Shards of the Illuminati

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Maban's Deviant Art profile used the following icon:
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Is that a little blue flower?

In the novel, use of Substance D over an extended period can cause the user's consciousness to separate into two distinct parts. The drug also appears to facilitate the inducement of shared delusions, made manifest as folie à deux. The source of Substance D remains a mystery throughout most of the novel, though various theories are proposed. It is speculated that Substance D is imported from the U.S.S.R. as a Communist scheme to destroy American resistance to Communism; that it was sent to Earth by aliens intent on either enlightening mankind or reducing humans to a zombie-like slave race; that it is involved in a government or corporate plot. At the end of the book, we find out that Substance D is an organic substance, derived from little blue flowers that are grown on large plantations, hidden between rows of corn as cover. Ironically, the drug is harvested by the brainwashed inmates of Substance D drug rehabilitation centers who are suffering from neurocognitive deficits as a result of their drug addiction.

Philip K. Dick also gives the name of the species of the flower, which helps to show the relevant meaning of the story and the nature of both the drug and the character's struggle. The name is Mors ontologica,[3] which translates as "ontological death", that is, "death of being".

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In WWII when German Freemasons were being led to their deaths at the order of Hitler, some lodges traded their Masonic lapel pins for blue forget-me-nots.

Today the blue forget-me-not is a symbol to Freemasons in remembrance of the 80,000 that were killed by the Nazis.




[edit on 5/10/09 by emsed1]

Originally posted by emsed1
In WWII when German Freemasons were being led to their deaths at the order of Hitler, some lodges traded their Masonic lapel pins for blue forget-me-nots.

Today the blue forget-me-not is a symbol to Freemasons in remembrance of the 80,000 that were killed by the Nazis.

I know, in fact, it was one of my first enquiries of the freemasons on this board when I joined ATS. Very helpful you all were too, Rockpuck in particular as I recall.

reply to post by KilgoreTrout

Should I have one? If you are confused to the meaning of my statement I am happy to clarify, but any 'point' that I intended to make, has been made.

I understand your statement, I just fail to see how such an individual would be subseptable to the same "weight" that the rest of humanity would feel.

Indigenous to where?

I cannot disclose more.

There seems to be some goal post shifting going on. Is it a 'belief'? An 'interpretation'? Or as now seems to be the case a cold-hard-fact?

All, and none of the above; it depends on point of view. We know this individual exists, the only debate (internally) has been whether this individual whom will change things, is external or internal to humanity. Whether we must seek him out, or he will seek us out. There are few disagreements among Illuminons, but this is one of them. The Enlightened Ones do not do anything without purpose.

Or perhaps, given your current situation and disbandment, you are grasping at the same myths that those who are seeking direction cling to?

Or perhaps you are the one clinging to myths; myths of weakness?
I cling to nothing but my purpose; I will overlook any intended or unintended insult.

Although I may seem to be picking fault, I simply seek a little clarity.

Because clearly the two are one in the same.

If you know the source of those myths or can shed any further light on their origin it would help to compose a clearer picture.

So you're looking and waiting presumably. Given your disbandment, how do you propose to help said individual? Obviously, I don't wish for specifics but it seems a fair question, are you and your compatriots in any position to aid this person?

Knowledge is power.

Presumably, if you are looking for them, so are the Remanents? Wouldn't that individual require significant protection?

No comment.

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Since I was speaking of sheepherding in a prior post, I have to ask that if in fact it has never been wrong, could it be because it subtlely guides events on a planetary scale to a predetermined end, perhaps by giving you, the Shards, specific instructions or even through means that I should not be able to fathom?

As far as we can tell, it is not predicting events, so much as recounting them.
We are unable to explain this fully however.

Is the Lumen ab Verum actually more than a piece of technology but instead a living being or something containing a living being, though perhaps profoundly more alive than we mere simians would normally consider? My opinion from what has been said about it is that it exhibits behavior like that of a living entity.

There have been theories that contained within it is a semi-sentient artificial intelligence, yet again even the most simplistic of our computational systems can easily mimic intelligence. There has been no proof however that such an entity exists beyond simplistic heuristic sensory identification, and self defense actions.

Is the Lumen ab Verum accessible remotely by those individuals with whom the 'technology' is RNA-compatible?

RNA-Compatible?! Where did that come from? No remote viewing, nothing that fantastic The Lumen ab Verum interacts with individuals via a sort of holographic interface, typically. In some special instances it allows for the spontaneous neural upload of information (i.e. language). This process is done through a resequncing of RNA and thus DNA which effects genetic memory (and even possible IFF) and enhancement of intrinsic abilities; that is all.

reply to post by spannera


Simply, what people perceive as truth is often truth, rearranged into what is actually fiction. Take the sequence of events or details out of order, and it is practically indistinguishable from truth. Most of history's rewriting has not so much been rewriting; that is too obvious. It is much more believable and much more convincing to simply reorder events to change their true shape and meaning totally.

