Shards of the Illuminati

Ok, I'm gonna ask a question -

Kvasir, can you please elaborate on Maban's last trip to Russia?

Following Tenzin's message about Maban's and few others Illuminons
demise, several contributors to this thread, myself included,
spent hours searching for any evidence in public channels.

We looked at fires, building collapses, gas leaks - what not.
Only 1 blast in Inhushetia was matching but made NO SENSE
whatsoever because setting the Refuge in terror-infested land
well, just doesn't sound logical.

What's going on? What happened?
You already referred to Maban as dead in your prior posts - can you
share what happened? And why this supposedly NIA action was
blacklisted from ALL news channels? How??

Edited - sorry nevermind that.

[edit on 11-5-2009 by rememberence]

reply to post by eventHorizon

Originally posted by eventHorizon
Ok, I'm gonna ask a question -

Kvasir, can you please elaborate on Maban's last trip to Russia?

Can you give me time to answer this question, I'm attempting to both understand how to proceed and gaining the proper authorizations necessary.
I will do what I can.

What's going on? What happened?
You already referred to Maban as dead in your prior posts - can you
share what happened? And why this supposedly NIA action was
blacklisted from ALL news channels? How??

Its complicated, I can say with a degree of certainty that it was not NIA action however. I will present more details as authorized.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by Kvasir]

Hi Kvasir
The term NIA has been used several times but what does this acronymn actually stand for. The only NIA i can think of is the one set up by truman which became the NSA.
I am one of those odd people who actually believed the Nazis built prototype UFO'S which the US managed to complete into working craft.
I suppose what i am getting at is does your organisation use similar craft and if not what are these orbs i saw which seem to be everywhere lately.
Any information would be appreciated as to be quite frank it is getting a bit frustrating trying to figure out what the big picture is and what the **** is going on.

Originally posted by emsed1
I am satisfied that Kvasir's is who he claims to be. I don't know who he is though, if that makes any sense.

Well, that makes absolutely perfect sense.

Rememberence urgently needs information from Kvasir, not the other way around.

...

My intuition is that Kvasir is here for a specific purpose.

Originally, the purpose was to save as many as they can?

I didn't take it that way at all. In fact I often get tunnel-vision when I begin to let intuition guide and not rationality.

They should be used together, ideally.

Originally posted by Cadbury
I had spoken to both Maban and Emsed1 extensively in encrypted IM communications and no such establishment was ever made at that time, to the very best of my knowledge. I have no idea who Kvasir is, but he sounds an awful lot like someone I once knew...

Almost precisely the information that I was looking for and in some way confirmation of my own 'instincts' in the matter. Thank you.

Originally posted by emsed1
I am satisfied that Kvasir's is who he claims to be. I don't know who he is though, if that makes any sense.

The only two-way communication I have had with Kvasir is in this thread. We have not spoken privately.

I would not say there was fear but hesitation. There were three pieces of information I needed before I could be certain. One piece I obtained immediately after his arrival on the thread. The second was intuitive in nature. It was ultimately confirmed but it took a couple of hard days and concentration. The third and final piece was in an answer he gave someone else on the board. An item that could not be known unless he was an Illuminon.

I am not by nature a cautious person but I feel a little is required here, for a number of not necessarily obvious reasons. That said I trust the judgement of you and Cadbury, amongst others, on this thread, and with that I accept that you know what you are doing and shall duly butt out.

Originally posted by emsed1
Rememberence urgently needs information from Kvasir, not the other way around.

In your earlier post you suggested it was both, I am almost sure of it.

Originally posted by emsed1

I didn't take it that way at all. In fact I often get tunnel-vision when I begin to let intuition guide and not rationality.

I am glad you took my enquiry in the spirit it was intended. As EnlightenUp said, use both in equal balance. Intuition is the guide, the rationale will provide confirmation or at the least, further questions that you require answering.

Originally posted by emsed1
My intuition is that Kvasir is here for a specific purpose.

It seems to me in terms of timing, that Maban last reappeared when Gaza kicked off and now, Kvasir emerges when things are a touch tense in Sri Lanka.

Originally posted by emsed1
When organizations flatten and decentralize it is necessary for individual cells to take certain initiatives.

