Shards of the Illuminati

Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
In short, Maban had said that unless a person possessed specific initial RNA sequences, use of the Lumen ab Verum for resequencing was not possible.

That is kind of true. Unless the Lumen ab Verum has resequenced your DNA, it's impossible to access certain "features" of it; otherwise you can still use it, just not to the full extent.

Perhaps I misunderstood Maban. Later I believe he mentioned "purity of heart" as a key to even get near the thing.

Maban had a tendency of jumping the gun, so I would blame him and not you. After all it was his "crazy" idea to start this thread. As for "Purity of Heart," well I'm flattered he quoted me. Purity of Heart is the true access key as it were. Unless you are generally a good person, with good intentions it will let you close to it; if not its self defense systems activate. Its abilities range from a simplistic cloaking like-field, to memory engram reconstitution, to a yellowish plasma (force field), to an all out vaporization of anything and everything nearby. Like the Enlightened Ones, it only uses force when it has no other recourse.

In other words, could it cause or contribute to a widespread consciousness shift in certain individuals?

As far as we have experienced you have to be within about three feet from it (within its barrier) to be able to access it. The only exception is vaguely hinted at, is access for the one. almost as if they would be drawn to it, as it would "judge" whether they were "righteous" or not.

*Sighs.* Maban wasn't crazy to start this thread.

reply to post by emsed1

Originally posted by emsed1
More clues: The background that appeared on Maban's mini-profile a few months back is a representation of how the "Enlightened Ones" structure their technology. I don't know what that means. It was a rendering Maban made that perhaps has meaning in this context.

Everything appears in threes, three states of being: good, evil, neutral, three pillars of light (three legs to the Lumen ab Verum)

Kvasir - Can you tell us about your life history? When did you find out and how did you learn of your destiny? Is it passed down genetically?

Well in short, I am not one to talk much about myself. I was born and raised within the Shards. We moved around allot because my father was a part of a special security detachment. Eventually when I came of age I started taking a more active role in the Shards. Many people think of my childhood as weird or unusual having been spent in the Shards for so long, but in truth it's just like a community or neighborhood. We may not talk about it, but we aren't so different from everyone else. After acting a a linchpin between the Icelandic Council and Security Detachments I became the deputy director of Counterintelligence. About six years ago when the then director stepped down and entered a sort of Illuminon retirement (more like a change of post) I took on the Director position. Since then I have handled counterintelligence. These days OPSEC is less of an issue as is PERSEC. But for the time being we operate as small cellular units which are constantly in motion to avoid detection.



[edit on 11-5-2009 by Kvasir]

reply to post by rememberence

I need to talk to someone. But I only know of and trust Maban. I do not know how to appropriately resolve this situation.

Perhaps I can help?

reply to post by rememberence

Semi-sentient AI. Why semi? *Thinks.* This is important.

Well it's aware of its surroundings, but hasn't demonstrated any higher level of sophistication; but it could we just don't know.

reply to post by rememberence

*Sighs.* Maban wasn't crazy to start this thread.

Well he gave us "believers" a bad name.
He tried to do too much too fast, and because of it Illuminon cohesion suffered.
You didn't know him like I did. Forgive me, I do not wish to speak ill of the dead, but I also do not want him paraded as some saint or prophet. No Illuminon should have to be remembered that way.

[edit on 11-5-2009 by Kvasir]

He was right to start this thread.

And yes you can help me.

I need to know more about the lumon thing.

Hi kvasir
Would it be possible to elaborate on the nature of your antagonists and in particular their agenda?

Originally posted by Kvasir
reply to post by Kaleon

 

Honestly, I can't been begin to even understand your questions, let alone provide accurate answers. My specialty has always been in the fundamental operations of the Shards, not its history or spiritual undertones. I am more of a practical person than a highly inquisitive person. Rather, I should say my interests lye elsewhere, and rather than looking everywhere, I excel at narrowing my search. My specialty lies in counterintelligence.

Ok, I'm sorry, I somehow expected you would be totaly familiar with the whole thread.
Further I have the bad habit of making too long and too complicated sentences. And I'm not a native speaker so sometimes its a little bit hard for me to formulate my sentences.

I asked my first question about the different artifacts, because after Mabans absence, people here had started to wonder if the lumen ab verum might be mentioned in the legends of other religions. Some interesting articles about certain mystic items were discussed and an interesting documentary about the holy grail and other similar artifacts was posted ("The Eye of the Phoenix: Secrets of the One Dollar Bill"). This documentary discusses many legends and artifacts that might actually have a connection to the grail. And because I thought that the grail and the lumen ab verum might actually be the same artifact (I think Maban said something along these lines, but I can't remember exactly), I hoped you would be able to clarify if such connections really exist.

