Shards of the Illuminati

Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by rememberence

 

Actually wait no.

A security system like a motor vehicle? You're talking about something which has the ability to judge whether or not something is good or evil.

No just intent. Even people can tell when pepole have bad intent. typically the preamble to violence is a good indicator. If it is preprogrammed with (I'll have to generalize) a sort of telepathic sensors, it has preprogrammed security responses. It is no smarter than a smart weapon. Capable of working from a long list of possibilities.

Something which requires a baseline moral compass at all to even comprehend, as well as a hardwired understanding of the meaning of good or evil.

If someone consciously plans to use it for nefarious purposes that doesn't require a moral compass, just logic.

Nevermind the fact that it can also apparently judge the degree to which someone is worthy or unworthy, based upon whether or not it just deletes someone's mind or deletes /them/.

You're taking what was said out of context. It is capable of distinguishing a person's intent and it is also surmised that it is capable or reviewing memories, together gives a fairly accurate picture of what they are likely to do.

This is not a security system like a motor vehicle, sir, it is alive. It is sentient.

Not to offend, but I have actually spent a great deal of time around it, far more than Maban, and in all likelihood far more than yourself; that is unless you're holding aback on me. It is semi-sentient, as are most modern automobiles. Just because a car can talk, give directions, automatically self diagnostic, and predict a possible impact: that does not make it fully sentient, and certainly not alive.

It /knows/.

It is just reacting to its environment according to it's programming. It's essentially a glorified server: just with a highly sophisticated IFF system and a state of the art access denial capability. I have yet to see it carry on a conversation, or otherwise show a self-conscious.

"It also could read a man's heart and soul; if you wish to call it that. Knowing if he could be trusted."

A glorified server, sir?

reply to post by rememberence

"It also could read a man's heart and soul; if you wish to call it that. Knowing if he could be trusted."

A glorified server, sir?

Maban's words, not mine.

Maban was a passing scholar in regards to the Lumen ab Verum.
I on the other hand spent a great deal of time with it in an attempt to match it's events to modern events and to discern some underlying clues as to enemy movements to give our Illuminon Commandos an edge. Maban often talked in spiritual overtones, I prefer the bluntness of fact. Whatever whimsical mystical object history and Maban have made it out to be, it is simply a highly advanced piece of technology which has been called "magical" for thousands of years. Only more recent generations have discovered the truth.

Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by rememberence

 

"It also could read a man's heart and soul; if you wish to call it that. Knowing if he could be trusted."

A glorified server, sir?

Maban's words, not mine.

Maban was a passing scholar in regards to the Lumen ab Verum.
I on the other hand spent a great deal of time with it in an attempt to match it's events to modern events and to discern some underlying clues as to enemy movements to give our Illuminon Commandos an edge. Maban often talked in spiritual overtones, I prefer the bluntness of fact. Whatever whimsical mystical object history and Maban have made it out to be, it is simply a highly advanced piece of technology which has been called "magical" for thousands of years. Only more recent generations have discovered the truth.

You deal with technology that advanced on a regular basis yet can not comprehend that a civilization that could have created it would have been able to make an AI.

You're also talking negatively about "spiritual overtones" when you're dealing with "Enlightened Ones."

I see. Thank you. I no longer trust you.

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reply to post by rememberence


I would like to ask you stop taking my words out of context. I do not speak negatively about spirituality, just Maban's interpretation: which I have made no secret that I believe it to be radicalized: although few here saw it's full extent. His spirituality is unquestionable and his duty to the shards also unwavering. I agree with him and my fellow Illuminons about the core principles and live by them every day. Furthermore, I never did nor do I now deny that such an advanced species could not have AI. I am the one after all who brought up AI. I said it had the possibility of possessing AI, but so far had not demonstrated as much. Furthermore, I know what an AI is, I work with one on a daily basis. Lastly, there is even mention of AI's being used (although it is called something different) in the Enlightened One's stead; they are referred to as

"men" born not of "men," but "men's" hands.

Again, this is from the top of my head and not a perfect quote.

Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by rememberence

 

I would like to ask you stop taking my words out of context. I do not speak negatively about spirituality, just Maban's interpretation: which I have made no secret that I believe it to be radicalized: although few here saw it's full extent. His spirituality is unquestionable and his duty to the shards also unwavering. I agree with him and my fellow Illuminons about the core principles and live by them every day. Furthermore, I never did nor do I now deny that such an advanced species could not have AI. I am the one after all who brought up AI. I said it had the possibility of possessing AI, but so far had not demonstrated as much. Furthermore, I know what an AI is, I work with one on a daily basis. Lastly, there is even mention of AI's being used (although it is called something different) in the Enlightened One's stead; they are referred to as

"men" born not of "men," but "men's" hands.