Story A:
A man with a gun enters a jewelry store, shots ring out, the man with a gun runs bleeding from the jewelry store as police arrive and begin t pursue him.

Result:
Police chase the man with a gun down into an alleyway, he waves his weapon to his side, they fire to stop him. The local news reports that a robber was killed today and was left by his compatriot to die, end of story.

Story B:
A man enters a jewelry store, a second man passes and sees the first waving a knife at the woman behind the counter. The man outside draws his gun and enters inside yelling at the robber to drop his weapon. The robber tries to stab the man with the gun in hand. The man with a gun opens fire, but not before being slashed with the robber's knife. As the man gets back up the robber runs out the back door. The man with a gun heads outside bleeding as police begin to arrive. He heads for the back alleyway to head him off.

Result:
Once they see him in their sights the police yell out to the man with a gun to stop. The man with a gun motions down the alleyway with his gun to the robber now getting away; the police open fire perceiving his motion as a threat. The man with a gun is shot dead. The local news reports that a robber was killed today, end of story. The traumatized jewelery store owner is told that under the stress she is misremembering. End of story.

Same event, two different stories. One good, one evil. You be the judge.

[edit on 10-5-2009 by Kvasir]

reply to post by Kaleon


Honestly, I can't been begin to even understand your questions, let alone provide accurate answers. My specialty has always been in the fundamental operations of the Shards, not its history or spiritual undertones. I am more of a practical person than a highly inquisitive person. Rather, I should say my interests lye elsewhere, and rather than looking everywhere, I excel at narrowing my search. My specialty lies in counterintelligence.

reply to post by kshaund

So my question is "why" this Lumen Ab Verum refers to Ra

It doesn't, you've got it backwards.
It doesn't refer to Ra', Ra' refers to it.

Originally posted by Kvasir
I understand your statement, I just fail to see how such an individual would be subseptable to the same "weight" that the rest of humanity would feel.

Your implication being that this individual will have abilities that would render them immune to any burden of responsibility? Or that they would not 'feel' that weight of responsibility? Emotional detachment? Super powers?

All, and none of the above; it depends on point of view. We know this individual exists, the only debate (internally) has been whether this individual whom will change things, is external or internal to humanity. Whether we must seek him out, or he will seek us out. There are few disagreements among Illuminons, but this is one of them. The Enlightened Ones do not do anything without purpose.

Exists or will exist? Are you expecting an imminent arrival? And not necessarily of this Earth or dimension?

Or perhaps you are the one clinging to myths; myths of weakness?
I cling to nothing but my purpose; I will overlook any intended or unintended insult.

There was no insult intended. What myths of weakness do you think I may have? I believe that there is strength in unity, I accept responsibility for my own actions and do not expect anyone to save me. I am open to the possibility that an individual, ala 'Stranger in a Strange Land' could come forward to lead change, but enough of a pragmatist to understand that humanity is some distance from unification and that strong resistence exists to it also. That to me is a heavy burden for one person to carry, and it is to my mind unnecessary for one person to carry it. And, I'm not really sure why anyone would want to.

Although I may seem to be picking fault, I simply seek a little clarity.

Because clearly the two are one in the same.

How so? Is it possible that you are on the defensive? I am allowed to disagree with you. You may have all the evidence that you need, I do not. I am not looking for faults, I am attempting to fill gaps in my understanding. There is a difference.

Knowledge is power.

Not really. Unless you're in the line to blackmail, but I see your point.

Presumably, if you are looking for them, so are the Remanents? Wouldn't that individual require significant protection?

No comment.

I see.

Originally posted by oconnection

 

Firstly I want to say welcome to the thread, your insight is always welcome. Sometimes I feel when it comes to this thread we are a bunch of blind children trying to find there way in a dark dark room.

Thank you, I will do my best to aid you.

If you are Maban, know Maban, if you are part of his organization in my opinion it doesn't matter. What's important is we have some guide into this subject, so thank you.

Don't thank me yet, I am not sure what help I can be, but I will do my best.

Now to my question:
I know this has been asked before when Maban was here but it was brought up again. The return of the "Enlightened Ones" and the talk of helping an individual when the time is right seems to align with "End time" prophecy which many Christians follow and believe. Being raised Christian I can't help but see a connection, or a similar story to what I've read in the book of Revelations. It seems that this individual in the minds of many Christians could be seen as whats referred as the "Anti-Christ". Are there any parallels?