Loyalties and agendas may also become divided, without leadership and direction things can quickly go pear shaped...some chasing rainbows others seeking revenge or quick-fix solutions. As I said, just feeling a need for some caution.

Originally posted by emsed1
Of course like everyone else I have a billion questions that have piled up since we last heard from Tenzin, and hopefully Kvasir can stay around long enough to help us out.

I shall look forward to reading both your questions and the hoped for responses, I haven't any further questions myself, as yet, but certainly still enjoying the ride.

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


Please don't butt out. :-) Many times you are the conscience of the thread.

The same goes for EnlightenUp. Checks and balances.

Spannera - NIA is an acronym for 'national intelligence agency'. It is not an "Official" organization, though. I don't believe that is the actual name either.

Unfortunately when we had the big U2U outage last year I lost a crapload of my messages from Maban about it, but from what I recall it is a collection of various well-funded agencies (many with their own acronyms) that perform intelligence operations far beyond the 'official' scope and charter of any of the other well-known three letter groups.

I have to cut this post short to attend to something but I will elaborate shortly.

Also, just a quick note -

I have been working on putting together a "Shard Primer". I want to distill the information in this thread into a collaborative, living document.

I have about 75% of the information that I need but at some point I'd like to enlist the help of those willing to share any 'offline' communications with Maban.

Oooh... (sorry the ADD is kicking it) Maybe it could be a Wiki!

(Quick question for internet savvy folks - are Wikis still cool? or are they passe' like blogs now?)

Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by KilgoreTrout

 

Please don't butt out. :-) Many times you are the conscience of the thread.

The same goes for EnlightenUp. Checks and balances.

Haha! What exactly do I counterbalance here? I know I can't be a conscience. A serpent in the royal grain reserves, perhaps. Any elaboration, no matter how blunt, is a good elaboration.

reply to post by EnlightenUp


I was going to say "Devil's Advocate" :-)

reply to post by spannera


Here is the info I was looking for regarding NIA from Maban:

(edit for spacing)

NIA, The National Intelligence Agency is a name we managed to glean form some apprehended documents and computer files.

The NIA is structured in an almost undetectable and untraceable way, thus their ever elusive nature. They operate underground with various leaders, like that that of cells. They operate from a wide variety of locations, and possess the capacity for establishing a complex, and vanishing in record times.

One day a cell leader may be renting in an office building, or working out of a shipping container the next. There movements are erratic and random, and almost impossible to predict or trace. The cells issue various instructions which are then discreetly passed on via circuitous patterns to their subordinates.

The subordinates are employed by many, allow me to repeat myself many, federal and international agencies, governments, and organizations abroad. They are indeed paid by these organizations as well as by the NIA proper. The various agents and associates to the NIA will execute their orders to whatever end.

In many cases only an executive or CO will know what their orders are and will not inform their subordinates where or whom the orders are from. They will either execute their orders as apart of their normal duties where they are employed, or outside of them depending upon the task.

One commonality among these subordinates is either the less common loyalty to the NIA proper, or the more common loyalty to their CO or manager, and an insatiable thirst for money. As for actual funding for side operations and the NIA organization itself, it is collected in various ways.

They have been involved with many crime syndicates and other black market rings. They do not directly interface with these organizations but simply provide services and contact information, in result getting a percentage of the final deal. They also receive funding from "lost funds" via laundering and other methods. Just as well they receive bribery funds from blackmail type operations.

They possess sufficient capital, political, and military weight to what they wish, when they wish with little to no indication as to who or what did it; while maintaining absolute discretion and invisibility. They are by all definitions ghosts. It is only with perseverance, intellect, and sheer luck that we have learned as much as we have.

To uncover the basic structure of this organization took over fifty years. My grandfather told me before he died, that he was actually at the Council meeting where the "theory" of NIA was first proposed.

[edit on 5/12/09 by emsed1]

Enlightened and Kilgore are both very important. As is emsed.

Also - they need to know what I know, yes, but mostly just to clarify things really.

I need to know what they know however rather badly.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by rememberence]

Originally posted by Kvasir

As far as we can tell, it is not predicting events, so much as recounting them.
We are unable to explain this fully however.

I'm bored.