Again, this is from the top of my head and not a perfect quote.

Is it supposed to "talk/communicate/transfer information" with everyone or just the one person?

reply to post by rememberence

Is it supposed to "talk/communicate/transfer information" with everyone or just the one person?

Neither and both. The Lumen ab Verum can transfer some data via genetic inscription to those whom are able to pass it's security field. Whomever can pass this field is determined by an unknown number of factors; good will, intent- appears to be some of them.

If you mean with just The One, then no it can with many people and not just him/her. However, it won't work for just anyone.

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Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by Kaleon

 

4.) Do you think you can disclose to us a little bit more of what the Lumen ab Verum says about "The One"?

I just ask because I have some suspicions about who this person might be and how he will rise and I want to find out if your "records" speak about that person.

So do you think you can tell us a little bit more about this individuals origins, how he will rise, and why you think he might be an enlightened one or else why not?

This is where the internal divide exists, honestly we can only guess, an educated one at that, but still just a good guess.

Does the lumen ab verum also speak about other "minor" individuals (or another "minor" individual) who will also rise someday in the future, or maybe even about someone greater than "the one".

No, just one.

Is "the one" the same person maban mentioned earlier, whom he has allegedly found and who speaks as if he were a member of the shards although he may not even know about you and who would become an obstacle against darkness in the next few years? Is this Mabans personal interpretation/identification of "the one" or did he speak about a totaly different individual?

Same individual, although I have my reservations about this person in particular. Although Maban was a radicalist, he had an uncanny tendency of being right. I honestly don't know. But, personally I believe that one person internally will rise and we will support him; at least I will. Basically, we will know him when we see him; ideally.

Will you explain your answer in relation to this post, please, sir.

Mayhap I should have clarified. Would it do that to it's full extent to anyone else?

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reply to post by rememberence

Will you explain your answer in relation to this post, please, sir.

Mayhap I should have clarified. Would it do that to it's full extent to anyone else?

Well we don't know what will happen when it comes into contact with the one. Others typically can access it or not. As for its full range of capabilities; no one can say for sure what its capable of.

Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by rememberence

 

Will you explain your answer in relation to this post, please, sir.

Mayhap I should have clarified. Would it do that to it's full extent to anyone else?

Well we don't know what will happen when it comes into contact with the one. Others typically can access it or not. As for its full range of capabilities; no one can say for sure what its capable of.

I need to "talk" to your "glorified server," sir.

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May I inquire as to why?
Or would you prefer we hold this conversation by U2U?

Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by rememberence

 

May I inquire as to why?
Or would you prefer we hold this conversation by U2U?

No, let me answer more honestly.

Because as much as it terrifies me I can only draw the conclusion that I can interface with it.

And I am willing to risk my memory or life because of that.

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reply to post by rememberence


What signs are these?

I feel the need to also add that having access to the Lumen ab Verum precludes one to knowing the Three Truths. Carrying this burden alone means at least three years of training and conditioning. That aside I do not know the present location of the Lumen ab Verum. To do so would take 12-16 months, and probably a week's travel to get to it.

reply to post by rememberence

I can only draw the conclusion that I can interface with it.

Okay, based on what?

And was your "No" in reference to an explanation, or moving this conversation to U2U's? I have some assessments I need to complete, so I will return later. For the time being, be as specific as you can in both your questions and details in response; it helps me to better understand what you need and are talking about, so my responses are better directed at what you are looking for.

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Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by rememberence

 

I can only draw the conclusion that I can interface with it.

Okay, based on what?

And was your "No" in reference to an explanation, or moving this conversation to U2U's?

My no was in reference to my previous comment that I edited out. As I said I wanted to answer more honestly.

Three (or maybe four nights ago now) as I said, everything snapped together in my mind. I knew instantly I needed to talk to Maban, I knew he had information I needed.

After first posting the lumen thing immediately caught my intention. I knew it was important. Even before hearing the explanations about anything I knew it was important.

I knew I needed to "talk" to it.

As the best way I can explain the way my mind works is that I feel rather like a "Human AI."

Also, looking at the posts themselves from when I first came back.