Where do you think Christianity got the idea?
Unfortunately Christianity has been manipulated, in an effort to be used against humanity over time immemorial. In effect, those whom believe the modern day version, and not it's ancient message will not be fighting evil, but good. By turning devout believers of good, into warriors of the darkness, it provides the ultimate weapon against the forces of light. Light cannot so easily destroy the good, but will be forced into killing the good to save the innocent. This is why the Illuminati is an arch nemesis of the Catholic Church, and any such organization which propagates their beliefs. They are in fact an unwitting sworn enemy of the Light, of good: even though they believe to the contrary.

Unfortunately "The One" as I and Maban spoke of, is the one whom will help and be the catalyst to uniting humanity. Both external and internal forces do not want this to happen, so through the internal and external manipulation of religion (such as Christianity) they are able to maintain power and control and bring great force to bear against such said individual; or as they have labeled him "The Ant-Christ." Bear in mind that the Lumen ab Verum has been around a great deal longer than any religion or spiritual beliefs. It is in effect responsible for the creation of many. It is after all primarily a teaching device.

I do not know to what extent Maban spoke of this, or if at all. He was soft spoken for a radical thinker. I apologize if I have offended any, but truth (as many say you seek) is often unflattering and hard to digest.

Those whom have had access to or possessed the Lumen ab Verum have recognized the stark comparison between recorded history, and actual history. At which point the manipulation is apparent and damming. However, it is not our duty to "tell all," but to let the powers greater than us "sort it all out" as it were. We just keep the peace so things don't get worse than they are.

[edit on 10-5-2009 by Kvasir]

[edit on 10-5-2009 by Kvasir]

Originally posted by Kvasir
My specialty lies in counterintelligence.

Now I'm just tickled pink!!

reply to post by Kaleon

4.) Do you think you can disclose to us a little bit more of what the Lumen ab Verum says about "The One"?

I just ask because I have some suspicions about who this person might be and how he will rise and I want to find out if your "records" speak about that person.

So do you think you can tell us a little bit more about this individuals origins, how he will rise, and why you think he might be an enlightened one or else why not?

This is where the internal divide exists, honestly we can only guess, an educated one at that, but still just a good guess.

Does the lumen ab verum also speak about other "minor" individuals (or another "minor" individual) who will also rise someday in the future, or maybe even about someone greater than "the one".

No, just one.

Is "the one" the same person maban mentioned earlier, whom he has allegedly found and who speaks as if he were a member of the shards although he may not even know about you and who would become an obstacle against darkness in the next few years? Is this Mabans personal interpretation/identification of "the one" or did he speak about a totaly different individual?

Same individual, although I have my reservations about this person in particular. Although Maban was a radicalist, he had an uncanny tendency of being right. I honestly don't know. But, personally I believe that one person internally will rise and we will support him; at least I will. Basically, we will know him when we see him; ideally.

reply to post by emsed1

I know you were directing these at Kvasir but I wanted to help out where possible. I don't believe "the one" has fully realized his/her destiny yet. Maban felt that the next 50 to 70 years would be a critical time for humanity and that perhaps those of us who live that long will be able to experience the full impact of it.

This is a wise interpretation, I could not have said it better myself.

Originally posted by Kvasir

Originally posted by EnlightenUpIs the Lumen ab Verum accessible remotely by those individuals with whom the 'technology' is RNA-compatible?

RNA-Compatible?! Where did that come from?

In short, Maban had said that unless a person possessed specific initial RNA sequences, use of the Lumen ab Verum for resequencing was not possible.

When inquiring why Hitler could never have made use of the technology, even if he managed to procure it, Maban's final explanation was thusly:

The [key] is not something to be "figured out". It is either something you possess or you do not. So you are either able to use their technology, or not; it is as simple as that.

Perhaps I misunderstood Maban. Later I believe he mentioned "purity of heart" as a key to even get near the thing.

No remote viewing, nothing that fantastic The Lumen ab Verum interacts with individuals via a sort of holographic interface, typically.

In some special instances it allows for the spontaneous neural upload of information (i.e. language). This process is done through a resequncing of RNA and thus DNA which effects genetic memory (and even possible IFF) and enhancement of intrinsic abilities; that is all.

He never did mention remote viewing, nor did I ask. I was just wondering about access from a long distance-- miles, hundred of miles, thousands, etc. and whether possibly the appropriate crossection of the population of earth could have knowledge bestowed to them or said enhancements to abilities without actually moving into close proximity of the Lumen ab Verum itself.

In other words, could it cause or contribute to a widespead consciousness shift in certain individuals?

reply to post by EnlightenUp


An individual must be in close physical proximity to the Lumen Ab Verum in order to experience it's effects.

