Shards of the Illuminati

[edit on 5/12/09 by emsed1]

Originally posted by rememberence
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

Everything is balanced in threes. Grr...this is hard to explain.

Like a balanced scale, loosely speaking? One great force on one side, another opposing and equal force on the opposite side and a mere fly in the center can tip it either way?

Choas ascribes no rules. No laws. There is no good, there is no evil. There is nothing but chaos. Utter pure chaos.

There is no balance.


What could happen is: I don't know. Even I can't calculate Chaos.

You've ascribed an attribute to it by even saying that. No rules is still a rule.

However - with the knowledge of a previous civilization that's encountered it? I can anticipate it.

Is this a localized phenomenon or universe-wide? How will simply anticipating it prevent it?

reply to post by EnlightenUp


I'm sorry I have to go right now.

reply to post by emsed1


It may be dark 'stuff' but that isn't bothering me at all. It sounds about right.

One thing I want to know is, is this a deliberate act upon us from somewhere/someone, perhaps because we've become too depraved and dangerous lest we ever get out and become a pandemic of the universe?

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
reply to post by emsed1

 

It may be dark 'stuff' but that isn't bothering me at all. It sounds about right.

One thing I want to know is, is this a deliberate act upon us from somewhere/someone, perhaps because we've become too depraved and dangerous lest we ever get out and become a pandemic of the universe?

I've never felt that. I've felt that it's looked on with sorrow but that's about it.

This feels more like just...Chaos. A psuedo-alive manifestation of chaos locked within balance.

"You've ascribed an attribute to it by even saying that. No rules is still a rule. "

Which is why I have a chance.

Edit:

Also - I think I prefer being bored.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by rememberence]

Originally posted by rememberence
Also - I think I prefer being bored.

Ok, be bored. Sounds good. There are times I feel like we deserve it anyway and being should be undone, even the potential for it. That is, if I feel like exploring that ground.

reply to post by rememberence


I'm truly beginning to understand Maban's frustration. It appears that over the course of two pages, nothing was really accomplished; atop my statement being seriously misinterpreted, twisted, and turned into something I don't even understand anymore.

Lets start over; rememberence:

To be specific, nothing; I repeat again nothing is being predicted, assumed, calculated, quantified, etc... etc... etc...

Everything that appears in the Lumen ab Verum is in past tense, and past tense only. We are careful in our action because the inevitable "bright" outcome may change if the events that have yet to unfold change or do not occur.

As for your whole think about knowing something: I don't get it, I don't know if I want to. But I will try to help. I can't just grant you access to the Lumen ab Verum: that just plainly isn't going to happen: end of discussion. However if you could more clearly explain your question(s) I might be able to answer them.

Also the Universe does come in threes; since you are so fond of Chaos and Order allow me to place it into those terms. Order is to light, as Chaos is to dark, simple change (a state where chaos and order do not wholly exist) is the neutral or gray area. Given that the origins of the Lumen ab Verum have somehow become semi-public knowledge: it is unlikely that a civilization so far advanced and removed from our own understanding, gives us any leeway with interpretation or even merit to our own theories. It is comparable to a caveman arguing with a particle physicist that the sun is not a ball of burning gas undergoing fusion, but is instead a great pearl within the clam shell that is the universe which opens and closes creating day and night. I'm not attempting to alienate or belittle, just to place things into proper perspective.

reply to post by KilgoreTrout

And then there is the small matter of Kvasir's admitted specialism in Counter Intelligence...hmmm...a professional practitioner of deflection and disinformation...I have nothing more than that to say about that.

I honestly take offense to this. Next time you have any such suspicion, please feel free to ask for clarification. I am not a "professional practitioner of deflection and disinformation" traditionally we prevent our enemies from gathering and collecting information about us and provide security measures for our people, our organization, and our operations.

Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by rememberence

 

Semi-sentient AI. Why semi? *Thinks.* This is important.

Well it's aware of its surroundings, but hasn't demonstrated any higher level of sophistication; but it could we just don't know.

"A device however was left behind the Eye of Ra' a device which is currently known as the lumen ab verum. The lumen ab verum is also a recorder, "seeing all" it watches humanity en whole and either transmits or stores data, presumably if humanity is ready or not for full involvement with the species of the universe."

It does.

"The benefit is, even we now do not know its full power, or where it is hidden, and those entrusted with its keep will remain by its side, and will not make contact with the outside world...It also could read a man's heart and soul; if you wish to call it that. Knowing if he could be trusted. If so, it [would] display a magnificent light show of yellow wisps using what can only be described as holographic technology. If not, they were usually rendered unconscious gently and their memory expunged of it and us completely."


"Furthermore if one attempts to forcefully take it for their own deeds it is capable of both repelling, controlling, and barricading one from even touching it, capable of defending itself."

"I had only realized this stark revelation; the breadth of its power after the assault. Several Remnant troops had tried to take it, none were successful. Those whom were not sent mad, killing one another, were reduced to red smudges on the walls, it apparently possessing some sort of EM or gravometric ability."

reply to post by rememberence


Is this a question, or are you thinking out loud?

Originally posted by rememberence

Originally posted by Cadbury

Originally posted by rememberence
Nothing really. I'm bored and have to talk to his robot thing.

I'm sorry, Sir, but... what?

The lumen whatever. It's sentient. I need to talk to it to figure out what it knows.

To all ATS Members whom received private communications from Maban or Tenzin:

The Reformed Illuminon Council respectfully requests that any and all private communications between yourself and either Maban or Tenzin are withheld from the public domain for internal security reasons. It has recently been brought to my attention that Maban violated internal security protocol and policy in the dissemination of classified material and information. I ask all to aid us in this effort not out of reasons of security but for reasons of personal safety for our members and the continued denial of intelligence accessible to enemies of humanity. For all those whom aid us you have our thanks in advance for what I know is a personal sacrifice for the greater good.