My second question about a possible connection between Osiris and the lumen ab verum, also was a reference to a previous answer from Maban. But as it seems, you are not so much familiar with this kind of ancient mythology and I understand that.
But sadly I will not get an answer for such questions from you .

At least my third question about the look of the lumen ab verum was answered satisfactory. After reading different articles about the grail and other such artifacts I really wondered how that thing might look like (also thinking the grail and the lumen ab verum would be the same item). Unfortunately I was completely wrong with my guesses and the true answer was right before my eyes .

And concerning my fourth question, I'm also afraid that your answer didn't help me so much further (but at least a little bit). I asked about "the One" because I have a suspicion to whom your prophecies might point to. But as it seems, you are not willing to disclose more of your prophecies, so I can't figure out if your prophecies really speak of him.

Nevertheless, thank you for trying to answer.

Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by rememberence

 

You have these thoughts and dreams because you choose (whether consciously or unconsciously) to try and understand the bigger picture of existence.

There is much 'out there' but there is also much within ourselves that is undiscovered.

The key is that these truths and indeed 'illumination' are intended for humanity as a whole. Individual pursuit for self-gratification is a limited path, and while it may lead to satisfaction, until we learn as a race to apply those truths and grow together we are doomed to extinction.

I think the more you explore and comprehend your dreams you will discover that ultimately the 'self' doesn't matter. When you choose to apply these truths to your fellow man the anxiety of 'self' passes away and a higher level of understanding ensues.

In the end analysis it is not enough to passively await the revelation of truth; You must purposefully say, "I CHOOSE to find the truth. I CHOOSE apply the lessons I learn actively, every day, and for my fellow man without regard for thanks or self-gratification. I CHOOSE to take these dreams and thoughts to help all of humanity realize enlightenment."

Anyway, that's my take on the whole deal. Hopefully it's not too vague.

This is from forever ago but needs to be said: Thank you.

Let me do a little custodial work here so we are all on the same page.

'Remembrance' came to this thread seeking answers from Maban very shortly before he left for his final operation.

I was not able to discuss the nature of their communications with Maban, but I do know that there were certain 'markers' that attracted Maban's attention regarding 'Rememberence', especially his prophetic dreams and abilities.

Unfortunately Maban left us and there were many unanswered questions.

Kvasir and Rememberence - I believe it is very important that you two discuss things privately. I can facilitate this if needed. I would recommend that you interact in real-time outside ATS via an encrypted connection.

Much like EU and others I had hoped you would appear today and I am glad you did.

Remembrance - Kvasir is who he says he is. He does not always agree with the way Maban operated but he is also in possession of the information you need and you have information he needs as well.

You two need to talk. Soon.

Originally posted by emsed1
Let me do a little custodial work here so we are all on the same page.

'Remembrance' came to this thread seeking answers from Maban very shortly before he left for his final operation.

I was not able to discuss the nature of their communications with Maban, but I do know that there were certain 'markers' that attracted Maban's attention regarding 'Rememberence', especially his prophetic dreams and abilities.

Unfortunately Maban left us and there were many unanswered questions.

Kvasir and Rememberence - I believe it is very important that you two discuss things privately. I can facilitate this if needed. I would recommend that you interact in real-time outside ATS via an encrypted connection.

Much like EU and others I had hoped you would appear today and I am glad you did.

Remembrance - Kvasir is who he says he is. He does not always agree with the way Maban operated but he is also in possession of the information you need and you have information he needs as well.

You two need to talk. Soon.

I know.

*Pause, head tilt.* Why today?

[edit on 11-5-2009 by rememberence]

Because I posted this last night:

The One

Originally posted by emsed1
Because I posted this last night:

The One

*Faint, wry grin.* Yes I noticed that right after I'd posted/came back.

[edit on 11-5-2009 by rememberence]

Originally posted by emsed1
Remembrance - Kvasir is who he says he is. He does not always agree with the way Maban operated but he is also in possession of the information you need and you have information he needs as well.

Out of curiousity, how has Kvasir been able to confirm to your satisfaction that they are who they say they are? I don't require specifics but I presume from your wording that Kvasir has in some way allayed any fears that you may or may not have had. You seem pretty certain, I was wondering why...

...and since you are seemingly implying that remembrance may have some knowledge of 'The One' or thereabouts, it would be based on your assurance, someone who knew Maban more intimately than others on this thread did, that would encourage remembrance to divulge information to Kvasir. I worry about lambs being led to slaughter, and would personally wish to be very sure I knew Kvasir was who they said they were before I gave such a recommendation...