As well - it exists. And I /know/ this. I know that somewhere on this planet is a hyper-intelligent "glorified server" that I need to talk to.

reply to post by rememberence


Well before I go, I will say that you can't "talk" to it. It's a sort of holographic interface, so unless you have a subspace transmitter or something similar attached to your brain, I really don't know how well that will work. You also have to understand that we just can't let anyone have access to it, especially on their word. Simply put, If you are the one (and I'm not saying that you are or aren't) then we'll find you; you don't need to find us.

Originally posted by Kvasir
With the same token, others should not push for full disclosure; especially if the poster does not wish to disclose what was a personal conversation. We should not allow peer pressure and group-think tendencies to control our actions. Only we should control our individual actions, either in alignment with or at the cost of public opinion based off of our sole wishes.

Most importantly, Maban was quite careful to make sure none of what he disclosed in U2U could be used to locate or identify any Illuminons. I only asked him if I could share the U2U information with my girlfriend but he himself generalized that to be anyone at my discretion. Anything I have put on this thread (always with attribution) was hardly much of a leap from what anyone might already suspect.

Of course, there are parts that are a more of a personal conversation that will never see the light of day on any thread. Perhaps I'd share it in a U2U with another but not in the open.

Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by rememberence

 

Well before I go, I will say that you can't "talk" to it. It's a sort of holographic interface, so unless you have a subspace transmitter or something similar attached to your brain, I really don't know how well that will work. You also have to understand that we just can't let anyone have access to it, especially on their word. Simply put, If you are the one (and I'm not saying that you are or aren't) then we'll find you; you don't need to find us.

Keep in mind that you yourself and Maban both admit that you do not know the full extent of its capabilities. If you can "talk" to it, it is certainly not in the likeness of typical conversation.

Given that it simply will not allow one to have immediate knowledge of it whom it does not deem worthy, where is the danger? The Lumen ab Verum seems to be more than capable of taking care of itself. Clearly no human poses a threat to it.

Put it on a pedestal in Central Park as some new sculpture and the only threat is pigeon poop. I mean, it wouldn't kill innocent pigeons, right?

As to what humans would do if it activated and was clearly more than a mere sculpture, that might actually be rather amusing. I kid. Truely I'm not that dark a character as I think the biggest threat to humanity is humanity and the LaV out in the open would only exacerbate that.

Hello Kvasir

I have a quiestion for you.

1. Why did Icelandic Shards leave Iceland?

2. Was it something about what was happening there?

3. Is there any specific reason why Iceland was choosen in the beginning of the Shards?

4. Are you Icelandic?

reply to post by nordurland

Hello Kvasir

I have a quiestion for you.

1. Why did Icelandic Shards leave Iceland?

Quite simply it wasn't safe there. Because of the geographic "smallness" of the island, simply moving such a well established installation proved futile and costly, when it would simply be fore reasonable to establish a new facility elsewhere in the world where access was easier and knowledge of it's existence was more restricted.

2. Was it something about what was happening there?

Partially, but mostly because the location of the facility had been compromised.

3. Is there any specific reason why Iceland was chosen in the beginning of the Shards?

It was a bit like Switzerland at the time. Few cared about it (no offense). It didn't take sides, and was too small to worry any superpowers. In addition no one really cared who came or went, so facilitating conferences and summits were decently easy. There is a more historical rational which echos back from WWII when we were concerned that the Nazi's might find Alanis; but those concerns subsided after further consultation of the Lumen ab Verum.

4. Are you Icelandic?

No, sorry.I spent a great deal of time there however working with the Director and the Lumen ab Verum.

Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by nordurland

 

Hello Kvasir

I have a quiestion for you.

1. Why did Icelandic Shards leave Iceland?

Quite simply it wasn't safe there. Because of the geographic "smallness" of the island, simply moving such a well established installation proved futile and costly, when it would simply be fore reasonable to establish a new facility elsewhere in the world where access was easier and knowledge of it's existence was more restricted.

2. Was it something about what was happening there?

Partially, but mostly because the location of the facility had been compromised.

3. Is there any specific reason why Iceland was chosen in the beginning of the Shards?

It was a bit like Switzerland at the time. Few cared about it (no offense). It didn't take sides, and was too small to worry any superpowers. In addition no one really cared who came or went, so facilitating conferences and summits were decently easy. There is a more historical rational which echos back from WWII when we were concerned that the Nazi's might find Alanis; but those concerns subsided after further consultation of the Lumen ab Verum.

4. Are you Icelandic?

No, sorry.I spent a great deal of time there however working with the Director and the Lumen ab Verum.

Thank you Kvasir.