Thank You,
Kvasir & The Reformed Illuminon Council


[edit on 12-5-2009 by Kvasir]

reply to post by rememberence


You can't talk to it. It doesn't speak. It is like a library of information and events. At most it has a security system like a motor vehicle. Whenever you don't have a key and try to get in the security system activates, it's no more complex than that.

In the future, could you please just type a question. Quoting past text does me no good in assisting you unless there is important context necessary to understanding the question.

Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by rememberence

 

You can't talk to it. It doesn't speak. It is like a library of information and events. At most it has a security system like a motor vehicle. Whenever you don't have a key and try to get in the security system activates, it's no more complex than that.

In the future, could you please just type a question. Quoting past text does me no good in assisting you unless there is important context necessary to understanding the question.

Actually wait no.

A security system like a motor vehicle? You're talking about something which has the ability to judge whether or not something is good or evil.

Something which requires a baseline moral compass at all to even comprehend, as well as a hardwired understanding of the meaning of good or evil.

Nevermind the fact that it can also apparently judge the degree to which someone is worthy or unworthy, based upon whether or not it just deletes someone's mind or deletes /them/.

This is not a security system like a motor vehicle, sir, it is alive. It is sentient.

It /knows/.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by rememberence]

reply to post by Kvasir


Wow I have missed alot recently, nice to meet you. Was just popping in to greet friends of like mind, heart and spirit. Yet now the question I had in mind not to ask has been answered, hummm. lol!

Hi everyone been many pages since I last stopped in. Much happening, much changing in my rl. Mindsets mostly, lol

reply to post by Kvasir

I honestly take offense to this. Next time you have any such suspicion, please feel free to ask for clarification. I am not a "professional practitioner of deflection and disinformation" traditionally we prevent our enemies from gathering and collecting information about us and provide security measures for our people, our organization, and our operations.

If you are who you claim to be than we all welcome you and your input openly.

However, when it comes to matters such as these it is wise and prudent to be skeptical of the "gift horse."

Therefore I will leave you with this (I hope you understand).

The offense taken will have to be born by you. We have not ascertained for certain the true intentions of anyone (outside of Maban) claiming to be an Illuminon.

Healthy skepticism is no respecter of persons.

reply to post by Kvasir

The Reformed Illuminon Council respectfully requests that any and all private communications between yourself and either Maban or Tenzin are withheld from the public domain for internal security reasons.

It was the understanding by most after Maban's final posts that the u2u's were to be handled according to the best intentions of those that he intended to share them with.

Now I'd hope that anyone wishing to post such would take into consideration any material that seems to be proprietary. It really isn't that hard to discern public info from a secret.

If it is held to be secret between Maban and the recipient than it should be. But if he gave the go ahead than it is between them and their conscience. Not one of the posters on this thread (to my knowledge) have been shown to be bound by an Illuminon oath.

Originally posted by lazy1981
reply to post by Kvasir

 

The Reformed Illuminon Council respectfully requests that any and all private communications between yourself and either Maban or Tenzin are withheld from the public domain for internal security reasons.

It was the understanding by most after Maban's final posts that the u2u's were to be handled according to the best intentions of those that he intended to share them with.

Now I'd hope that anyone wishing to post such would take into consideration any material that seems to be proprietary. It really isn't that hard to discern public info from a secret.

If it is held to be secret between Maban and the recipient than it should be. But if he gave the go ahead than it is between them and their conscience. Not one of the posters on this thread (to my knowledge) have been shown to be bound by an Illuminon oath.

This is true. I do not think emsed should have deleted his post.

reply to post by rememberence

Actually wait no.

A security system like a motor vehicle? You're talking about something which has the ability to judge whether or not something is good or evil.

No just intent. Even people can tell when pepole have bad intent. typically the preamble to violence is a good indicator. If it is preprogrammed with (I'll have to generalize) a sort of telepathic sensors, it has preprogrammed security responses. It is no smarter than a smart weapon. Capable of working from a long list of possibilities.

Something which requires a baseline moral compass at all to even comprehend, as well as a hardwired understanding of the meaning of good or evil.

If someone consciously plans to use it for nefarious purposes that doesn't require a moral compass, just logic.

Nevermind the fact that it can also apparently judge the degree to which someone is worthy or unworthy, based upon whether or not it just deletes someone's mind or deletes /them/.

You're taking what was said out of context. It is capable of distinguishing a person's intent and it is also surmised that it is capable or reviewing memories, together gives a fairly accurate picture of what they are likely to do.

This is not a security system like a motor vehicle, sir, it is alive. It is sentient.

Not to offend, but I have actually spent a great deal of time around it, far more than Maban, and in all likelihood far more than yourself; that is unless you're holding aback on me. It is semi-sentient, as are most modern automobiles. Just because a car can talk, give directions, automatically self diagnostic, and predict a possible impact: that does not make it fully sentient, and certainly not alive.

It /knows/.

It is just reacting to its environment according to it's programming. It's essentially a glorified server: just with a highly sophisticated IFF system and a state of the art access denial capability. I have yet to see it carry on a conversation, or otherwise show a self-conscious.

reply to post by rememberence

This is true. I do not think emsed should have deleted his post.

With the same token, others should not push for full disclosure; especially if the poster does not wish to disclose what was a personal conversation. We should not allow peer pressure and group-think tendencies to control our actions. Only we should control our individual actions, either in alignment with or at the cost of public opinion based off of our sole wishes.