I am not clear on whether it can read 'intent' and protect itself accordingly, or if there is some biometric technology at work here. *IF* (big IF) there are bloodlines or alien-manipulated DNA at work here that would make sense that only those who are intended to access it can access it.

More clues: The background that appeared on Maban's mini-profile a few months back is a representation of how the "Enlightened Ones" structure their technology. I don't know what that means. It was a rendering Maban made that perhaps has meaning in this context.

Kvasir - Can you tell us about your life history? When did you find out and how did you learn of your destiny? Is it passed down genetically?

Perhaps this is a clue to identifying the One.

My belief is that the one is alive now. He is of human birth. He feels a calling and senses a destiny, but is not sure he understands it fully. He intuitively knows what is truth and what is deception, but hasn't figured out a way to present it effectively yet.

He is soft-spoken and empathetic. Because he is slightly eccentric and somewhat uneasy in his dealings with others he is occasionally ridiculed or exploited for his kindness.

His destiny is written and events will unfold as they are intended. His true nature will remain unknown for many years by the general population.

He will need Illuminon contact and guidance, even if the nature of the guidance is subtle and discreet. His presence will be recognized by the Illuminon before he understands himself what his true destiny holds. Even the Illuminon may not fully understand their role in his development, but when the time arrives he will understand what must be done and he will know how to accomplish it.

The remaining Illuminon play a key role in this unfolding event. You are guides and guardians and once everything is in place he will be able to explain more and be able to direct your preparations for the events at hand.

Does anyone know of a way to contact Maban?

Edit:

So before posting that I hadn't looked in this thread since last I was here. So I didn't know of this:

Originally posted by emsed1
Here are some more clues from Tenzin, who came back to the thread on February 23 to confirm Maban's death: (edited for spacing)

...so, especially given the post directly above this one, I need to talk to someone. But I only know of and trust Maban. I do not know how to appropriately resolve this situation.

[edit on 11-5-2009 by rememberence]

reply to post by rememberence


I had some strange feeling you'd be posting on this thread again today and I wasn't disappointed.

All I can suggest is to read carefully.

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
reply to post by rememberence

 

I had some strange feeling you'd be posting on this thread again today and I wasn't disappointed.

All I can suggest is to read carefully.

Hrm. Very well. The whole thread again or specific parts?

Edit:

Kilgore: "So you're looking and waiting presumably. Given your disbandment, how do you propose to help said individual? Obviously, I don't wish for specifics but it seems a fair question, are you and your compatriots in any position to aid this person? Presumably, if you are looking for them, so are the remanents? Wouldn't that individual require significant protection?"

Yes they would.

"In some special instances it allows for the spontaneous neural upload of information (i.e. language). This process is done through a resequncing of RNA and thus DNA which effects genetic memory (and even possible IFF) and enhancement of intrinsic abilities; that is all."

I imagine it would feel rather much like when Neo had information uploaded into his brain.

"There have been theories that contained within it is a semi-sentient artificial intelligence, yet again even the most simplistic of our computational systems can easily mimic intelligence. There has been no proof however that such an entity exists beyond simplistic heuristic sensory identification, and self defense actions."

Semi-sentient AI. Why semi? *Thinks.* This is important.

Too many things catching my attention. Where is the Lumin thing first mentioned in this thread?




[edit on 11-5-2009 by rememberence]

reply to post by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
In short, Maban had said that unless a person possessed specific initial RNA sequences, use of the Lumen ab Verum for resequencing was not possible.

That is kind of true. Unless the Lumen ab Verum has resequenced your DNA, it's impossible to access certain "features" of it; otherwise you can still use it, just not to the full extent.

Perhaps I misunderstood Maban. Later I believe he mentioned "purity of heart" as a key to even get near the thing.

Maban had a tendency of jumping the gun, so I would blame him and not you. After all it was his "crazy" idea to start this thread. As for "Purity of Heart," well I'm flattered he quoted me. Purity of Heart is the true access key as it were. Unless you are generally a good person, with good intentions it will let you close to it; if not its self defense systems activate. Its abilities range from a simplistic cloaking like-field, to memory engram reconstitution, to a yellowish plasma (force field), to an all out vaporization of anything and everything nearby. Like the Enlightened Ones, it only uses force when it has no other recourse.

In other words, could it cause or contribute to a widespread consciousness shift in certain individuals?

As far as we have experienced you have to be within about three feet from it (within its barrier) to be able to access it. The only exception is vaguely hinted at, is access for the one. almost as if they would be drawn to it, as it would "judge" whether they were "righteous" or not.