...And then there is the small matter of Kvasir's admitted specialism in Counter Intelligence...hmmm...a professional practitioner of deflection and disinformation...I have nothing more than that to say about that.

I'm not specifically trying to cast aspertions, simply checking that everyone concerned is exercising their common sense.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout

Originally posted by emsed1
Remembrance - Kvasir is who he says he is. He does not always agree with the way Maban operated but he is also in possession of the information you need and you have information he needs as well.

Out of curiousity, how has Kvasir been able to confirm to your satisfaction that they are who they say they are? I don't require specifics but I presume from your wording that Kvasir has in some way allayed any fears that you may or may not have had. You seem pretty certain, I was wondering why...

...and since you are seemingly implying that remembrance may have some knowledge of 'The One' or thereabouts, it would be based on your assurance, someone who knew Maban more intimately than others on this thread did, that would encourage remembrance to divulge information to Kvasir. I worry about lambs being led to slaughter, and would personally wish to be very sure I knew Kvasir was who they said they were before I gave such a recommendation...

...And then there is the small matter of Kvasir's admitted specialism in Counter Intelligence...hmmm...a professional practitioner of deflection and disinformation...I have nothing more than that to say about that.

I'm not specifically trying to cast aspertions, simply checking that everyone concerned is exercising their common sense.

I believe Kvasir is who he claims to be.

Originally posted by rememberence
I believe Kvasir is who he claims to be.

I am sure you do, but belief was not what I was looking for here, I was seeking something a little more quantifiable. I know that emsed1 had spoken to Maban away from this thread and therefore wondered whether he had been able to establish Kvasir's affiliation to Maban. As far as I can tell Kvasir made no such claim until the assumption was made, if indeed it was an assumption. Which is what I was seeking to clarify...

reply to post by KilgoreTrout



*Head tilt.* Without delving too deeply into the various factors which lead me to my conclusion, I believe him because he feels like Maban. And I am, unfortunately, not insane.

Originally posted by rememberence
reply to post by KilgoreTrout

 

*Head tilt.* Without delving too deeply into the various factors which lead me to my conclusion, I believe him because he feels like Maban. And I am, unfortunately, not insane.

Your beliefs are no business of mine and I require no further confirmation of them, though your efforts to do so are appreciated. My questions really can only be answered by emsed1 and possibly EnlightenUp as they seem to be somewhat assured of Kvasir's affiliation to Maban. That is my only curiousity in the matter.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
I know that emsed1 had spoken to Maban away from this thread and therefore wondered whether he had been able to establish Kvasir's affiliation to Maban.

I had spoken to both Maban and Emsed1 extensively in encrypted IM communications and no such establishment was ever made at that time, to the very best of my knowledge. I have no idea who Kvasir is, but he sounds an awful lot like someone I once knew...

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout

Out of curiousity, how has Kvasir been able to confirm to your satisfaction that they are who they say they are? I don't require specifics but I presume from your wording that Kvasir has in some way allayed any fears that you may or may not have had. You seem pretty certain, I was wondering why...

I am satisfied that Kvasir's is who he claims to be. I don't know who he is though, if that makes any sense.

The only two-way communication I have had with Kvasir is in this thread. We have not spoken privately.

I would not say there was fear but hesitation. There were three pieces of information I needed before I could be certain. One piece I obtained immediately after his arrival on the thread. The second was intuitive in nature. It was ultimately confirmed but it took a couple of hard days and concentration. The third and final piece was in an answer he gave someone else on the board. An item that could not be known unless he was an Illuminon.

...and since you are seemingly implying that remembrance may have some knowledge of 'The One' or thereabouts, it would be based on your assurance, someone who knew Maban more intimately than others on this thread did, that would encourage remembrance to divulge information to Kvasir. I worry about lambs being led to slaughter, and would personally wish to be very sure I knew Kvasir was who they said they were before I gave such a recommendation...

Rememberence urgently needs information from Kvasir, not the other way around.

...And then there is the small matter of Kvasir's admitted specialism in Counter Intelligence...hmmm...a professional practitioner of deflection and disinformation...I have nothing more than that to say about that.

I'm not specifically trying to cast aspertions, simply checking that everyone concerned is exercising their common sense.

I didn't take it that way at all. In fact I often get tunnel-vision when I begin to let intuition guide and not rationality.

My intuition is that Kvasir is here for a specific purpose. When organizations flatten and decentralize it is necessary for individual cells to take certain initiatives.

Of course like everyone else I have a billion questions that have piled up since we last heard from Tenzin, and hopefully Kvasir can stay around long enough to help us out.