/china and so on.

if Iran has any sanity they wouldnt allow them selves to be put in that position where they have to rely on others

now wasnt that a simple amswer