It's a combination of both. Using what's happened in the past to anticipate - not predict - the events of the future. You've to realize that, while yes everything is balanced on 3, the third force isn't actually neutrality but balance itself.

Also you have to start understanding the magnitude of the true forces of order and Chaos which is a bit of a mindjob to undertake.

Anyway, chaos is impossible to predict, by it's very nature. However using the events of the past it's somewhat possible to /anticipate/ the events of the future, even within chaos.

Make sense?

Edit: Okay anticipate isn't exactly the right word. Based on various factors and previous occurances you can use previous knowledge to calculate probable scenerios. Also there's another factor involved. So calculation combined with intuition.

Hrm.

This is harder to explain than I thought.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by rememberence]

Originally posted by rememberence
Edit: Okay anticipate isn't exactly the right word. Based on various factors and previous occurances you can use previous knowledge to calculate probable scenerios. Also there's another factor involved. So calculation combined with intuition.

It's more automatic than what that seems to imply though. It's not as if one laboriously arrives at a conclusion from conscious relation of multitudinous bits of information but instead has a few thoughts brought to mind by letting one's mind wander or perhaps something someone says. At once, a synthesis is generated. After the fact, and perhaps with some effort, the bits can be extracted from the synthesis. However, in some cases an explanation is difficult since the input may be based off something completely non-verbal like watching a persons body movements for a few moments.

Originally posted by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by rememberence
Edit: Okay anticipate isn't exactly the right word. Based on various factors and previous occurances you can use previous knowledge to calculate probable scenerios. Also there's another factor involved. So calculation combined with intuition.

It's more automatic than what that seems to imply though. It's not as if one laboriously arrives at a conclusion from conscious relation of multitudinous bits of information but instead has a few thoughts brought to mind by letting one's mind wander or perhaps something someone says. At once, a synthesis is generated. After the fact, and perhaps with some effort, the bits can be extracted from the synthesis. However, in some cases an explanation is difficult since the input may be based off something completely non-verbal like watching a persons body movements for a few moments.

Yes and no. It's not as if one laboriously arrives from conclusion to conscious relation. It's as if one consciously arrives at conclusion after conclusion in an instant.

I /could/ explain. But it would take a while. I have to be able to explain things or it doesn't work.

*Thinks.* Combine Spock and Kirk from the new Star Trek.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by rememberence]

Originally posted by rememberence
Yes and no. It's not as if one laboriously arrives from conclusion to conscious relation. It's as if one consciously arrives at conclusion after conclusion in an instant.

I don't know. To me it feels like a flow or even a rush more than conclusion to conclusion.

I /could/ explain. But it would take a while. I have to be able to explain things or it doesn't work.

I suppose, but then we're getting into trying to convey our own internal perceptions of our own though processes.

Just what are we trying to discussion along this line of inquiry? Perhaps we've gotten a little off track so soon?

"It is the Alethiometer. It tells the truth. As for how to read it, you'll have to learn by yourself."

[edit on 5/12/2009 by EnlightenUp]

[edit on 5/12/2009 by EnlightenUp]

Originally posted by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by rememberence
Yes and no. It's not as if one laboriously arrives from conclusion to conscious relation. It's as if one consciously arrives at conclusion after conclusion in an instant.

I don't know. To me it feels like a flow or even a rush more than conclusion to conclusion.

I /could/ explain. But it would take a while. I have to be able to explain things or it doesn't work.

I suppose, but then we're getting into trying to convey our own internal perceptions of our own though processes.

Just what are we trying to discussion along this line of inquiry? Perhaps we've gotten a little off track so soon?

"It is the Alethiometer. It tells the truth. As for how to read it, you'll have to learn by yourself."

[edit on 5/12/2009 by EnlightenUp]

[edit on 5/12/2009 by EnlightenUp]

Nothing really. I'm bored and have to talk to his robot thing.

Originally posted by rememberence
Nothing really. I'm bored and have to talk to his robot thing.

I'm sorry, Sir, but... what?

Originally posted by Cadbury

Originally posted by rememberence
Nothing really. I'm bored and have to talk to his robot thing.

I'm sorry, Sir, but... what?

The lumen whatever. It's sentient. I need to talk to it to figure out what it knows.